My View of the STL SX

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Edited Date/Time 1/24/2012 7:12pm
first off.... i had just listened to the Mattes/DB interview last night..... so a lot of the things the Icon said were still pretty heavy on my mind as i watched the worlds most elite SX'ers go at it...

secondly... who gives a shit much what went on except for Canard's pass on RV... so here's what i saw from the stands... RV didn't easily catch and pass Canard..... he slowly caught him, then put a clean pass on him.... then RV slowly pulled away... Canard actually came up oh-so-short on a few jumps, giving RV some breathing room... but TC knew this was for the title, so he put his head down, and just throttled it..... he caught back up the 1-2 second gap RV had pulled on him.... and let's face it, it was for the championship.... so he really hucked it into the corner before the finish line jump.... he went in crazy hot, and RV had left the door wide open.... TC bumped him, and off went RV..... if there was ever a time to rub a little paint, it was right then and there, for the championship.... i would have done it.... RV would have done it..... TC did it, and walked away with the title..... the more i thought about it, RV didn't lose the title tonight... he lost it at the first two races in the east coast series..... RV should never have been in the position that he was, going into the last race 3 pts down.... Sh!t, RV should have locked up the title in Detroit....

remember that little talk Bailey gave in the Mattes interview?? Canard showed he isn't some clown.... he got passed by RV, caught him, and did what he had to do for the title.... he showed some serious balls tonight.... the kind of balls that Bailey was talking about...

now to the 450 class.....

i paid a lot of attention to the Cobra tonight...... i mean, Bailey verbally azz raped him in the Mattes interview, surely the Cobra would go above and beyond..... i will say the Cobra came in hurt..... (but so was Reed and CR pulled a podium)..... but the Cobra i saw tonight would easily have gotten smoked by the Cobra that first hit these shores riding a YZ-125..... the old Cobra was "i'm not intimidated by any of you Yankees", typically did some weird azz (but fast) rythem through the whoops, and had insane corner speed..... tonight's Cobra (yes, i know he was hurt'n) was just way the F off the pace.... i can't help but think that the Cobra of old would never have been lapped, no matter how hurt he was....

about the track..... last year i wrote on a board that i could make all the jumps at the STL supercross, and i suck.... i don't think i could have made them all this year.... but i could have made the triples, and i suck worse this year than last.... Red Dog got in a little bind in one of his races, and was still able to jump a triple with about a 8 ft run at it...... seriously, WTF??

some riders said the whoops were gnarly.... i will say that they were extremely one-lined, and while fairly tall, they were really rounded.... even i could have skimmed them, and yes, everyone knows how bad i ride....

Reed kept saying that "other riders" were diss'n him today, and in previous days.... personally, if you have to get up there and bitch about somebody elses bitching, you are kinda wasting mic time that you could be using to get your sponsors some more free advertising... now...... we all know how easily K-Fade can be brain-F'ed (RC did it to Kevin for a decade).... so, it really is in Reed's best interest to get into K-Fades brain..... certainly a smart move on Reeds part....

so Ryno and some others were out for the mini-bike race..... i'm not a mini-bike hater, but dayummm that was some boring sh!t..... they didn't jump Anything.... el'zero..... i love supercross, but do i really give a dayum who can roll every single jump on the track the fastest?? i think not.....

Red Dog.......... with Stewart being out, Reed hurt, and K-Fade riding a "i don't wanna skin my elbows" pace.... this really is Red Dog's best chance to win a supercross..... he looks slower than last year indoors..... dayumm he's got the pace to win one.... i guess he might be on the K-Dub race pace plan.....

people might also talk about what i thought was the biggest hack of the night, Millisaps on Wey- in one of the quals..... ya....... DM was faster than Wey...... all the more reason to go around him than through him.... and it wasn't for the title..... it was for the lead of a qual..... paybacks are a b!tch Davey.... hope yours comes when a title is on the line.....

btw...... Tommy Hahn looked Awesome all night...... ride hard.... rode smart..... get a well deserved good finish....

Nate Dog showed up tonight.... rare...... but i guess he has to put it in the top ten a couple times a year to keep getting a check..... tonight, Nate was jumping everything..... had good corner speed.... just plain looked like a top 5 guy that he should always be, but rarely is...... he did what he could do to help out his teammate.....

btw... on the first lap crash in the 450 main, i saw lots of sparks flying off of Millisaps bike as it skidded across the concrete...... that's gotta be fairly rare.... and with PC actually crashing and going Under the stands, mark that up as also one of the strangest crashes i've seen at an SX in quite some time....

