Mike Alessi on YZ325 for MEC

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10/17/2019 4:46 PM

Nick_Lalanne wrote:

Anyone that thinks they haven’t been running lap times against Vice and Malcom are stupid, they know already if he will be competitive.

dirtwalker wrote:

Of course. But hard to replicate vegas track conditions at home.

Bro they've got a clay sx track in the hi-dez which is a similar environment overall including dirt conditions. I think they've got good prep and I'm excited to see how he does. I suuuuuuure wouldn't mind a nice 2 stroke 325 or 350 production dirtbike from the Japanese mfgs. I think SX and MX racing would really liven up with some guys on competitive 2 strokes mixing it up.

I like riding 2 strokes plain and simple and HATE riding 4 strokes especially at the track. Thats just me I don't want to start a 2 vs 4 stroke debate here. It just sucks in that other than KTM to a degree all the development of dirt bikes are into 4 strokes, thus if I'm riding a 2 stroke them odds are in on a bike over 10 years old unless its a ktm or I have to ride a 4 stroke and I don't like them they feel dull and relayed in response and reaction compared to a 2 stroke, everything about the bike reacts faster.

I'll get off my soapbox now 😂

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10/17/2019 6:32 PM

This would have been a great opportunity for Bowers to whip out the kx500 again.

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10/18/2019 5:57 AM

A monopoly almost never helps the consumer. Four strokes absolutely have a monopoly on Motocross/Supercross in the US. And why is that? More money for the manufacturers.

I just want to see a 2 stroke option that is equivalent to the 4 strokes in use today.

Is the YZ325 that equivalent option? Maybe we'll see. One would think there is no way it could be since the chassis has had no development since, what 2006?

I hope Alessi on the YZ325 this weekend at least opens some eyes.

Let the consumers decide which style engine they prefer.

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10/18/2019 6:12 AM

KX500 wrote:

A monopoly almost never helps the consumer. Four strokes absolutely have a monopoly on Motocross/Supercross in the US. And why is that? More money for the manufacturers.

I just want to see a 2 stroke option that is equivalent to the 4 strokes in use today.

Is the YZ325 that equivalent option? Maybe we'll see. One would think there is no way it could be since the chassis has had no development since, what 2006?

I hope Alessi on the YZ325 this weekend at least opens some eyes.

Let the consumers decide which style engine they prefer.

They did. 4 strokes outsell 2 strokes. Still plenty of new 2 stroke models to choose from.

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10/18/2019 6:20 AM

There are no '450 4 stroke equivalent' 2 stokes available today. Who makes a 350 or 400 cc 2 stroke that has been developed to compete at the same levels as the 450? Nobody - and why would they as the AMA wouldn't allow them to race anyway?

Of course consumers picked the four strokes, when the big 4 manufacturers stopped development of the 2 stroke and the only way to get a 'new' bike was going to be a 4 stroke. Few want 2, 5 or 10 year old technology when they can have the most current.

The marketing worked exactly like it was supposed to.

Another case of planned obsolescence.

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10/18/2019 6:26 AM

KX500 wrote:

There are no '450 4 stroke equivalent' 2 stokes available today. Who makes a 350 or 400 cc 2 stroke that has been developed to compete at the same levels as the 450? Nobody - and why would they as the AMA wouldn't allow them to race anyway?

Of course consumers picked the four strokes, when the big 4 manufacturers stopped development of the 2 stroke and the only way to get a 'new' bike was going to be a 4 stroke. Few want 2, 5 or 10 year old technology when they can have the most current.

The marketing worked exactly like it was supposed to.

Another case of planned obsolescence.

Ktm, tm, husky have pretty current technology. Support them if people want to.ride 2 strokes.

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10/18/2019 7:48 AM

I'm thrilled with the 2 stroke selections available today. It is awesome that Yamaha still sells them and that KTM continues to sell AND develop them. Maybe someday I'll have one of those KTM of Husky 300s, but it isn't as if my '16 YZ250X is holding me back.

My point is simply that if a top level racer wanted to compete against the 450s on a 2 stroke, his only choice is to do what Alessi is doing here. Take a bike that was never fully developed by the factory and do the best he can with it on his (or the programs) budget.

I have little doubt that the KTM 250 SX is the best available 2 stroke MX bike today. But still, KTM hasn't said 'let's put the time, effort & money in it so that it is as good as our 450s'.

I want to see KTM or somebody do that.

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10/18/2019 3:01 PM
Edited Date/Time: 10/18/2019 3:05 PM

KX500 wrote:

I'm thrilled with the 2 stroke selections available today. It is awesome that Yamaha still sells them and that KTM continues to sell AND develop them. Maybe someday I'll have one of those KTM of Husky 300s, but it isn't as if my '16 YZ250X is holding me back.

