Muddy creek is shot

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Place needs new dirt... They just keep trying to add sawdust and till the same dirt:.. Run way to many races on it
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kawasa84 6/25/2016 12:12pm
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Maybe they should haul the great sandy loam from Freestone up there,.........or move the race to Freestone
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USMCMXer 6/25/2016 12:17pm
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Watch some 80s and 90s Unadilla vs the hard, rock fest it is now. Keeping a track's integrity over the years with constant heavy equipment working it and erosion, etc is nearly impossible.
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kawasa84 6/25/2016 12:27pm
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What the poster mentions is all the racing through the years that have been ran on Muddy Creek.
Versus, hardly any racing on the Unadilla track. Matter of fact, Unadilla has probably less racing on it in the last 30 plus years of any National track.
Maybe some erosion, but Muddy Creek is a whore, and Unadilla is a virgin, when compared.
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Trav138 6/25/2016 12:30pm
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USMCMXer wrote:
Watch some 80s and 90s Unadilla vs the hard, rock fest it is now. Keeping a track's integrity over the years with constant heavy equipment working...
Watch some 80s and 90s Unadilla vs the hard, rock fest it is now. Keeping a track's integrity over the years with constant heavy equipment working it and erosion, etc is nearly impossible.
What! Is this sarcasm,
Unadilla used to be a rock garden, it pails in comparison now. They cleaned up a lot of the rocks and brought massive amounts of soft material. Almost to the point where it becomes just long continuous ruts around the track.

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kawirider819 6/25/2016 12:30pm
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logan_140 wrote:
Place needs new dirt... They just keep trying to add sawdust and till the same dirt:.. Run way to many races on it
Modern dilla dirt is anything but hard.
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USMCMXer 6/25/2016 12:32pm
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logan_140 wrote:
Place needs new dirt... They just keep trying to add sawdust and till the same dirt:.. Run way to many races on it
Agree with this point. The Unadilla National track is seldomly used anymore, for sure.
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USMCMXer 6/25/2016 12:36pm
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kawirider819 wrote:
Modern dilla dirt is anything but hard.
I just think it is night and day from the 80's. Haven't ridden the national track there since 2010 LL regional, but compared to other places I've ridden and raced, the place was rocky, there were plenty of ruts, but only because they dug it so deep. Then it dries out and gets pretty damn hard and slick. Just my take, guys. If you've grown up riding that, maybe Unadilla is better to you? Not flaming the Dilla' here.
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logan_140 6/25/2016 12:39pm
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logan_140 wrote:
Place needs new dirt... They just keep trying to add sawdust and till the same dirt:.. Run way to many races on it
Yep you got the victory sports races (mega series,ultra series, all of them) then you have regionals and areas and then the national. It's time for new dirt
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Insider347 6/25/2016 12:40pm
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Unadilla has always been rocky but I raced it several times in the 90s and it was so fun.
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kawasa84 6/25/2016 12:57pm
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Insider347 wrote:
Unadilla has always been rocky but I raced it several times in the 90s and it was so fun.
Two words: "Gravity Cavity"
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brimx153 6/25/2016 1:37pm
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leave the dirt alone , that was the best racing of the year so far , and i think the dirt had alot to do with it
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GuyB 6/25/2016 4:01pm
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So you're saying the dirt is worn out?






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logan_140 wrote:
Place needs new dirt... They just keep trying to add sawdust and till the same dirt:.. Run way to many races on it
Well, it is several million years old.Blink
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jchek779 6/25/2016 4:07pm
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Just got back from there bro. Dirt looked good. Deep and black. A huge upgrade from a few years ago. It was 6-10" deep in spots and formed a lot of ruts, a handful of lines, and some decent braking bumps.
You may not have seen it on tv because they groomed it quite a bit between practices and motos.

I give it 2 thumbs up. Much improved over years past.

Please don't let this first hand recollection get in the way of shitting all over something via your keyboard.
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logan_140 wrote:
Place needs new dirt... They just keep trying to add sawdust and till the same dirt:.. Run way to many races on it
Yes, they need to move the race to the Southeast !
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GuyB wrote:
So you're saying the dirt is worn out?






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everyone knows you have to rotate crops or the soil gets burnt out.
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GuyB 6/25/2016 4:41pm
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500guy wrote:
everyone knows you have to rotate crops or the soil gets burnt out.
So they should replace faceplants with what crop?
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You guys are idiots

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500guy 6/25/2016 5:44pm
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GuyB wrote:
So they should replace faceplants with what crop?
Obviously they should switch to quads.
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I thought it looked decent from watching it on tv. Could be wider in some areas but other than that it looked fine.
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Crush 6/25/2016 6:29pm
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Track looked great.

It might not be what it "used" to be, or what Red Bud is, but I think it's good having a track that varies in condition, was good watching them pick lines and move around, struggling with traction etc...
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MR. X 6/25/2016 6:32pm
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The dirt is broken
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kzizok 6/25/2016 6:41pm
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GuyB wrote:
So they should replace faceplants with what crop?
500guy wrote:
Obviously they should switch to quads.
Thought that was a given
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GuyB 6/25/2016 6:43pm
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500guy wrote:
Obviously they should switch to quads.
They already do a quad national there. Please try and keep up.
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bsharkey 6/25/2016 6:48pm
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look whats happened to Washougal over the years. the tracks sunken in the grounf from all the dirt that goes off track from mud races. if you see pics from the early 90s you can really see it
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slowgti 6/25/2016 7:16pm
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500guy wrote:
everyone knows you have to rotate crops or the soil gets burnt out.
That's why the 450's ran first today. Rotation
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Flip109 6/26/2016 1:53am
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logan_140 wrote:
Place needs new dirt... They just keep trying to add sawdust and till the same dirt:.. Run way to many races on it
^^^ This. I liked also. Gave the place some personality. Can hardly tell one track from another on TV these days,
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kkawboy14 6/26/2016 5:22am
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500guy wrote:
everyone knows you have to rotate crops or the soil gets burnt out.
GuyB wrote:
So they should replace faceplants with what crop?
..... Dill weeds!
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hillbilly 6/26/2016 6:15am
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Track was premo early,muddy,ruts track wide.

Then,they worked it to much,lap times went down a bunch .

2 guys knew the lines that i used in the sections that have always been,Webb and Zach.

And i get why they work it .
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stremme12 6/26/2016 7:11am
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GuyB wrote:
So you're saying the dirt is worn out?






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500guy wrote:
everyone knows you have to rotate crops or the soil gets burnt out.
The soil loses the nutrients when you grow the same crops over and over. That is why you rotate crops. So what you're saying makes no sense to why they need new dirt. I didn't see them trying to grow any corn out there this year.

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