NO MUSQUIN AT MXDN

2strokerider wrote:

exactly! vlanderen is 5th in the world champs with several podiums and a race win too..dutch have a very formidable team this year. agree 100% they...

exactly! vlanderen is 5th in the world champs with several podiums and a race win too..dutch have a very formidable team this year. agree 100% they put glen in mx3 they have a great shot at the win this year

mwr wrote:

Wait, if Marv really has US citizenship, he should be on team USA. ET+MM+whoever, maybe let Barcia ride the 250 with AP as an alternate.

RG1 wrote:

Cannot believe how many people are saying this :laugh: No chance would I want Musquin on Team GB if the circumstances were the same, he's French...

Cannot believe how many people are saying this

No chance would I want Musquin on Team GB if the circumstances were the same, he's French. He didn't go to the USA until he was 24.

mwr wrote:

But enough about you. How old was DeCoster before he started managing Team USA? It seems a shame that a guy who is better than 95%...

But enough about you. How old was DeCoster before he started managing Team USA? It seems a shame that a guy who is better than 95% of the competitors won't be one.

RG1 wrote:

That's not the same. DeCoster is only picking the team, he isn't competing. There's lots of teams in international football that have foreign managers, but all...

That's not the same. DeCoster is only picking the team, he isn't competing. There's lots of teams in international football that have foreign managers, but all the players are always from that nation. It's crazy to me that you would be happy with winning with a foreign rider on the team. That wouldn't sit well with me at all

RG1 wrote:

That's not the same. DeCoster is only picking the team, he isn't competing. There's lots of teams in international football that have foreign managers, but all...

That's not the same. DeCoster is only picking the team, he isn't competing. There's lots of teams in international football that have foreign managers, but all the players are always from that nation. It's crazy to me that you would be happy with winning with a foreign rider on the team. That wouldn't sit well with me at all

DoubleA wrote:

I would rather have someone who can only get 20th at maxxis than have someone from another country represent us.

RG1 wrote:

That's not the same. DeCoster is only picking the team, he isn't competing. There's lots of teams in international football that have foreign managers, but all...

That's not the same. DeCoster is only picking the team, he isn't competing. There's lots of teams in international football that have foreign managers, but all the players are always from that nation. It's crazy to me that you would be happy with winning with a foreign rider on the team. That wouldn't sit well with me at all

DoubleA wrote:

I would rather have someone who can only get 20th at maxxis than have someone from another country represent us.

DonM wrote:

Wasn't Rob Herring born in SA and represent you guys in the 94 MXDN?? hmmmm.....

2strokerider wrote:

exactly! vlanderen is 5th in the world champs with several podiums and a race win too..dutch have a very formidable team this year. agree 100% they...

exactly! vlanderen is 5th in the world champs with several podiums and a race win too..dutch have a very formidable team this year. agree 100% they put glen in mx3 they have a great shot at the win this year

alex69 wrote:

No on MX1, Herlings on open. MX1 has a longer break between the races and Coldenhof need that, it's a team effort not a contest who...

No on MX1, Herlings on open.
MX1 has a longer break between the races and Coldenhof need that, it's a team effort not a contest who has the longest dick.
Last year Coldenhof had are very good start in the first moto, but get past by 8 or 9 riders inclouding 3 mx2 guys very disappointed , he's musta fight more for his position if the Dutch want have change for the first place.

2strokerider wrote:

exactly! vlanderen is 5th in the world champs with several podiums and a race win too..dutch have a very formidable team this year. agree 100% they...

exactly! vlanderen is 5th in the world champs with several podiums and a race win too..dutch have a very formidable team this year. agree 100% they put glen in mx3 they have a great shot at the win this year

alex69 wrote:

No on MX1, Herlings on open. MX1 has a longer break between the races and Coldenhof need that, it's a team effort not a contest who...

No on MX1, Herlings on open.
MX1 has a longer break between the races and Coldenhof need that, it's a team effort not a contest who has the longest dick.
Last year Coldenhof had are very good start in the first moto, but get past by 8 or 9 riders inclouding 3 mx2 guys very disappointed , he's musta fight more for his position if the Dutch want have change for the first place.