Shorty....... yo homeskillet....... K-Fade could have used you tonight..... it sure would have been nice if you would have picked up the pace enough to pass a guy with a broken scapula and a 1 week old separated shoulder..... maybe you don't want to see Red win the title??

anywhos...... that's all i can think of now.....
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4/19/2008 10:45pm
great write up.........love to see this become a weekly event.

Awesome and I agree with you. Go to MMA Junkie for my UFC review.....we have similar writing styles!
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4/19/2008 11:39pm
good write up but RV was way faster then TC, we were there, bummer what happened, but thats racing.
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If Canard hit Villopoto from behind and knocked him down, he should be docked. In a situation like that, with a title on the line, a rider who hits another rider from behind and knocks him down should be assumed to have done it on purpose, and that's against the rules.

In cases like this, you have to be really objective and follow the rules to the letter.

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4/20/2008 5:29am
you could have skimmed the whoops huh? so why werent you there? Everything looks 100x easier from the stands.
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WhKnuckle wrote:
If Canard hit Villopoto from behind and knocked him down, he should be docked. In a situation like that, with a title on the line, a...
If Canard hit Villopoto from behind and knocked him down, he should be docked. In a situation like that, with a title on the line, a rider who hits another rider from behind and knocks him down should be assumed to have done it on purpose, and that's against the rules.

In cases like this, you have to be really objective and follow the rules to the letter.
Suppose RV brake checked him?...
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4/20/2008 6:50am Edited Date/Time 4/20/2008 6:50am
WhKnuckle wrote:
If Canard hit Villopoto from behind and knocked him down, he should be docked. In a situation like that, with a title on the line, a...
If Canard hit Villopoto from behind and knocked him down, he should be docked. In a situation like that, with a title on the line, a rider who hits another rider from behind and knocks him down should be assumed to have done it on purpose, and that's against the rules.

In cases like this, you have to be really objective and follow the rules to the letter.
Big Lenny wrote:
Suppose RV brake checked him?...
If you watch video, a brake check is the most obvious thing in the world.
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What video? I wasn't there and I don't think you were either, who knows what happened, maybe RV missed a shift...
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Big Lenny wrote:
What video? I wasn't there and I don't think you were either, who knows what happened, maybe RV missed a shift...
What video? I wasn't there and I don't think you were either, who knows what happened, maybe RV missed a shift...
I'm hoping to see it on TV. The general consensus of people who were there was that Canard "stuffed" Villopoto. But we'll have to see it on TV (I hope).
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WhKnuckle wrote:
If Canard hit Villopoto from behind and knocked him down, he should be docked. In a situation like that, with a title on the line, a...
If Canard hit Villopoto from behind and knocked him down, he should be docked. In a situation like that, with a title on the line, a rider who hits another rider from behind and knocks him down should be assumed to have done it on purpose, and that's against the rules.

In cases like this, you have to be really objective and follow the rules to the letter.
not hit from behind. i have the pics prove it
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4/20/2008 7:41am Edited Date/Time 4/20/2008 7:42am
Big Lenny wrote:
What video? I wasn't there and I don't think you were either, who knows what happened, maybe RV missed a shift...
What video? I wasn't there and I don't think you were either, who knows what happened, maybe RV missed a shift...
WhKnuckle wrote:
I'm hoping to see it on TV. The general consensus of people who were there was that Canard "stuffed" Villopoto. But we'll have to see it...
I'm hoping to see it on TV. The general consensus of people who were there was that Canard "stuffed" Villopoto. But we'll have to see it on TV (I hope).
Who said that where?

What person there said that?
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WhKnuckle wrote:
If Canard hit Villopoto from behind and knocked him down, he should be docked. In a situation like that, with a title on the line, a...
If Canard hit Villopoto from behind and knocked him down, he should be docked. In a situation like that, with a title on the line, a rider who hits another rider from behind and knocks him down should be assumed to have done it on purpose, and that's against the rules.

