Mike alessi and the claiming rule back in his mini days

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8/2/2018 11:07 AM
Edited Date/Time: 8/2/2018 11:08 AM

what exactly are we talking here? that people know of or are/were sceptical about back then?. what was in that supermini, what capacity WAS it accused of being.
also tony brought $100,000 to Loretta to cancel out a claim that was going to go down. that was a 250f right?

I'd love to hear stories about this.

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8/2/2018 11:10 AM

That iconic photo of Tony with all that cash

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8/2/2018 12:46 PM

It blows my mind tha people get that crazy over mini racing!!

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8/2/2018 2:01 PM

because when your limited to 100cc or 112 these days it's obv

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8/2/2018 3:40 PM

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8/2/2018 3:42 PM

I love reading about this kind of high stakes mini-dad lore from Lorettas.

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8/2/2018 5:42 PM

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8/2/2018 5:51 PM
Edited Date/Time: 8/2/2018 5:52 PM

What does that mean he claimed it? Reading that other linked article it sounds like the Chatfields got to keep the bike that Mike rode?

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8/2/2018 6:55 PM

RangerLee wrote:

What does that mean he claimed it? Reading that other linked article it sounds like the Chatfields got to keep the bike that Mike rode?

Exactly. There is a claiming rule in amateur racing that means you can purchase another riders bike. It's to prevent racers from spending so much money that the competition becomes unfair.

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8/2/2018 7:16 PM

Tony did and still does whatever it takes. Whether it was for Mike or for Brayton. A level of commitment few have.

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8/2/2018 7:33 PM

FuzzyLogic wrote:

I love reading about this kind of high stakes mini-dad lore from Lorettas.

It really is the good stuff

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8/3/2018 3:17 AM

Is the 'Claiming rule' still a thing?

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8/3/2018 3:51 AM

DoubleA wrote:

Is the 'Claiming rule' still a thing?

Yup. The 2018 rules say it’s 2x the manufacturers MSRP.

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8/3/2018 4:12 AM

JBecker 72 wrote:

Yup. The 2018 rules say it’s 2x the manufacturers MSRP.

Is it only if you win the race you can claim someones bike or if you just beat them and doesn't matter on position?

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8/3/2018 4:26 AM

DoubleA wrote:

Is the 'Claiming rule' still a thing?

JBecker 72 wrote:

Yup. The 2018 rules say it’s 2x the manufacturers MSRP.

DoubleA wrote:

Is it only if you win the race you can claim someones bike or if you just beat them and doesn't matter on position?

Pretty sure you just have to be in the same class and race. So if you wanted to claim someone’s Schoolboy 1 bike, you would have to be racing against them that day. Finishing position doesn’t matter.

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8/3/2018 4:36 AM

travis-grant wrote:

what exactly are we talking here? that people know of or are/were sceptical about back then?. what was in that supermini, what capacity WAS it accused of being.
also tony brought $100,000 to Loretta to cancel out a claim that was going to go down. that was a 250f right?

I'd love to hear stories about this.

It was a Honda CR85, not a 250F.

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8/3/2018 5:21 AM

RVT420 wrote: Photo

Thought this was in response to be bike being claimed by Chatfields previously? Was my understanding of the other thread.

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8/3/2018 5:26 AM

shuggs wrote:

Thought this was in response to be bike being claimed by Chatfields previously? Was my understanding of the other thread.

That was my understanding as well.

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8/3/2018 7:20 AM

Why all the money then, to claim multiple bikes? If the rule was + 30% or even double that's a lot of excess money.

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8/3/2018 7:23 AM

so you can Claim/Take someones else bike by force after these AMA events if you really want to?

Why?

Why not just do a motor tear down if its about checking for equal equipment?


Im new to the whole AMA rules.. i dont believe local races do the Claiming deal.. if they do, ive never been involved enough to notice..

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8/3/2018 7:37 AM

TSCHAM101 wrote:

so you can Claim/Take someones else bike by force after these AMA events if you really want to?

Why?

Why not just do a motor tear down if its about checking for equal equipment?


