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3/5/2019 2:10pm
Coldenhoff... 17-18 and 19th overall, lapped. More than 5 seconds a lap off the pace...

Surprise or expected? Why?
3/5/2019 2:17pm
Press516 wrote:
Coldenhoff... 17-18 and 19th overall, lapped. More than 5 seconds a lap off the pace...

Surprise or expected? Why?
Big off just before Christmas, injured wrist & several vertebrae.
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3/5/2019 2:18pm
Press516 wrote:
Coldenhoff... 17-18 and 19th overall, lapped. More than 5 seconds a lap off the pace...

Surprise or expected? Why?
I don't know if you missed that he had a huge crash in the middle of December at Lommel. He had almost 0 hours on the bike before Argentina, that result was expected unfortunately.

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3/5/2019 3:05pm
That was a horrible, horrible crash!!!

That would explain his results. I hope he gets back to Mxdn form.

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3/5/2019 7:59pm
Press516 wrote:
Coldenhoff... 17-18 and 19th overall, lapped. More than 5 seconds a lap off the pace...

Surprise or expected? Why?
Motofinne wrote:
I don't know if you missed that he had a huge crash in the middle of December at Lommel. He had almost 0 hours on the...
I don't know if you missed that he had a huge crash in the middle of December at Lommel. He had almost 0 hours on the bike before Argentina, that result was expected unfortunately.

Thanks, I did miss it. He's normally a top 5 guy... MXoN was an anomaly, but barely top 20 is not to be expected.
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3/5/2019 9:30pm
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Some really great racing yesterday. And man , that pic above does not look good at all , and really hope this didn't just put him...
Some really great racing yesterday. And man , that pic above does not look good at all , and really hope this didn't just put him out for the year. He was just getting back on form and looked good.

In the 250's , Jorge is just an animal , plain and simple. That Evan's kid is definitely the real deal. TKO looked really , really good too. And I'm convinced that Jacobi is a Tasmanian devil / human hybrid mix of some type , because that kid is one aggressive riding SOB haha. He uses so much energy when he rides that his cardio and strength program must be insane , to be able to ride like that the entire moto sheeesh!
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Love your Tasmanian devil analogy, since I’m from tassie ?
It was that or a Honey Badger haha! Either way , Jacobi is a fun dude to watch. Laughing
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3/6/2019 2:38am
The guys from MX Vice also had an interview with JVH on Sundayevening: (https://mxvice.com/103588/chatter-box-van-horebeek)

Jeremy Van Horebeek was undoubtedly the biggest surprise at round one of the 2019 FIM Motocross World Championship, the Grand Prix of Patagonia-Argentina, as he came in underprepared on a privateer Honda and still landed on the premier-class podium. Questions were then raised about the quality of the CRF450R between his legs, so it seemed necessary to gather answers in the form of this MX Vice interview from Neuquen.

MX Vice: Obviously two months ago you did not even think you would be here. To land on the podium, run up front and prove that you still have the pace to achieve whatever you want… This must be a mind-blowing experience and one of the most special performances of your career.


Jeremy Van Horebeek: Yeah, it is one of the most special days of my life. I did many podiums and stuff. This one is out of the blue though. It is one of the favourites. Until two weeks ago we did not know what to do, because after Le Touquet we spoke about whether it was possible. We did not have the budget. Josse Sallefranque, the team manager, started phoning sponsors and we found the budget to do the whole season, so we said let's do this journey. I did not have the best preparation. I rode with the bike a lot for Le Touquet, but it is different. The high intensity was tough for me today and yesterday. I was a bit lucky today, but we finally pulled it together. It is one of the most beautiful days of my life, so I am happy. I am stoked.

Training for a beach race is completely different and there is a lot of sand riding. I am sure that even in the gym it is a bit different. Did you continue to kind of keep an eye on motocross just in case something like this came up? Did you occasionally go and ride a hard-pack track or anything like that?