TDeath21 wrote:

But that cost them the championship in 2016. I’d want Herlings going head to head with the best both motos in order to take as many...

But that cost them the championship in 2016. I’d want Herlings going head to head with the best both motos in order to take as many points away from them as possible.

2strokerider wrote:

coldenhoff has been on great form this year. finished 4th at trentino (hardpack) how is he only dangerous on hardpack? he wont beat jeffrey or Eli...

coldenhoff has been on great form this year. finished 4th at trentino (hardpack) how is he only dangerous on hardpack? he wont beat jeffrey or Eli but should have most of the others covered

Park Boys wrote:

On paper and paper only, you would think he is not touching Eli, Herlings, AC and Roczen. Most likely Barcia, Febvre, DeSalle, JVH beat him and...

On paper and paper only, you would think he is not touching Eli, Herlings, AC and Roczen. Most likely Barcia, Febvre, DeSalle, JVH beat him and im proabably missing a couple others. On paper only of course. I would not he surprised at all if AP or Garcia beat him as well on 250s.

2strokerider wrote:

do you even watch gps?! glen has been in the pack of riders behind cairoli and herlings most of the season. those 2 are next level...

do you even watch gps?! glen has been in the pack of riders behind cairoli and herlings most of the season. those 2 are next level much like roczen and tomac in the ama (and Marvin but hes not been selected) but the riders from 3rd to 10th have been very evenly matched. its not like the ama where the level drops off so quickly. coldenhoff gets great starts so should be top 5-8 easily at the nations. bear in mind alot of the gp riders won't be there.. with herlings most likely going 1-1 at red bud. a consistent coldenhoff and a good result from vlanderen they will be contenders for sure. Calvin is on great form lately too

alex69 wrote:

No on MX1, Herlings on open. MX1 has a longer break between the races and Coldenhof need that, it's a team effort not a contest who...

No on MX1, Herlings on open.
MX1 has a longer break between the races and Coldenhof need that, it's a team effort not a contest who has the longest dick.
Last year Coldenhof had are very good start in the first moto, but get past by 8 or 9 riders inclouding 3 mx2 guys very disappointed , he's musta fight more for his position if the Dutch want have change for the first place.

TDeath21 wrote:

But that cost them the championship in 2016. I’d want Herlings going head to head with the best both motos in order to take as many...

But that cost them the championship in 2016. I’d want Herlings going head to head with the best both motos in order to take as many points away from them as possible.

alex69 wrote:

It make no difference if Herlings is in the open or MX1, in 16 he was 2-1. Herlings is the strongest of the 3 so he...

It make no difference if Herlings is in the open or MX1, in 16 he was 2-1.
Herlings is the strongest of the 3 so he has the greatest change to go 1-1.
Everybody race at least once eachother, like I said it's a team effort the total results counts.
I think MX1-MX2 Tomac or maybe Cairoli wins, MX open-MX2 Herlings.
And than we have the big final MX1-MX open.
Personally I think the USA is gonna win, because home track advantage and in the depth the strongest team.

RG1 wrote:

That's not the same. DeCoster is only picking the team, he isn't competing. There's lots of teams in international football that have foreign managers, but all...

That's not the same. DeCoster is only picking the team, he isn't competing. There's lots of teams in international football that have foreign managers, but all the players are always from that nation. It's crazy to me that you would be happy with winning with a foreign rider on the team. That wouldn't sit well with me at all

MX/SX Fan wrote:

I am a big Tomac fan and I feel really bad for Musquin. This has got to be one of his hardest years! He seems like...

I am a big Tomac fan and I feel really bad for Musquin. This has got to be one of his hardest years! He seems like a genuinely nice guy who works as hard as anyone and is top 5 guy in the world.