My point is simply that if a top level racer wanted to compete against the 450s on a 2 stroke, his only choice is to do what Alessi is doing here. Take a bike that was never fully developed by the factory and do the best he can with it on his (or the programs) budget.

I have little doubt that the KTM 250 SX is the best available 2 stroke MX bike today. But still, KTM hasn't said 'let's put the time, effort & money in it so that it is as good as our 450s'.

I want to see KTM or somebody do that.

I'm not so sure about 4t's outselling 2t's. Yamaha, KTM, Beta, Husky, TM and Sherco sell a lot of 2t's, that happen to have VERY modern technology, although perhaps a bit short on CC's for some tracks. Anyone who has MX'ed their 2 stroke knows hole shots are possible with a 300 or a 250. Consistency in lap times is probably the biggest challenge. It's not like this is Ryan Dungey on a 325 RBSR special though, so expectations with Mikey in the saddle must be realistic. This sport has always been more rider than bike.

Regardless I am THRILLED for anyone to be trying it, that is what the Open Rulebook is about and it's about time we got to see something different and hopefully exciting. I feel like we were close with Mookie last year on the Alta if the battery could have held up?

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2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart

10/18/2019 11:42 PM

Practice,

Alessi on the YZ ESR 325 from 4:15 to 5:40 Minute marks. Looks pretty good, the Tight Track in this area should be better for him.


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10/19/2019 12:06 AM

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10/19/2019 12:21 AM

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10/19/2019 1:15 AM

KX500 wrote:

A monopoly almost never helps the consumer. Four strokes absolutely have a monopoly on Motocross/Supercross in the US. And why is that? More money for the manufacturers.

I just want to see a 2 stroke option that is equivalent to the 4 strokes in use today.

Is the YZ325 that equivalent option? Maybe we'll see. One would think there is no way it could be since the chassis has had no development since, what 2006?

I hope Alessi on the YZ325 this weekend at least opens some eyes.

Let the consumers decide which style engine they prefer.

I’m not sure you know what monopoly really means.

A monopoly would be one company buying up a whole lot of smaller companies to eventually have an unfair control over the market, tipping the scales and making it difficult for companies to compete on a level field.

like Amazon has done. Not having one type of engine type manufactured by multiple different manufacturers

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10/19/2019 2:04 AM
Edited Date/Time: 10/19/2019 2:11 AM

Zacka 161 wrote:

I’m not sure you know what monopoly really means.

A monopoly would be one company buying up a whole lot of smaller companies to eventually have an unfair control over the market, tipping the scales and making it difficult for companies to compete on a level field.

like Amazon has done. Not having one type of engine type manufactured by multiple different manufacturers

Well, let's call the AMA/Feld MX Sports and Luongo/ FIM 250 and 450 classes by a couple of more accurate names:



1 - Handicap Class Racing

Or:

2 - Sheltered Workshop Class Racing

Now you, being an Aussie, Know equivalency means the 4ts do not get slaughtered - they are more than competitive with same sized 2ts - hell, they've had a lot of years of development and isolation, through rules, from other ICE 'threats'. It, Equivalency, just gives great, more interesting racing.

With ESR and Mike Alessi, it's good to see someone taking a tilt at things, though (with respect - but there will be twonkers that get upset with this), it's a Pro probably past his prime, on, what is, effectively, a modified 2005 model bike with a big bore kit. Anyone think a 450 4t of that vintage design and rider combo would do particularly well?

I've written many, many times - the company that brings out a Modern 2t that would come under an 'Equivalent 450' class ruling, would have a good seller on their model listing. But, it's far easier to just square up an existing 250, and call it a 'big bike'. Which, it is not.

Heck , even without a MX Sports 450 or Luongo/FIM MX1 class tick, I've always said a 350 / 400/ 430 - whatever size up to 450cc 2t could be a good addition to a few manufacturers line ups. Simple (even a FI / TPI 2t is still infinitely simpler than a modern 4t), durable, easy to ride, easy to work on, light, and fun. And, very, very easy to have it relatively mellow, in power delivery, but very powerful, or wild, for the 'he men' that must have their hard to ride 'hit'. Those, will, generally, the ones at the back, tying themselves in knots.........w00t

Equivalency in all classes, at all level of racing, is what we should have, not this BS of double the capacity and 1.80 times capacity.

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10/19/2019 3:49 AM
Edited Date/Time: 10/19/2019 3:50 AM

KX500 wrote:

A monopoly almost never helps the consumer. Four strokes absolutely have a monopoly on Motocross/Supercross in the US. And why is that? More money for the manufacturers.

I just want to see a 2 stroke option that is equivalent to the 4 strokes in use today.