No, not at all. The only thing that I did before Le Touquet was I started to do physical training just a little bit, then I got the news from him. Le Touquet was a lot of endurance. We did two or three hours a day of riding, but the intensity was twenty heart rates more. Le Touquet is easier compared to this one. Even if it is longer, it is easier, and then after Le Touquet I did a few days of riding and then everything had to go in the crate. No testing, nothing. We had factory suspension from KYB, but still all of that is not on point. Today it was good, but I was still not in the comfort. I had to be careful, so I think we can only make steps forward now if we keep working. It is good.

You have got that factory suspension. Are there any other trick parts on your bike? Did Honda help you out at all or have you just got a stock engine?

It is A-kit suspension from factory. It is not like the real factory one, but it is good enough. We buy parts from Pro Circuit, just a little bit of parts, but my engine is not special at all. I am actually a bit soft in my third gear, so we have to work on this a little bit. It is not a big deal. It is crazy. The factory teams, they put so much money into those bikes. I think my bike is not even half the price of the factory one. What can I say? It is wonderful. I hope we can keep going and going. It will be a wonderful season.

With rides like this, are you hoping to put pressure on Honda to help you out a bit more? Is that the goal, to just get more and more help as the season goes on?

The problem is, we have only got support from Honda France. We asked Honda Europe and they did not want to do anything. They had an offer for me to ride the English Championship, but that is not what I want. It is a bit strange that they did not want to help me out. Even after today, if they want to start to help me, I will still just be with my team manager and stay here. What he did for me is so nice and so respectful. Maybe it will open some doors, but anyway we have to see. We'll see.

Not to go too much into it, but obviously as a factory rider you were paid a lot of money and had a lot of benefits. Being in this privateer set-up, are you sacrificing a lot in that respect?


Yeah, a little bit. Motocross is my heart. It does not matter. I am not the money guy, but you just have to have a kind of respect for the risks we are taking. You cannot go riding for €100,000. If you do results like that, you cannot. It is ridiculous. I do not care what they say about it. If you see guys like [Gautier] Paulin, they make a lot of money. It is not that they are much better. Some days they will be better, but some days they will be worse. I think we are kind of a similar level. I do not understand the system, but anyway it is what it is. I am thankful for everybody who helped me and everybody who is part of this. We keep going.

I guess that is one thing: Finding motivation is not hard at all, because just to show everyone who did not want to help you out or gave up on you that you can still do it must be pretty sweet.

Yeah, I am motivated, but it is not that I am super motivated. I am just doing my job and what I love. For sure, I want to be in front of those factory riders. I know I can do it. I know some people already think we made a mistake, but at the end of the day we have to stay safe and enjoy this moment. Keep working too, because it is a tough season. Today was a wonderful day, but it does not mean that England will be as good. You can have bad days, crashes and everything. We will stay focused with feet on the ground and keep working.

Keeping with that theme, going back to Europe, is there anything that you feel like you need to work on with the bike or even yourself, seeing as you were not ready to come here?

Yeah. I have a lot of work to do. My endurance is really good, but my intensity is not good enough. We did not work for it. Normally you spend three weeks in Spain or Italy doing sprints and motos. I was in France, in the sand, and just doing endurance, like long motos at an easy pace. That is definitely one point. We have to work on the bike too, because you cannot make a bike in two weeks. Even if I was on the podium, I had some struggles on the track. We keep working on this and we will see what happens.

Just one more quick thing: You did not have a factory motor and, like you said, it is not special. Did you struggle with power anywhere out there? Your starts were good, but then I guess you needed a lot of power to get through the waves alongside the factory guys?


At this point, the only thing that I think is like my third gear is not as strong as it should be. That is where I think those factory engines have the difference. If they are in third gear, they make more meters. That is the only thing.

Interview: Lewis Phillips
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3/6/2019 3:45am
Here's Tony congratulating Van Horebeek for his great result, he shouted "bravo Jerre!", he was clearly happy to see Jerre back to where he deserve to be.
This is great for the sport, guys being friends and helping each other out.


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3/6/2019 5:51pm
CoccoBill wrote:
Here's Tony congratulating Van Horebeek for his great result, he shouted "bravo Jerre!", he was clearly happy to see Jerre back to where he deserve to...
Here's Tony congratulating Van Horebeek for his great result, he shouted "bravo Jerre!", he was clearly happy to see Jerre back to where he deserve to be.
This is great for the sport, guys being friends and helping each other out.