The Dutch team scares me as much as the French. Herlings could go 1-1. Coldenhoff could have a good weekend like this past weekend and they just need one good moto from Vlaanderen

Jt$ wrote:

The Dutch are good, I just don't see it happening, though. Coldenhoff is only dangerous in deep sand like Lommel and Red Bud is definitely not...

The Dutch are good, I just don't see it happening, though. Coldenhoff is only dangerous in deep sand like Lommel and Red Bud is definitely not that. Otherwise, he has been less than stellar this year. Herlings 1-1 is certainly a bonus but I don't think it's enough to win.

2strokerider wrote:

coldenhoff has been on great form this year. finished 4th at trentino (hardpack) how is he only dangerous on hardpack? he wont beat jeffrey or Eli...

coldenhoff has been on great form this year. finished 4th at trentino (hardpack) how is he only dangerous on hardpack? he wont beat jeffrey or Eli but should have most of the others covered

Jt$ wrote:

The Dutch are good, I just don't see it happening, though. Coldenhoff is only dangerous in deep sand like Lommel and Red Bud is definitely not...

The Dutch are good, I just don't see it happening, though. Coldenhoff is only dangerous in deep sand like Lommel and Red Bud is definitely not that. Otherwise, he has been less than stellar this year. Herlings 1-1 is certainly a bonus but I don't think it's enough to win.

2strokerider wrote:

coldenhoff has been on great form this year. finished 4th at trentino (hardpack) how is he only dangerous on hardpack? he wont beat jeffrey or Eli...

coldenhoff has been on great form this year. finished 4th at trentino (hardpack) how is he only dangerous on hardpack? he wont beat jeffrey or Eli but should have most of the others covered

Jt$ wrote:

Disagree. 7th in points behind the main group. Take a hard look at his moto scores (average 8th). Not terrible but if you think he’s beating...

Disagree. 7th in points behind the main group. Take a hard look at his moto scores (average 8th). Not terrible but if you think he’s beating Tomac, Barcia, Febvre, JH84, or 222, I think you’re fooling yourself. I’ll take any bet you’d like to make with him against Barcia or Tomac at Red Bud.

2strokerider wrote:

coldenhoff has been on great form this year. finished 4th at trentino (hardpack) how is he only dangerous on hardpack? he wont beat jeffrey or Eli...

coldenhoff has been on great form this year. finished 4th at trentino (hardpack) how is he only dangerous on hardpack? he wont beat jeffrey or Eli but should have most of the others covered

Jt$ wrote:

Disagree. 7th in points behind the main group. Take a hard look at his moto scores (average 8th). Not terrible but if you think he’s beating...

Disagree. 7th in points behind the main group. Take a hard look at his moto scores (average 8th). Not terrible but if you think he’s beating Tomac, Barcia, Febvre, JH84, or 222, I think you’re fooling yourself. I’ll take any bet you’d like to make with him against Barcia or Tomac at Red Bud.

RichardLoots wrote:

but he doesnt have to beat Tomac or Cairoli , we got Herlings to beat those guys and take away points Who says Barcia beats Herlings...

but he doesnt have to beat Tomac or Cairoli , we got Herlings to beat those guys and take away points
Who says Barcia beats Herlings, Cairoli ,Febvre ,Gajser , Desalle or van Hoorebeeck to name just a few ??
as Barcia isnt anywhere near Tomac or Musquin this seaosn . He does good but dont forget all the injuries in AMA these days
Its a team effort , with a good start Glenn can go like 6th on a good day . in 2016 he was 6th and 7th and thats good as long as Herlings doesnt score more as 2 or 3 points ,
all we need is one good moto from Vlaanderen and youre on the podium .. Between 20 and 30 points is what you need to win , or at least get a podium ...
Moto's are pretty stacked these days and levels pretty even , its not like in the old days USA wins all 3 moto's and
dont forget the so called spoilers like Cairoli Gajser etc who can take away points from podium contenders .
And lets face it , you need a bit of luck too .. every year and every moto something happens and thats why the MXON is so exciting the last years as the win always gets decided in the last moto ..

for the fans , its the best scenario possible

i still think USA will win this one , but it could get close with some other teams and get decided again in last
moto .But with Musquin out of team France , i think the dutch have a better chance to get second or at least a podium

Jt$ wrote:

As my last sentence said, at Red Bud especially, I’ll take Barcia versus Coldenhoff for whatever you’d like to bet.

jorgechavez wrote:

I wouldn't sleep on the Hoff!

