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I actually found the comments from JT and Matthes pretty disturbing on Monday's Pulp Show. I have a lot of respect for both these dudes, as an addicted Pulp listener from the beginning.
However, after joining in on some Jeff Alessi flogging and ridicule, JT basically said: yes, it occurred and he knew it (HGH?) but it was a decade ago so it doesn't matter. He said it doesn't really help in motocross much anyhow because it is a sport based on skill and reflexes, not strength, and he even said athletes using certain substances were "trying to better themselves." (Correct me if I'm wrong JT)
The basic message was "don't go runnin' down the reputation of pro mx just because some riders dabbled in when it was in the news a lot because of baseball." So simultaneously saying that it went on, but it no big deal, is kind of odd.
A decade ago, RC was running his last season as the most dominant rider in mx history, including ridiculous feats like lapping entire fields etc. and Jeff Alessi and Mike Alessi were a couple years into their pro careers. HGH apparently wasn't against the rules back then, IDK.
IMO, hell yeah it matters if doping was going on, especially in an era where the same pros are still collecting LARGE CHECKS from motorcycle companies based on their accomplishments. I am one fan that sat through 99% of the pro SX and outdoor races of the 90s, 2000s and 2010s. It is important to me if some were taking substances.
Also, JT and Matthes both work for (and are very loyal to) the promoter of the outdoor motocross series. I am not making any accusation about them (or RC) but this does not position them well for any investigative journalism on this issue, which they are clearly pretty much indicating they are ready to sweep under the rug. So maybe instead of participating in the public hanging of Jeff, people should be more open-minded that there is something here.
However, after joining in on some Jeff Alessi flogging and ridicule, JT basically said: yes, it occurred and he knew it (HGH?) but it was a decade ago so it doesn't matter. He said it doesn't really help in motocross much anyhow because it is a sport based on skill and reflexes, not strength, and he even said athletes using certain substances were "trying to better themselves." (Correct me if I'm wrong JT)
The basic message was "don't go runnin' down the reputation of pro mx just because some riders dabbled in when it was in the news a lot because of baseball." So simultaneously saying that it went on, but it no big deal, is kind of odd.
A decade ago, RC was running his last season as the most dominant rider in mx history, including ridiculous feats like lapping entire fields etc. and Jeff Alessi and Mike Alessi were a couple years into their pro careers. HGH apparently wasn't against the rules back then, IDK.
IMO, hell yeah it matters if doping was going on, especially in an era where the same pros are still collecting LARGE CHECKS from motorcycle companies based on their accomplishments. I am one fan that sat through 99% of the pro SX and outdoor races of the 90s, 2000s and 2010s. It is important to me if some were taking substances.
Also, JT and Matthes both work for (and are very loyal to) the promoter of the outdoor motocross series. I am not making any accusation about them (or RC) but this does not position them well for any investigative journalism on this issue, which they are clearly pretty much indicating they are ready to sweep under the rug. So maybe instead of participating in the public hanging of Jeff, people should be more open-minded that there is something here.
The Shop
Furthermore, if it wasn't being monitored 10 years ago then ANYONE could have had that (slight) advantage if they chose to. Just because someone didn't, doesn't make the person who used wrong as there was no rules to prevent it.
Repeat process for the first Outdoor National!
“IF” they really cared about cheating!
My guess is it’s more like the government and cigarettes, throw out enough stuff to have the appearance of caring but make a butt load of cash off the taxes!
Pit Row
Consequently, why would you try that when there is such testing in the sport and when you look at our top guys, none of them appear to be some machines without flaws so why couldn't you accept that there's no way PED's are running around the pits like Jeff says they are. Are there dudes breaking the rules? Probably but there's no way I believe it's a huge issue in the sport. In talks with riders now, ex-riders who had these elite trainers, teams, the trainers themselves, I just don't see it being so widespread.
Getting huge wouldn't help a racer out as we've all detailed and any of the blood doping stuff that I've read about and talked to people about is too expensive, takes too much knowledge from chemists/trainers that only the top guys could afford it. And back to the top guys getting tested randomly throughout the season to take that risk.
As far as us working for the promoter of the MX series, any listener of mine knows that I think and have said over and over that there should be random motorhome checks for IV's at the nationals (although really, the amount of motorhomes are WAY down from where they once were). I asked someone in power about that one time and they told me it's private property and you couldn't enforce that.
I'm just not sure why the sport that has WADA and USADA testing (agencies that are accepted worldwide to be the best) in it is STILL being called into question as being some drug-fueled race to pump the best drugs into your system? Like, what else could be done by "the sport" to stop the guys IF, and it's a big if, they wanted to cheat?
I know some bastard podium guy sexually harassed a Monster/Rockstar Girl and when THAT comes out there is gonna be Hell to pay.
I outlined something they could do in my previous post. Establish a baseline at the beginning of the year for everyone and then random test after that.
MX Sports has made a noble attempt to police it. It is wasted money. Look what JS7's ruling did to the sport, and imagine a bunch of people being outed. The upside of testing is not worth the risk of a bombshell announcement for the promoter's and teams. The Weinstein theory, when you open the floodgates it get's out of control real fast. Take that away from the ones that want to out everyone, make it legal. These are adult professional athletes, and the "proof" of long term damage doesn't exist, and it is a risk they might be willing to take anyway for millions.
Damn whiskey, how'd it get me to comment on this garbage.
Ps respect to all that can type out this shit on their phones with no errors...
Edit to add. I do believe that MX sports/Feld are doing what they can, it's just the simple principle of staying ahead of the curve. Which without, there would never be advancement, in anything.
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Racer X
The sport currently employs the gold standard of testing in line with the rest of the sporting world, what more are they expected to do right now?
Im sure there were people competing enhanced back in the day, and im sure people are exploring the avenues in which to push the boundaries to this day.
What I don't understand is how anybody could possibly feel like Jeff Alessi is the person with the credibility and clout in the industry to bring this all to a head. No matter how correct or factual the message may be, people are always going to be skeptical based on the person delivering it.
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