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I think we can finally put that one to rest. I've argued with people till I'm blue in the face...… errr finger that Eli had to win the SX title to cement his legacy. The Tomaniacs would talk about number of wins plus 3 straight outdoor titles.
Out of Eli's own mouth he has said what a relief it was and how he was personally starting to worry if it would ever come. He also talked about some uncomfortable conversations with Kawasaki bosses where they told him that he was paid to win the SX title. Monster Energy doesn't care nearly as much if it's athletes win the Lucas oil championship they want the Monster Energy SX title.
Good job Tomac and now that he knows how to win one he has to be the odds on favorite for next years title. If he ends up with 40+ sx wins and 2 titles he is definitely in the Mt. Rushmore convo. .
Out of Eli's own mouth he has said what a relief it was and how he was personally starting to worry if it would ever come. He also talked about some uncomfortable conversations with Kawasaki bosses where they told him that he was paid to win the SX title. Monster Energy doesn't care nearly as much if it's athletes win the Lucas oil championship they want the Monster Energy SX title.
Good job Tomac and now that he knows how to win one he has to be the odds on favorite for next years title. If he ends up with 40+ sx wins and 2 titles he is definitely in the Mt. Rushmore convo. .
Or are you going for the championship of the trolls on Vital?
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Like it or not I think SX is just something to watch over winter. For me the risk versus reward is not worth it.
Eli stating it was a relief to finally win a SX championship doesn’t have anything to do with which is more important, it simply speaks to his specific circumstances. i.e. You don’t think if he had 3X SX championships but had always fallen short of a MX title it’s be a relief to finally nail down his first MX title? Would that prove the MX title was more important?
Lastly, he didn’t say anything about any uncomfortable conversations with Kawi Exec’s or how they don’t care near as much about MX titles. That was Matthes and I took those comments as more tongue in cheek/conjecture as opposed to literal quotes.
And before you get your panties in a wad and go off on a straw man argument, I’m not claiming the MX title is more coveted by riders/teams/sponsors. It’s my own personal opinion the MX title is the more challenging/grueling/difficult of the 2 to win(24- 30min Motos in more extreme conditions/weather, more diversified tracks/soil/terrain, 40 man gate, etc).
That said, clearly the SX title is more “covered” simply because it’s the more financially lucrative of the 2 for both sponsors & riders.
Lastly, your previous statements/argument wasn’t that Tomac needed a SX title to “cement his legacy”. That statement is defendable. Rather, the idiotic/asinine statement you were rightly ridiculed for was claiming was that “Tomac will remain unproven as a RACER unless/until he wins a SX title.” That was an idiotic statement then and it’s an idiotic statement now.
PS I like MX more, but to deny that SX is king in the Dirtbike world is insane.
Chances are that both Kenny and Marv would have been 450 World Champs at some point but they wanted to compete for the most prestigious title in moto.
My Rankings:
1) 450 SX
2) 450 GP
3) 450 MX
4) 250 MX
5) 250 GP
6) 250 SX E/W
Yes in the dirt bike world, but only replying from personal conversation with non Moto friends, who find it hard to fathom it's not the world championship.
Personally I don't care who wins SX, got bored of that show years ago. Moto all the way for me, but understand people do like it so would never say I'm right your wrong.
It’s world title in name, if you really broke it down it’s 75% central and Western Europe with a couple other races sold to the highest bidder with the series not going to the biggest moto market in the world as well as not going to Australia, Japan etc. That’s a knock on money hungry GL no more no less. Not on the series or riders. Moto GP and F1 have a much better calendar IMO like a World Series should. But As long as GL gets his € he don’t care. Haven’t had a GL rant in awhile! Purely financial SX is king otherwise it’s all easy to watch and support.
I would get in some heated lunch time discussions with a few of those people as (though I'm younger than them) I prefer MX over SX.... and I felt pushing a SX-only agenda wasn't good for the sport.
These people would rather see no professional MX races at all, and just SX here in the US. MX would only serve as a platform for amateur racing.
Big yikes from me.
When did I ever say he was unproven as a RACER? Simple fact is it is without question he has been the best racer of the past half decade, he wasn't however the best champion. Now that has all changed.
Eli said on the Pulp show that he got the monkey off his back, you don't say that unless it really really matters to you.
https://youtu.be/slcVelwEQBI?t=7912
And the point of your video was to prove what again? That winning a championship meant a lot to ET3 and was a relief after so many failed attempts? Wow, talk about a real mic drop moment. Only except for the fact I’m sure he’d say the exact same thing he had 3 SX championship and 0 MX championsships before finally winning one late in his career.
But since you took the trouble to post it, remind me again where in the video i can find the part where Eli.. “talked about some uncomfortable conversations with Kawasaki bosses where they told him that he was paid to win the SX title. Monster Energy doesn't care nearly as much if it's athletes win the Lucas oil championship they want the Monster Energy SX title”?
Oh and as for my reading comprehension? It’s just fine, thanks.
Pit Row
packed stadiums, big money, the intensity, tight racing, skill of each obstacle, racing under light, etc... its the whole thing.
MX might be the roots.. But every one knows SX is the top of the sport. why? because there is nothing else like it.
MX is done all over the world, but there is only 1 SX series that matters.
To counter everything you said
Eli just proved himself as a champion
SX is more prestigious than MX
Eli felt relief but more importantly his team and sponsors are happy now.
I have no idea why it's so hard for some people to follow along. When you are the best racer and the fastest SX racer in the world anything less than a championship is failure. You don't want to be judged so harshly, don't be faster than everyone else.
and the biggest pay out in history of MX/SX for it.
MX = Gnarlier and more difficult
SX = Prestigious
in moto is the same, even dough they were the best at some point, they put all in sx, run in a stadium where you can be seated in a chair and have your beer and dogs or burguer, while watching all the track....the rest of the world still enjoys to go out to nature and watch the riders go through natural tracks and race motocross as it really is, but in usa sx got bigger and bigger, to a point where they are not the best anymore in mx, and cant win even being the biggest talent pool of the world, but they still have sx and despite a few outsiders, it still is an american thing....
and i say still because of the way i see they are underestimeting motocross and are happy just to have sx on tv without live spectators, this year outdoors championship maybe is not going to be run, has it isnt the amateur national, and the system of upbringing talent is still the same has it was for years, even if the results of it shows its not good anymore
maybe in a few years the aussies, the french, and other kids in the world that dream of winning sx in america are getting it done and the americans have to change again to another way of racing......
i think that if the natural talent of young kids were treated different, and motocross was given its importance has the development of all the skills in dirtbike riding.....i guess mx, sx and even woods racing would profit from it.....this way where you can sit good and drink your beer while watching the race, you better be ready to see foreigners win more and more
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