Jt$ wrote:

Disagree. 7th in points behind the main group. Take a hard look at his moto scores (average 8th). Not terrible but if you think he’s beating...

Disagree. 7th in points behind the main group. Take a hard look at his moto scores (average 8th). Not terrible but if you think he’s beating Tomac, Barcia, Febvre, JH84, or 222, I think you’re fooling yourself. I’ll take any bet you’d like to make with him against Barcia or Tomac at Red Bud.

RichardLoots wrote:

but he doesnt have to beat Tomac or Cairoli , we got Herlings to beat those guys and take away points Who says Barcia beats Herlings...

but he doesnt have to beat Tomac or Cairoli , we got Herlings to beat those guys and take away points
Who says Barcia beats Herlings, Cairoli ,Febvre ,Gajser , Desalle or van Hoorebeeck to name just a few ??
as Barcia isnt anywhere near Tomac or Musquin this seaosn . He does good but dont forget all the injuries in AMA these days
Its a team effort , with a good start Glenn can go like 6th on a good day . in 2016 he was 6th and 7th and thats good as long as Herlings doesnt score more as 2 or 3 points ,
all we need is one good moto from Vlaanderen and youre on the podium .. Between 20 and 30 points is what you need to win , or at least get a podium ...
Moto's are pretty stacked these days and levels pretty even , its not like in the old days USA wins all 3 moto's and
dont forget the so called spoilers like Cairoli Gajser etc who can take away points from podium contenders .
And lets face it , you need a bit of luck too .. every year and every moto something happens and thats why the MXON is so exciting the last years as the win always gets decided in the last moto ..

for the fans , its the best scenario possible

i still think USA will win this one , but it could get close with some other teams and get decided again in last
moto .But with Musquin out of team France , i think the dutch have a better chance to get second or at least a podium

Jt$ wrote:

As my last sentence said, at Red Bud especially, I’ll take Barcia versus Coldenhoff for whatever you’d like to bet.

RichardLoots wrote:

but he doesnt have to beat Tomac or Cairoli , we got Herlings to beat those guys and take away points Who says Barcia beats Herlings...

but he doesnt have to beat Tomac or Cairoli , we got Herlings to beat those guys and take away points
Who says Barcia beats Herlings, Cairoli ,Febvre ,Gajser , Desalle or van Hoorebeeck to name just a few ??
as Barcia isnt anywhere near Tomac or Musquin this seaosn . He does good but dont forget all the injuries in AMA these days
Its a team effort , with a good start Glenn can go like 6th on a good day . in 2016 he was 6th and 7th and thats good as long as Herlings doesnt score more as 2 or 3 points ,
all we need is one good moto from Vlaanderen and youre on the podium .. Between 20 and 30 points is what you need to win , or at least get a podium ...
Moto's are pretty stacked these days and levels pretty even , its not like in the old days USA wins all 3 moto's and
dont forget the so called spoilers like Cairoli Gajser etc who can take away points from podium contenders .
And lets face it , you need a bit of luck too .. every year and every moto something happens and thats why the MXON is so exciting the last years as the win always gets decided in the last moto ..

for the fans , its the best scenario possible

i still think USA will win this one , but it could get close with some other teams and get decided again in last
moto .But with Musquin out of team France , i think the dutch have a better chance to get second or at least a podium

Jt$ wrote:

As my last sentence said, at Red Bud especially, I’ll take Barcia versus Coldenhoff for whatever you’d like to bet.