Is the YZ325 that equivalent option? Maybe we'll see. One would think there is no way it could be since the chassis has had no development since, what 2006?

I hope Alessi on the YZ325 this weekend at least opens some eyes.

Let the consumers decide which style engine they prefer.

Zacka 161 wrote:

I’m not sure you know what monopoly really means.

A monopoly would be one company buying up a whole lot of smaller companies to eventually have an unfair control over the market, tipping the scales and making it difficult for companies to compete on a level field.

like Amazon has done. Not having one type of engine type manufactured by multiple different manufacturers

Bearuno wrote:

Well, let's call the AMA/Feld MX Sports and Luongo/ FIM 250 and 450 classes by a couple of more accurate names:



1 - Handicap Class Racing

Or:

2 - Sheltered Workshop Class Racing

Now you, being an Aussie, Know equivalency means the 4ts do not get slaughtered - they are more than competitive with same sized 2ts - hell, they've had a lot of years of development and isolation, through rules, from other ICE 'threats'. It, Equivalency, just gives great, more interesting racing.

With ESR and Mike Alessi, it's good to see someone taking a tilt at things, though (with respect - but there will be twonkers that get upset with this), it's a Pro probably past his prime, on, what is, effectively, a modified 2005 model bike with a big bore kit. Anyone think a 450 4t of that vintage design and rider combo would do particularly well?

I've written many, many times - the company that brings out a Modern 2t that would come under an 'Equivalent 450' class ruling, would have a good seller on their model listing. But, it's far easier to just square up an existing 250, and call it a 'big bike'. Which, it is not.

Heck , even without a MX Sports 450 or Luongo/FIM MX1 class tick, I've always said a 350 / 400/ 430 - whatever size up to 450cc 2t could be a good addition to a few manufacturers line ups. Simple (even a FI / TPI 2t is still infinitely simpler than a modern 4t), durable, easy to ride, easy to work on, light, and fun. And, very, very easy to have it relatively mellow, in power delivery, but very powerful, or wild, for the 'he men' that must have their hard to ride 'hit'. Those, will, generally, the ones at the back, tying themselves in knots.........w00t

Equivalency in all classes, at all level of racing, is what we should have, not this BS of double the capacity and 1.80 times capacity.

You can race a 250 2-stroke in the EMX250 class against the 4-strokes and about 1% of the riders race on a 2-stroke. I know you're passionate about this topic and i admire that, but i seriously think we are wasting our time discussing this.

The 2-stroke on the highest level of MX or SX racing is dead, and that isn't because of the rules, some conspiracy etc. On the other hand it thrives in the world of offroad and hard enduro which is nice to see.

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10/19/2019 4:52 AM
Edited Date/Time: 10/19/2019 5:10 AM

Motofinne wrote:

You can race a 250 2-stroke in the EMX250 class against the 4-strokes and about 1% of the riders race on a 2-stroke. I know you're passionate about this topic and i admire that, but i seriously think we are wasting our time discussing this.

The 2-stroke on the highest level of MX or SX racing is dead, and that isn't because of the rules, some conspiracy etc. On the other hand it thrives in the world of offroad and hard enduro which is nice to see.

I know exactly what the rules are. And, I go to a few GPs, each year,

Yes, when the majority of major manufactures only make 4ts, that's what will be raced, and won with. And, the same with the manufacturers who do make 2ts, but still mainly back their 4ts in MX. Weight of numbers etc.

And, backing of bikes goes down through to dealer level - eg, manufacturers / distributors offering far less of a 'racers discount' on their 2ts, when compared to their equivalent 4t models . It all effects the bikes we see on the start lines in State, National and International series. Hell, here in OZ a KTM 250SX has the same price as a 250SXF...... now that's just wrong. At least in the US, the more expensive bike to make, costs more than the less expensive one to make........ We do get reamed by KTM / KTHusky here in OZ.

I've no illusions about racing. It's why you'll Never read a post of mine raving about 2t domination. That's for the drongos who just don't seem to understand just how good modern 4ts are, and the overwhelming backing 4ts have, through the rules that enabled sales takeover. .

You think that 4ts would have come to the fore in Motocross, if 125 4ts had to race against 125 2ts, 250 4ts against 250 2ts, etc, from the very start of the 4t 'revolution' ?

They needed such skewed rules to make them so much better, for most riders. They have not needed the Handicap advantage for damned near One and a Half decades now.

No, I don't think there would be a wholesale change over back to 2ts with Full Equivalency, but, we might just have a bit more retention of Riders and Teams (at all levels) and better, more interesting racing, with, gradually, a more even spread of ICE types on tracks.

Oh, Jamie Dunn won an EMX250 overall at the French GP, a couple of seasons ago. You, being a Euro / Finn, surely would know that. I think, one of 2 2ts, in the class that day - or, the only one.

