Macadoo - If you cause a red flag should you be allowed to line up?

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4/13/2021 11:20pm Edited Date/Time 4/13/2021 11:36pm
Every time someone involved in the sport says rider safety is important and taken seriously i chuckle. McAdoo raced with the same helmet that he plowed into the bridge jump? Yeah safety is soooo important in the world of supercross. Whistling

Anyways, gnarly ride from him. He's only 9 points down! Anything can happen with the East/West shootout still to be raced.
As for the people who think he shouldn't have raced (i understand both arguments and he did get lucky that he was able to race), turn your complaints to the officials and not McAdoo.
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4/13/2021 11:26pm
Holy shit this place is sad. You people wouldn't last in the old days of MX/SX.



If you can line up....you race.


....mad respect to Wackers. That is one TOUGH freaking kid. I can't believe he lined up after that.

Inspirational... Even bigger fan of the kid now.
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4/13/2021 11:32pm
100% no questioning his bad ass-ness. I don't think anybody believes McAdoo to have personally done anything wrong.

But gotta agree with logic. First and foremost, dude makes a mistake on his own (as in not another rider's fault), is on the deck long enough to have the field lap him, potentially twice without the red flag (before he tries getting up), but still gets given a chance to redeem himself on an even playing field with the restart. If he has the same scale of crash nearly anywhere else on the track, he sits on the sidelines for 2 laps collecting himself before getting going. Potentially even DNF's. Either way he's not in the points. That's how I'm looking at this.

Again, tough as nails and mega props to him to lining back up, no questioning that.
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4/14/2021 1:06am
In flat track, if you cause the red in the first turn, and can get up, you start on back row...
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4/14/2021 1:32am
Was his bike legal to start the race, no, it did not have a required front number plate.
Was the bike legal weight after the race ( less the front number plate) ??
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4/14/2021 1:33am
No one wants to ruin a good story, and this was a heroic ride.

The real issue I see is the helmet thing. In F1 drivers have accelerometres to measure impact forces ion crashes and stuff. It'd be interesting to know what force when through this lid. There's no way he should have rejoined with that lid after that kind of impact.
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4/14/2021 1:34am
AP_151 wrote:
The fact this thread exists so soon after witnessing such an act of pure badassery... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/04/13/487670/s1200_668DFFA0_1CA3_43CC_A474_894AA195FD15.jpg[/img]
The fact this thread exists so soon after witnessing such an act of pure badassery...


Exactly. Guy put one of the most impressive rides I’ve seen in the last few years and yet still we have people bitching about it. He was in a tough spot for the medical crew to get help, so that could have been another reason to red flag. The only thing in this situation is that he should have had, was a new helmet for the restart.


Oh, and a new set of pants because he had the biggest balls to send it in the first corner like that, almost holeshot it Pinch . What a warrior.
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4/14/2021 1:39am
Alan Dove wrote:
No one wants to ruin a good story, and this was a heroic ride. The real issue I see is the helmet thing. In F1 drivers...
No one wants to ruin a good story, and this was a heroic ride.

The real issue I see is the helmet thing. In F1 drivers have accelerometres to measure impact forces ion crashes and stuff. It'd be interesting to know what force when through this lid. There's no way he should have rejoined with that lid after that kind of impact.
I agree that helmet condition was not measurable, therefore deemed unsafe.
Did he actually start with the same helmet though?
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4/14/2021 1:52am
Was his bike legal to start the race, no, it did not have a required front number plate. Was the bike legal weight after the race...
Was his bike legal to start the race, no, it did not have a required front number plate.
Was the bike legal weight after the race ( less the front number plate) ??
AMA Rule 14A page 24, all motorcycles must be fitted with 3 number plates.
He should be disqualified, period.
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4/14/2021 2:03am
Was his bike legal to start the race, no, it did not have a required front number plate. Was the bike legal weight after the race...
Was his bike legal to start the race, no, it did not have a required front number plate.
Was the bike legal weight after the race ( less the front number plate) ??
AMA Rule 14A page 24, all motorcycles must be fitted with 3 number plates.
He should be disqualified, period.
Lol, you've got to be kidding right?
4/14/2021 2:14am
Was his bike legal to start the race, no, it did not have a required front number plate. Was the bike legal weight after the race...
Was his bike legal to start the race, no, it did not have a required front number plate.
Was the bike legal weight after the race ( less the front number plate) ??
AMA Rule 14A page 24, all motorcycles must be fitted with 3 number plates.
He should be disqualified, period.
Cortami79 wrote:
Lol, you've got to be kidding right?
No im not kidding, rules are rules.
Having said that, I was more concerned that they let him ride after such a big impact, it looked horrific.
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4/14/2021 2:24am
I get that it's not in the rules but, they HAD to throw the red flag cause HE crashed and went down a lap because HE was too injured to get off the track safely with out help.. How anyone thinks it's cool to just let him start the race again after the race was stopped because of that is beyond me..