Man that was so cool! Now whenever I see a picture or video of Van Horebeek I can't help but say 'ay bravo Jerre' out loud in a probably slightly offensive Italian accent haha

Anyway my favourite moment of 2019 so far
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3/6/2019 5:58pm Edited Date/Time 3/6/2019 5:59pm
themrtoad wrote:
So it seems we may already have lost both Febvre and Nagl. Romains foot doesn’t look happy in the picture. Great ride by AC. Seewer must...
So it seems we may already have lost both Febvre and Nagl. Romains foot doesn’t look happy in the picture. Great ride by AC. Seewer must have some problems, expected a lot more from him
If this was supercross it would be chalked up to “deathcross” striking again. We havent had any serious injuries besides Malcolm during a race this year... knock on wood. Its a dangerous sport, has been, is, and will be, outdoors and in. Thats just the reality of the sport.
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3/6/2019 8:41pm
themrtoad wrote:
So it seems we may already have lost both Febvre and Nagl. Romains foot doesn’t look happy in the picture. Great ride by AC. Seewer must...
So it seems we may already have lost both Febvre and Nagl. Romains foot doesn’t look happy in the picture. Great ride by AC. Seewer must have some problems, expected a lot more from him
drt410 wrote:
If this was supercross it would be chalked up to “deathcross” striking again. We havent had any serious injuries besides Malcolm during a race this year...
If this was supercross it would be chalked up to “deathcross” striking again. We havent had any serious injuries besides Malcolm during a race this year... knock on wood. Its a dangerous sport, has been, is, and will be, outdoors and in. Thats just the reality of the sport.
Broken ankle is different then seperating your insides from where they belong and breaking your hip on each side.
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3/7/2019 4:01pm
Cairoli rode like he had to have the 1-1 and start up 50 on Herlings. Will be interesting if he returns to the series at Matterley Basin.
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3/8/2019 2:54am
From the mxvice interview linked a couple of posts above:
Not to go too much into it, but obviously as a factory rider you were paid a lot of money and had a lot of benefits. Being in this privateer set-up, are you sacrificing a lot in that respect?

Yeah, a little bit. Motocross is my heart. It does not matter. I am not the money guy, but you just have to have a kind of respect for the risks we are taking. You cannot go riding for €100,000. If you do results like that, you cannot. It is ridiculous. I do not care what they say about it.

Does he imply he had offers for 100k salary from factory teams and rejected it, or am i misunderstanding this?
3/8/2019 5:16am
roninho wrote:
From the mxvice interview linked a couple of posts above: [quote]Not to go too much into it, but obviously as a factory rider you were paid...
From the mxvice interview linked a couple of posts above:
Not to go too much into it, but obviously as a factory rider you were paid a lot of money and had a lot of benefits. Being in this privateer set-up, are you sacrificing a lot in that respect?

Yeah, a little bit. Motocross is my heart. It does not matter. I am not the money guy, but you just have to have a kind of respect for the risks we are taking. You cannot go riding for €100,000. If you do results like that, you cannot. It is ridiculous. I do not care what they say about it.

Does he imply he had offers for 100k salary from factory teams and rejected it, or am i misunderstanding this?
sounds like ..
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3/8/2019 6:09am
I think Strijbos rides for around 100.000e at JWR but the salary isn’t just payed by the team but also other sponsors
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3/8/2019 6:14am
How is it that Cairoli had six or seven riders on the grid (Maybe the wild cards) to the outside? When he would have to be the last one, the one that was more outside, and that in the two motos?
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ruy wrote:
How is it that Cairoli had six or seven riders on the grid (Maybe the wild cards) to the outside? When he would have to be...
How is it that Cairoli had six or seven riders on the grid (Maybe the wild cards) to the outside? When he would have to be the last one, the one that was more outside, and that in the two motos?
Local riders gave him their spot, not to add damage to what he already had.
They would have had no advantage and would even find themselves squeezed between the pro riders
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3/8/2019 7:21am Edited Date/Time 3/8/2019 7:24am
If they do not want to be mixed among the professionals, they have not come to compete.