2strokerider wrote:

he might not have to beat barcia though.. herlings will most likely go 1-1 and vlanderen will be up there in mx2. as previously said barcia...

he might not have to beat barcia though.. herlings will most likely go 1-1 and vlanderen will be up there in mx2. as previously said barcia has been a long way behind tomac musquin and roczen most of the season so add in cairoli herlings febvre etc

Jt$ wrote:

As my last sentence said, at Red Bud especially, I’ll take Barcia versus Coldenhoff for whatever you’d like to bet.

2strokerider wrote:

he might not have to beat barcia though.. herlings will most likely go 1-1 and vlanderen will be up there in mx2. as previously said barcia...

he might not have to beat barcia though.. herlings will most likely go 1-1 and vlanderen will be up there in mx2. as previously said barcia has been a long way behind tomac musquin and roczen most of the season so add in cairoli herlings febvre etc

Jt$ wrote:

Refer to my previous statements. Coldenhoff average moto finish 8th place. I’ll take USA over NLD on home soil. Herlings is the only rider who has...

Refer to my previous statements. Coldenhoff average moto finish 8th place. I’ll take USA over NLD on home soil. Herlings is the only rider who has the arguable edge of the 3 and they will most likely only race once. I think there might be some underestimation of this race being at a track USA is very familiar with.

RG1 wrote:

That's not the same. DeCoster is only picking the team, he isn't competing. There's lots of teams in international football that have foreign managers, but all...

That's not the same. DeCoster is only picking the team, he isn't competing. There's lots of teams in international football that have foreign managers, but all the players are always from that nation. It's crazy to me that you would be happy with winning with a foreign rider on the team. That wouldn't sit well with me at all

731chopper wrote:

I believe Roger considers himself an American so I don't think it'd be any different. If you have citizenship in a Country, you're a citizen. It...

I believe Roger considers himself an American so I don't think it'd be any different. If you have citizenship in a Country, you're a citizen. It doesn't matter if you're natural born or not. My wife isn't a natural born citizen but I can promise you she'd join a Team USA in a competition if she had the opportunity because she considers herself an American.

Now back to Marv, I don't think he does consider himself an American but he if does then I'll say it again, I'd love to see him on the team.

Jt$ wrote:

As my last sentence said, at Red Bud especially, I’ll take Barcia versus Coldenhoff for whatever you’d like to bet.

2strokerider wrote:

he might not have to beat barcia though.. herlings will most likely go 1-1 and vlanderen will be up there in mx2. as previously said barcia...

he might not have to beat barcia though.. herlings will most likely go 1-1 and vlanderen will be up there in mx2. as previously said barcia has been a long way behind tomac musquin and roczen most of the season so add in cairoli herlings febvre etc

Jt$ wrote:

Refer to my previous statements. Coldenhoff average moto finish 8th place. I’ll take USA over NLD on home soil. Herlings is the only rider who has...

Refer to my previous statements. Coldenhoff average moto finish 8th place. I’ll take USA over NLD on home soil. Herlings is the only rider who has the arguable edge of the 3 and they will most likely only race once. I think there might be some underestimation of this race being at a track USA is very familiar with.

Jt$ wrote:

Disagree. 7th in points behind the main group. Take a hard look at his moto scores (average 8th). Not terrible but if you think he’s beating...

Disagree. 7th in points behind the main group. Take a hard look at his moto scores (average 8th). Not terrible but if you think he’s beating Tomac, Barcia, Febvre, JH84, or 222, I think you’re fooling yourself. I’ll take any bet you’d like to make with him against Barcia or Tomac at Red Bud.