Im new to the whole AMA rules.. i dont believe local races do the Claiming deal.. if they do, ive never been involved enough to notice..

The intent is to keep the bikes more equal. If the potential exists to claim a bike, the idea is that people won’t drop huge money into a bike knowing it can be claimed at a set price. Has nothing to do with cheating as that falls under the protest rule.

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8/3/2018 8:05 AM

So am I understanding this correctly, If someone wants to claim Hammakers mod 250 this year at LL? They would only have to pay msrp + whatever the percentage is and the team or owner would be forced to turn over the bike?

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8/3/2018 8:08 AM

WW444 wrote:

So am I understanding this correctly, If someone wants to claim Hammakers mod 250 this year at LL? They would only have to pay msrp + whatever the percentage is and the team or owner would be forced to turn over the bike?

2X MSRP

So $15,498 would take home that bad boy.

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8/3/2018 8:18 AM

How does the $100k work for Tony keeping the bike? Is that to pay off the AMA? laughing

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8/3/2018 8:45 AM

I just seen that Alessi stuff on instagram the other day Photo

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8/3/2018 8:55 AM

WW444 wrote:

So am I understanding this correctly, If someone wants to claim Hammakers mod 250 this year at LL? They would only have to pay msrp + whatever the percentage is and the team or owner would be forced to turn over the bike?

JBecker 72 wrote:

2X MSRP

So $15,498 would take home that bad boy.

Although 15k is steep, those team bikes have wayyyyy more into them. So I guess I am surprised that people don't claim bikes often just to get a damn near factory built bike at half the cost?

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8/3/2018 9:04 AM

Although I understand why this is a rule, I still wish there were a better way to do it. I know a ton of people would like to keep the bike they won their first and possibly only Loretta’s championship on. But instead it’s bye bye to the bike forever if someone wants it.

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8/3/2018 9:22 AM

TDeath21 wrote:

Although I understand why this is a rule, I still wish there were a better way to do it. I know a ton of people would like to keep the bike they won their first and possibly only Loretta’s championship on. But instead it’s bye bye to the bike forever if someone wants it.

But as you can see by past history, there's only been like two or three claims.

Few reasons why it doesn't happen more often:

1. The OEM amateur programs do bring some nice bikes, but they don't bring factory bikes. Their bikes are good, but most amateurs can build competitive equipment to what Team Green and Amsoil Honda bring. You're not getting a factory bike if you place a claim.

2. The gentleman's agreement; if someone tries to claim say a Team Green bike, I've heard that the other OEMs will step in and counter claim, along with riders on that same brand. So in the end, 5-10 people may file a claim, so it goes to names in a hat to win the bike. At that point, the winner will just hand the bike back to the original rider, if the winner wasn't the guy trying to claim it.

3. Kiss your support good-bye; if you're an amateur rider that isn't already on Team Green, TLD, Amsoil, etc...and your parents thinks claiming the bike from one of those groups is a good idea, it isn't. If it's done, you can pretty much guarantee that no OEM will offer you an future support after that, especially the one you claim the bike from. Secondly, if the bike does have any unique parts, you won't be able to get them to rebuild it...so the bike basically expires in its current state.

4. The rule does hold some merit though; in a sense, it kinda works as it still discourages groups like PC and Geico from sending their top am prospects on full-race bikes.

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8/3/2018 9:25 AM

Tony never read this, and he needed to about 1995!! Photo

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8/3/2018 10:37 AM
Edited Date/Time: 8/3/2018 10:39 AM

I'd recommend giving the DMXS Tony Alessi interview a listen. It is from a couple years ago, so its at a point where Tony has some pretty good perspective on a lot of the things he has done and the way he acted.

He was absolutely out there, yes, but there is a part where he says " I quit my job, mortgaged my house and bet everything on these kids becoming professional motocross racers"

Right or wrong, having fun was absolutely secondary. They came with one purpose - to win races and ultimately make money doing it. I could be wrong, but it seemed like the 2 boys were completely on board with the goal in mind and the means of getting there.

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Here's to feeling good all the time