Even though it was an amazing ride that showed incredible bravery, grit and determination
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4/14/2021 2:25am
No im not kidding, rules are rules. Having said that, I was more concerned that they let him ride after such a big impact, it looked...
No im not kidding, rules are rules.
Having said that, I was more concerned that they let him ride after such a big impact, it looked horrific.
Rules are rules.. You sound like the kid that would sit in the front of the class and snitch everyone. He started the original main with 3 number plates. If he didn't start with an exhaust it would be another story.
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4/14/2021 2:45am Edited Date/Time 4/14/2021 2:49am
I agree that helmet condition was not measurable, therefore deemed unsafe.
Did he actually start with the same helmet though?
The medical examination took place with a lid that was covered in dirt. So we can assume it hadn't been replaced by then. If they allowed him to race without an examination of the helmet (assuming he did), that's a big problem.

I presume a spare lid would have to come from the pits and get through all the paddock. I don't know how long the gap was between the crash and the restart.


I am very sympathetic to the notion of 'let em ride' because once governing bodies start introducing more and more struct safety measures, then they end up strangling your sport (kinda what happened to mine). So I won't go as far as to say he shouldn't have ridden. But if your checking someone for concussion and not checking their lid... then yeah, that's a bit weird. I will give the benefit of the doubt and assume he had a new one on.
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4/14/2021 2:50am
JMR5 wrote:
He just said in the interview that his leg hurt so bad he couldn't get up to walk off the jump like they wanted him too...
He just said in the interview that his leg hurt so bad he couldn't get up to walk off the jump like they wanted him too. If you can't get off the track or on your bike under your own power, then it doesn't seem like you should be able to line back up in the same lap as everyone else. Like others have said, not taking anything away from a tough young guy making a gutsy ride, just doesn't seem appropriate.
Yeah absolutely right, anyone in his position will want to and try to race if allowed so it’s not about Macadoo- full respect to his effort.
It’s the AMA that has to make the decision. There is a rule for making a mistake, going off track and gaining an advantage isn’t there?? So what’s the penalty for a catastrophic mistake causing a Restart?? He essentially lost all positions..
Nate Thrasher missed out on a podium bonus because of it too so who is chipping in to cover that?
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4/14/2021 2:57am
Red flag doesn't mean cant ride.it means split second decision that it could be hard to recover a downed rider and keep him safe.
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4/14/2021 3:08am
People saying mcadoo didn’t put the red flag out so it’s not his fault so he should be allowed to race, that’s like saying a boxer doesn’t throw a towel in the ring himself so he shouldn’t lose the boxing match.
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4/14/2021 3:51am
No im not kidding, rules are rules. Having said that, I was more concerned that they let him ride after such a big impact, it looked...
No im not kidding, rules are rules.
Having said that, I was more concerned that they let him ride after such a big impact, it looked horrific.
Cortami79 wrote:
Rules are rules.. You sound like the kid that would sit in the front of the class and snitch everyone. He started the original main with...
Rules are rules.. You sound like the kid that would sit in the front of the class and snitch everyone. He started the original main with 3 number plates. If he didn't start with an exhaust it would be another story.
As you said rules are the rules, so there is no need to dispute them.
There is also no need to be "that kid" and make a childish personal attack on my comments.
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It’s cute nobody wants to hold little Cameron accountable for his mistake. Thank god they pulled the red flag cause he got to have a full restart and get out of jail free card. If he flipped off the side of the track where they wouldn’t red flag he would have lost this championship, thank god he landed where he did he made out like a bandit!!!!
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I guess whoever is second in points and gets a bad start from now on can “crash” in an awkward spot the medical mule can’t get to or stay laying down on a face of a triple and not be able to get up and then he can slowly start to feel better again and get a second chance at getting a better start.
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4/14/2021 4:55am
If I'm one of the guys in a title fight separated by only a few points I now know if I get a bad start I can plant my bike on the over under, pretend I have a "cramp", lay motionless on the track for a few seconds, be escorted by 2 medics down the takeoff, have a few minutes to get my wits, plead my case, and be allowed to restart. Essentially a re-do. There is absolutely NO WAY to prove that you did or didn't do it on purpose. Especially if you make it look good, and make contact with another rider. Hopefully they get the rule modified to clear up any gray area in the future. Absolutely no reason he should have been allowed to restart on the same lap as everyone that was still racing after the incident that caused the red flag. What McAdoo did tonight was amazing, but the outcome was a slap in the face to everyone that finished the main behind him. Absolutely no way he gets up, gets cleared by the medic(because he was mostionless for a few seconds),gets his bike straightened out, remounts, restarts, and finishes on the same lap as most of the field. Maybe and I stress maybe, he gets to 15th or so, but I doubt it.
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4/14/2021 5:15am
I votes no, but then again I hit restart all the time when I wad up on the first lap on the Supercross game so who am I to judge.
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4/14/2021 6:43am Edited Date/Time 4/14/2021 6:43am
mx196 wrote:
It’s cute nobody wants to hold little Cameron accountable for his mistake. Thank god they pulled the red flag cause he got to have a full...
It’s cute nobody wants to hold little Cameron accountable for his mistake. Thank god they pulled the red flag cause he got to have a full restart and get out of jail free card. If he flipped off the side of the track where they wouldn’t red flag he would have lost this championship, thank god he landed where he did he made out like a bandit!!!!
Give it a rest, Justin.
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4/14/2021 6:45am
AMA Rule 14A page 24, all motorcycles must be fitted with 3 number plates.
He should be disqualified, period.
Cortami79 wrote:
Lol, you've got to be kidding right?
No im not kidding, rules are rules. Having said that, I was more concerned that they let him ride after such a big impact, it looked...
No im not kidding, rules are rules.
Having said that, I was more concerned that they let him ride after such a big impact, it looked horrific.
He did start with three number plates. A restart is different.
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4/14/2021 6:57am
Start him backwards on the gate. There should be some consequence after a crash like that where you absolutely would have re-entered the race in last place if given the chance. The whole Red flag thing is because they couldn't get him off the top of the jump safely.
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4/14/2021 7:06am
swizcore wrote:
The more nefarious question this raises is, what happens if the teammate of a rider in the title chase, who gets a shit-start, were to "cause...
The more nefarious question this raises is, what happens if the teammate of a rider in the title chase, who gets a shit-start, were to "cause a red flag"?