PS : as well as the Sainte Jean, Maggiora and 'Cute Lil Teut' (what my GF calls it) GPs, I'm hoping to come back for Lommel, with a stay in Denmark(mine) and Poland (GFs) with relos, then Uddevala and Litti-KymiRing GPs, so, I might be in your home country, next year .

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10/19/2019 6:37 AM

SD Tony you have had your balls busted with down votes for years. This is your moment in the sun! Enjoy the Day! MA800 looking good so far, he might not be a hero, but I don't think he'll be embarrassed either.

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2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart

10/19/2019 7:34 AM
Edited Date/Time: 10/19/2019 7:37 AM

Who?

Why give these turds 10 seconds of coverage?

I was so excited for mookies return but I just cant bring myself to cheer for these dinks.

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10/19/2019 8:13 AM
Edited Date/Time: 10/19/2019 9:18 AM

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Johnny Depp wrote:

SD Tony you have had your balls busted with down votes for years. This is your moment in the sun! Enjoy the Day! MA800 looking good so far, he might not be a hero, but I don't think he'll be embarrassed either.

Most guys have never, never, ridden a 300 or 325! So they don't "Feel" how much "FUN" it is to not work so hard at keeping the bike on the Power Band!

I was told years ago that there may be about 400 qty ESR 325 Kits out there, but only Eddie knows for sure. He did move from Pismo Beach, Ca, to Oregon "Coastal area" because of the Communists California Taxes and Regulations.

So I have said this before and will again, this is the Best Value MX/Off-Road Motorcycle for most people that don't want to spend massively on a "Fun Sport".

As far as people complaining about any post, I could care Less! If they want to Censor me they can get there own Platform like China and do it!
Keep in mind, "Nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them"!

Bottom line I love my bike, and any complainers can F.. Off and Die!

Lol!

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10/19/2019 12:53 PM

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10/19/2019 3:47 PM

This guy?


How soon people forget that he tried to injure someone.

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10/19/2019 3:54 PM

devotid wrote:

This guy?


How soon people forget that he tried to injure someone.

Your just a massive hater charging for attention! Your a clown dude.

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10/19/2019 4:05 PM

Everyone has done something douchey. It's no big deal. You just recognize it and own it and grow, but getting defensive is the opposite of those things.

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10/19/2019 4:23 PM
Edited Date/Time: 10/19/2019 4:24 PM

devotid wrote:

This guy?


How soon people forget that he tried to injure someone.

Dude that was like 7 years ago and he just ran into someones wheel. You act like he was one of the 9/11 hijackers.

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10/19/2019 4:41 PM

Alessi wins the LCQ! He's in the Show for history!

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2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart

10/19/2019 4:43 PM

That was incredible 💪💪

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10/19/2019 5:10 PM

Johnny Depp wrote:

Alessi wins the LCQ! He's in the Show for history!

Don't forget the holeshot

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10/19/2019 6:13 PM

SDTony YZ ESR 325 wrote: Photo
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Johnny Depp wrote:

SD Tony you have had your balls busted with down votes for years. This is your moment in the sun! Enjoy the Day! MA800 looking good so far, he might not be a hero, but I don't think he'll be embarrassed either.

SDTony YZ ESR 325 wrote:

Most guys have never, never, ridden a 300 or 325! So they don't "Feel" how much "FUN" it is to not work so hard at keeping the bike on the Power Band!

I was told years ago that there may be about 400 qty ESR 325 Kits out there, but only Eddie knows for sure. He did move from Pismo Beach, Ca, to Oregon "Coastal area" because of the Communists California Taxes and Regulations.

So I have said this before and will again, this is the Best Value MX/Off-Road Motorcycle for most people that don't want to spend massively on a "Fun Sport".

As far as people complaining about any post, I could care Less! If they want to Censor me they can get there own Platform like China and do it!
Keep in mind, "Nobody can hurt your feelings unless you let them"!

Bottom line I love my bike, and any complainers can F.. Off and Die!

Lol!

I'd love to ride one. My favs always seem to fall in the 370 to 430 range...BUT...those are a 370 Bultaco and a 430 Husky. I did have a '00 KTM 380SX and '03 Service Honda 500AF. Current modern ride is Husky TC250, its easy to ride but I'd love to try a YZ325....or a TC325 would be awesome. Brother built a SX300 and that thing was a monster, hit Mike Tyson in his prime...way too much for this old fart

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Kevin Windham‏ @kdub_14

Not 1factory racer hasnt been told that if ucan help teammate out, then do it 4 championship. Few r in a position like MM25 #partofthesport

10/19/2019 7:24 PM

Dead last on moto 1 start.

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