In cases like this, you have to be really objective and follow the rules to the letter.
I would like to think that RV would have done the same if he was in Trey's position. I like both riders and they are obviously going to be the future of our sport for some time to come. Trey showed a lot of mental toughness as well as raw ability this season, well beyond his years. The race came down to the best two out front... IMHO moves like this are what make our sport the best in the world. I think Trey served notice he isn't just a rookie to be taken lightly. The outdoors should be a WILD ride. Lots of respect for both riders... On another note a 100% RV from the word go would probably have another #1 plate right now.
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4/20/2008 7:48am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:40pm
Dave - Both Vital MX and the review at the beginning of this thread said Canard hit Villopoto, not the other way around. RacerX did, too. I'm not making a judgement - I'm saying that a lot of people are saying, "Just racing" when they haven't seen it (mostly because everyone hates Pro Circuit and they're starting to hate Villopoto, too). And I never said Canard hit Villopoto from behind, I'm saying that if he did, and if Pro Circuit protested, I'd think they have a pretty good case.

But again, I don't care either way.
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WhKnuckle wrote:
If Canard hit Villopoto from behind and knocked him down, he should be docked. In a situation like that, with a title on the line, a...
If Canard hit Villopoto from behind and knocked him down, he should be docked. In a situation like that, with a title on the line, a rider who hits another rider from behind and knocks him down should be assumed to have done it on purpose, and that's against the rules.

In cases like this, you have to be really objective and follow the rules to the letter.
Shocker wrote:
I would like to think that RV would have done the same if he was in Trey's position. I like both riders and they are obviously...
I would like to think that RV would have done the same if he was in Trey's position. I like both riders and they are obviously going to be the future of our sport for some time to come. Trey showed a lot of mental toughness as well as raw ability this season, well beyond his years. The race came down to the best two out front... IMHO moves like this are what make our sport the best in the world. I think Trey served notice he isn't just a rookie to be taken lightly. The outdoors should be a WILD ride. Lots of respect for both riders... On another note a 100% RV from the word go would probably have another #1 plate right now.
Villopoto was hurt at the beginning of the season. And I think RV is going to be on a 450 this summer, so he won't be racing Canard. Maybe they'll cross paths in Vegas.
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You said:

The general consensus of people who were there was that Canard "stuffed" Villopoto.

Where is this general consensus saying TC stuffed RV?
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Villopoto was hurt at the beginning of the season. And I think RV is going to be on a 450 this summer, so he won't be...
Villopoto was hurt at the beginning of the season. And I think RV is going to be on a 450 this summer, so he won't be racing Canard. Maybe they'll cross paths in Vegas.
Excuse me?
Where did you make that up from?
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4/20/2008 7:55am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:40pm
WhKnuckle wrote:
Villopoto was hurt at the beginning of the season. And I think RV is going to be on a 450 this summer, so he won't be...
Villopoto was hurt at the beginning of the season. And I think RV is going to be on a 450 this summer, so he won't be racing Canard. Maybe they'll cross paths in Vegas.
flarider wrote:
Excuse me?
Where did you make that up from?
Villopoto had a broken wrist at the beginning of the season. And he said in a TWMX interview that he was going to ride a 450 this summer. RV on the 450
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flarider wrote:

How embarassing. Well, if Villopoto is riding the 250F this summer, Canard better keep his eyes open.
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Big Lenny wrote:
What video? I wasn't there and I don't think you were either, who knows what happened, maybe RV missed a shift...
What video? I wasn't there and I don't think you were either, who knows what happened, maybe RV missed a shift...
WhKnuckle wrote:
I'm hoping to see it on TV. The general consensus of people who were there was that Canard "stuffed" Villopoto. But we'll have to see it...
I'm hoping to see it on TV. The general consensus of people who were there was that Canard "stuffed" Villopoto. But we'll have to see it on TV (I hope).
flarider wrote:
Who said that where?

What person there said that?
To be fair to Lenny I am sure he saw me say it on another board. I witnessed it and said Trey stuffed RV and I was proud of him for doing it. I didn't think he had it in him. I don't think it was anything against the rules and I honestly believe RV would have made the exact same move had the roles been reversed. I'm not sure "stuffed" is the proper word for it but that's the word I used. I think a couple of other people that were there made similar statements on the same board. It was a great race and people were on their feet the entire time.
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4/20/2008 9:10am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:40pm
"the more i thought about it, RV didn't lose the title tonight... he lost it at the first two races in the east coast series..... RV should never have been in the position that he was, going into the last race 3 pts down.... "

I sort of agree. If TC wouldn't have had that trouble cranking his stalled championship winning Honda a few weeks ago, then RV would never have had the chance to be in the position he was given last night for the Championship.
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btw...... if you just watched the 450 main....... what TC did to RV was very similiar to what Wey did to the Cobra on the last lap right behind K-dub, except there was contact....

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