I don't see this happening but it makes far more sense than a rider augering himself to achieve the same result.
huckabuck wrote:
now teammates are intentionally lawn darting themselves... who would actually make that call? And the better question, who would actually commit to that? Hey Swiz, we...
now teammates are intentionally lawn darting themselves... who would actually make that call? And the better question, who would actually commit to that? Hey Swiz, we are going to need you drop the front wheel in the whoops and rag doll yourself. make sure it looks good so they throw the red flag. Come on dude.

I can’t believe people are whining about a gutsy ride. I haven’t seen a ride like that since AC popped his shoulder back in or CR22 after the chadapult. As fans that’s the stuff we root for an want to see. Guys laying it all on the line gutting out rides, not disqualifying him because it work out in his favor. Plus now the championship is close with 2 mains left. Who really wants to see JC win by 30 plus points.

Ya’ll are killing me
I haven't seen one person argue that Macadoo was not a complete badass to get up and race, or that his ride was one of the...
I haven't seen one person argue that Macadoo was not a complete badass to get up and race, or that his ride was one of the best we've seen based on his horrible crash. I don't think anyone would argue this...even the worst of the vitards would agree.

However, what people are objecting to is giving Mulligan's in racing. In other words, you shouldn't get a free gimee if you hit your ball in the lake. That's basically what happened tonight no matter how badass Macadoo was or how impressive his ride was.


Hold my beer Bob, I’ll 🔝 that no problem.
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4/14/2021 7:10am
Anybody that thinks he shouldn't have been allowed to race because he could have been a danger to the other riders has ingested toxic levels of propaganda over that past year. The medics checked him out. The kid is a warrior.
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4/14/2021 7:10am Edited Date/Time 4/14/2021 7:15am
He’s tough
He’s gritty
He’s a gamer
He’s Moto
He’s bad ass

He 100% should NOT have been allowed to re-start. It’s a race. You can’t make a massive mistake then be allowed to re-join at an equal level.

It’s setting a dangerous precedent where we will have championship contenders lay across the track in hopes for a re-start if shit goes sideways.

I would be pissed If I was Cooper or Lawrence. However, you can’t blame him. The rules allowed it. Don’t hate the player, hate the rules of the game.

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Berm wrote:
The rules from the rulebook: https://www.amasupercross.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/2020-AMA-Supercross-Rulebook.pdf The note in bold is only in the section about the race being stopped with 3 laps completed. This note...
The rules from the rulebook: https://www.amasupercross.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/2020-AMA-Super…

The note in bold is only in the section about the race being stopped with 3 laps completed. This note does not exist in the section if the race is stopped before 3 laps are complete.

pg 35-36:
b. The race is stopped (with 3 laps completed by the leader and
less than 90% of the total distance completed by the race
leader, rounded down to the nearest whole number of laps /
whether it be a Heat, Last Chance Qualifier or Main Event).
1. A red flag will be displayed to the riders.
PROCEDURES
RACE RULES &
,,,
6. Riders will be restarted from a staggered standing start in
the starting area.
...
g. Riders who were no longer actively participating in race at
the time when the red flag was displayed are not
authorized to take part in the restart.



This is found in the general offenses and penalties.

pg 57: 20. Causing or attempting to cause a race to be stopped. At
the sole discretion of Race Direction, a rider who is judged
to have intentionally caused a red flag may be excluded
from restarting the event in question.



So, by the rules, he would not be barred from restarting for being the cause of the red-flag (since the race had fewer than 3 laps complete & he did not intentionally cause the red flag).
So thats clear then , he should not have been in the restart The 3 laps thing determines the type of restart, not who is in it. He wasnt running when the red flag came out , he is done.
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