RichardLoots wrote:

but he doesnt have to beat Tomac or Cairoli , we got Herlings to beat those guys and take away points Who says Barcia beats Herlings...

but he doesnt have to beat Tomac or Cairoli , we got Herlings to beat those guys and take away points
Who says Barcia beats Herlings, Cairoli ,Febvre ,Gajser , Desalle or van Hoorebeeck to name just a few ??
as Barcia isnt anywhere near Tomac or Musquin this seaosn . He does good but dont forget all the injuries in AMA these days
Its a team effort , with a good start Glenn can go like 6th on a good day . in 2016 he was 6th and 7th and thats good as long as Herlings doesnt score more as 2 or 3 points ,
all we need is one good moto from Vlaanderen and youre on the podium .. Between 20 and 30 points is what you need to win , or at least get a podium ...
Moto's are pretty stacked these days and levels pretty even , its not like in the old days USA wins all 3 moto's and
dont forget the so called spoilers like Cairoli Gajser etc who can take away points from podium contenders .
And lets face it , you need a bit of luck too .. every year and every moto something happens and thats why the MXON is so exciting the last years as the win always gets decided in the last moto ..

for the fans , its the best scenario possible

i still think USA will win this one , but it could get close with some other teams and get decided again in last
moto .But with Musquin out of team France , i think the dutch have a better chance to get second or at least a podium

Jt$ wrote:

As my last sentence said, at Red Bud especially, I’ll take Barcia versus Coldenhoff for whatever you’d like to bet.

RichardLoots wrote:

but he doesnt have to beat Tomac or Cairoli , we got Herlings to beat those guys and take away points Who says Barcia beats Herlings...

but he doesnt have to beat Tomac or Cairoli , we got Herlings to beat those guys and take away points
Who says Barcia beats Herlings, Cairoli ,Febvre ,Gajser , Desalle or van Hoorebeeck to name just a few ??
as Barcia isnt anywhere near Tomac or Musquin this seaosn . He does good but dont forget all the injuries in AMA these days
Its a team effort , with a good start Glenn can go like 6th on a good day . in 2016 he was 6th and 7th and thats good as long as Herlings doesnt score more as 2 or 3 points ,
all we need is one good moto from Vlaanderen and youre on the podium .. Between 20 and 30 points is what you need to win , or at least get a podium ...
Moto's are pretty stacked these days and levels pretty even , its not like in the old days USA wins all 3 moto's and
dont forget the so called spoilers like Cairoli Gajser etc who can take away points from podium contenders .
And lets face it , you need a bit of luck too .. every year and every moto something happens and thats why the MXON is so exciting the last years as the win always gets decided in the last moto ..

for the fans , its the best scenario possible

i still think USA will win this one , but it could get close with some other teams and get decided again in last
moto .But with Musquin out of team France , i think the dutch have a better chance to get second or at least a podium

Jt$ wrote:

As my last sentence said, at Red Bud especially, I’ll take Barcia versus Coldenhoff for whatever you’d like to bet.

2strokerider wrote:

he might not have to beat barcia though.. herlings will most likely go 1-1 and vlanderen will be up there in mx2. as previously said barcia...

he might not have to beat barcia though.. herlings will most likely go 1-1 and vlanderen will be up there in mx2. as previously said barcia has been a long way behind tomac musquin and roczen most of the season so add in cairoli herlings febvre etc

Jt$ wrote:

As my last sentence said, at Red Bud especially, I’ll take Barcia versus Coldenhoff for whatever you’d like to bet.

2strokerider wrote:

he might not have to beat barcia though.. herlings will most likely go 1-1 and vlanderen will be up there in mx2. as previously said barcia...

he might not have to beat barcia though.. herlings will most likely go 1-1 and vlanderen will be up there in mx2. as previously said barcia has been a long way behind tomac musquin and roczen most of the season so add in cairoli herlings febvre etc

Enabler wrote:

Herlings most likely to go 1-1 against Tomac at Red Bud? If Herlings gets good starts and Tomac gets crap starts, maybe. Both starting up front...

Herlings most likely to go 1-1 against Tomac at Red Bud? If Herlings gets good starts and Tomac gets crap starts, maybe. Both starting up front I'll take Tomac for the win. Further, if Tomac gets the start and Jeffery is buried no way he catches Tomac.

Motohead279 wrote:

I think this has more to do with the French Federation being loyal to the guys who were on the team the last few years and...

I think this has more to do with the French Federation being loyal to the guys who were on the team the last few years and won for France, even though MM is riding better than either of those 2. I think if France didn’t win last year MM would have been on the team.