Marv vs Tomac @ 'Dilla

I hope he keeps the championship in mind over beating Marv.

Hope someone punts eli3 for being to soft to go to Mxon.....

jorgechavez wrote:

I think we might be in for a good race boys, don't think Eli was too happy with losing at Washougal and obviously Marv just wants to win as many of these things as he can. I will say though I'm a little scared for Tomac at Unadilla, and I have no facts to back this up but it seems to me that for whatever reason Tomac seems to struggle in long deep ruts as of late (Thunder Valley, Millville) and Unadilla will have no shortage of those.

Marvin is historically great at Unadilla and coming off 4 straight moto wins I'm not sure he's looking to stop any time soon.

Interested in hearing your thoughts and I can't wait for next Saturday!

Not gonna lie.

It seemed like on the Honda he was better in ruts and rough stuff and sucked on hardpack.

Seems to be the opposite on the Kawi.

DPR250R wrote:

I hope he keeps the championship in mind over beating Marv.

Oh how the tables have turned...

jorgechavez wrote:

I think we might be in for a good race boys, don't think Eli was too happy with losing at Washougal and obviously Marv just wants to win as many of these things as he can. I will say though I'm a little scared for Tomac at Unadilla, and I have no facts to back this up but it seems to me that for whatever reason Tomac seems to struggle in long deep ruts as of late (Thunder Valley, Millville) and Unadilla will have no shortage of those.

Marvin is historically great at Unadilla and coming off 4 straight moto wins I'm not sure he's looking to stop any time soon.

Interested in hearing your thoughts and I can't wait for next Saturday!

Crush wrote:

Not gonna lie.

It seemed like on the Honda he was better in ruts and rough stuff and sucked on hardpack.

Seems to be the opposite on the Kawi.

I agree, honestly to me it seems like he hasn't been the same outdoors since getting on that Kawi, SX he was obviously better but I still have yet to see something similar to Hangtown 2015.

struth wrote:

Hope someone punts eli3 for being to soft to go to Mxon.....

ROFL

jorgechavez wrote:

I think we might be in for a good race boys, don't think Eli was too happy with losing at Washougal and obviously Marv just wants to win as many of these things as he can. I will say though I'm a little scared for Tomac at Unadilla, and I have no facts to back this up but it seems to me that for whatever reason Tomac seems to struggle in long deep ruts as of late (Thunder Valley, Millville) and Unadilla will have no shortage of those.

Marvin is historically great at Unadilla and coming off 4 straight moto wins I'm not sure he's looking to stop any time soon.

Interested in hearing your thoughts and I can't wait for next Saturday!

Crush wrote:

Not gonna lie.

It seemed like on the Honda he was better in ruts and rough stuff and sucked on hardpack.

Seems to be the opposite on the Kawi.

Crush, how many rutty nasty races did he win in supercross?

Johnny Ringo wrote:

Crush, how many rutty nasty races did he win in supercross?

Probably a couple, but he NEVER had a problem in ruts before and he has had quite a few races where he hasn't seemed himself this year and each time it was rutty...

And he was washing the front on hardpack on the red bike in 14/15...

And he flat out worked Roczen on hardpack Washagoul last year on the Kawi and was lights out each time it was slick in SX this year too.

jorgechavez wrote:

I think we might be in for a good race boys, don't think Eli was too happy with losing at Washougal and obviously Marv just wants to win as many of these things as he can. I will say though I'm a little scared for Tomac at Unadilla, and I have no facts to back this up but it seems to me that for whatever reason Tomac seems to struggle in long deep ruts as of late (Thunder Valley, Millville) and Unadilla will have no shortage of those.

Marvin is historically great at Unadilla and coming off 4 straight moto wins I'm not sure he's looking to stop any time soon.

Interested in hearing your thoughts and I can't wait for next Saturday!

Crush wrote:

Not gonna lie.

It seemed like on the Honda he was better in ruts and rough stuff and sucked on hardpack.

Seems to be the opposite on the Kawi.

jorgechavez wrote:

I agree, honestly to me it seems like he hasn't been the same outdoors since getting on that Kawi, SX he was obviously better but I still have yet to see something similar to Hangtown 2015.

The Honda almost cost him his career with wadding both shoulders........

Crush wrote:

Not gonna lie.

It seemed like on the Honda he was better in ruts and rough stuff and sucked on hardpack.

Seems to be the opposite on the Kawi.

Johnny Ringo wrote:

Crush, how many rutty nasty races did he win in supercross?

Crush wrote:

Probably a couple, but he NEVER had a problem in ruts before and he has had quite a few races where he hasn't seemed himself this year and each time it was rutty...

And he was washing the front on hardpack on the red bike in 14/15...

And he flat out worked Roczen on hardpack Washagoul last year on the Kawi and was lights out each time it was slick in SX this year too.

Maybe he doesn't want to wadd up his shoulders again? So he is slowing down more than he used to?

Crush wrote:

Not gonna lie.

It seemed like on the Honda he was better in ruts and rough stuff and sucked on hardpack.

Seems to be the opposite on the Kawi.

jorgechavez wrote:

I agree, honestly to me it seems like he hasn't been the same outdoors since getting on that Kawi, SX he was obviously better but I still have yet to see something similar to Hangtown 2015.

kkawboy14 wrote:

The Honda almost cost him his career with wadding both shoulders........

Like the Kawasaki ended Villopoto's career?

jorgechavez wrote:

I agree, honestly to me it seems like he hasn't been the same outdoors since getting on that Kawi, SX he was obviously better but I still have yet to see something similar to Hangtown 2015.

kkawboy14 wrote:

The Honda almost cost him his career with wadding both shoulders........

Dan-The-Man wrote:

Like the Kawasaki ended Villopoto's career?

Yes!

Also don't forget Tomac was putting down faster laps at Unadilla on his CRF250 than Villopoto. He can rip at Unadilla but I'll agree with some and say the Kawi seems to climb out of ruts alot this year.

Crush wrote:

Not gonna lie.

It seemed like on the Honda he was better in ruts and rough stuff and sucked on hardpack.

Seems to be the opposite on the Kawi.

Johnny Ringo wrote:

Crush, how many rutty nasty races did he win in supercross?

Crush wrote:

Probably a couple, but he NEVER had a problem in ruts before and he has had quite a few races where he hasn't seemed himself this year and each time it was rutty...

And he was washing the front on hardpack on the red bike in 14/15...

And he flat out worked Roczen on hardpack Washagoul last year on the Kawi and was lights out each time it was slick in SX this year too.

Been thinking the same thing for a while now. The deep, clay ruts seem to be his nemesis now.