Being in a better position at the gate is always advantage

I would never have given him my place on the grill, only if they talk to me before and they ask me, and I do not think so, and if I was the last one before Cairoli and I see the site that they have left for him, that free site will I occupy myself.

  We are riders, not little sisters of charity

With that way of thinking, they should also have let others start ahead

When that's what it's about, it's about trying to get ahead and be there as long as possible.
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3/8/2019 7:34am
ruy wrote:
If they do not want to be mixed among the professionals, they have not come to compete. Being in a better position at the gate is...
If they do not want to be mixed among the professionals, they have not come to compete.

Being in a better position at the gate is always advantage

I would never have given him my place on the grill, only if they talk to me before and they ask me, and I do not think so, and if I was the last one before Cairoli and I see the site that they have left for him, that free site will I occupy myself.

  We are riders, not little sisters of charity

With that way of thinking, they should also have let others start ahead

When that's what it's about, it's about trying to get ahead and be there as long as possible.
I agree totally, why would any pro rider give up a spot for anyone else.
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3/8/2019 7:34am
ruy wrote:
If they do not want to be mixed among the professionals, they have not come to compete. Being in a better position at the gate is...
If they do not want to be mixed among the professionals, they have not come to compete.

Being in a better position at the gate is always advantage

I would never have given him my place on the grill, only if they talk to me before and they ask me, and I do not think so, and if I was the last one before Cairoli and I see the site that they have left for him, that free site will I occupy myself.

  We are riders, not little sisters of charity

With that way of thinking, they should also have let others start ahead

When that's what it's about, it's about trying to get ahead and be there as long as possible.
I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with ruy
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3/8/2019 7:55am
ruy wrote:
If they do not want to be mixed among the professionals, they have not come to compete. Being in a better position at the gate is...
If they do not want to be mixed among the professionals, they have not come to compete.

Being in a better position at the gate is always advantage

I would never have given him my place on the grill, only if they talk to me before and they ask me, and I do not think so, and if I was the last one before Cairoli and I see the site that they have left for him, that free site will I occupy myself.

  We are riders, not little sisters of charity

With that way of thinking, they should also have let others start ahead

When that's what it's about, it's about trying to get ahead and be there as long as possible.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with ruy
yeah same here , totally agree
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3/8/2019 8:15am
Little by little, you are going in the right direction, LOL
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3/8/2019 12:25pm Edited Date/Time 3/8/2019 12:26pm
I confirm from MXArgentina.com that the Argentine riders left the better site in the gate to Cairoli, and that the rider from Bolivian; Marcos Antezana also do it the same

I do not remember anything like that

This behavior is incredible, on the part of some professional riders, in a race of such a high level.

Lamentable.

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3/8/2019 12:30pm Edited Date/Time 3/8/2019 12:31pm
And is that allowed? I think Herlings may be interested in that ...

As they have benefited their maximum rival for the title.

Herlings is not in this race because of a failure, an injury
Cairoli had to choose the last and worst site for a failure, mechanical

As some riders, they think not, that they are going to benefit Cairoli and how from MXGP are they allowed?

That is adulterating the competition
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3/8/2019 12:36pm Edited Date/Time 3/8/2019 12:37pm
Maybe nothing happens, because the two riders, Cairoli and Herlings are from KTM and KTM is not interested in any conflict, but I'm sure Herlings will not like it.
3/8/2019 12:43pm
ruy wrote:
I confirm from MXArgentina.com that the Argentine riders left the better site in the gate to Cairoli, and that the rider from Bolivian; Marcos Antezana also...
I confirm from MXArgentina.com that the Argentine riders left the better site in the gate to Cairoli, and that the rider from Bolivian; Marcos Antezana also do it the same

I do not remember anything like that

This behavior is incredible, on the part of some professional riders, in a race of such a high level.

Lamentable.

Probably went something like this: you guys give up your positions for me & if I go 1-1, the beers are on me.
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3/8/2019 1:07pm Edited Date/Time 3/8/2019 1:10pm
Really, I find it incredible.

They do not go with me

How can they make their position easier for a rival, what pride can these riders have, when what I would be looking for is to have them as close to me as possible and, if I can, start better than him and make things as difficult as possible, fighting for position with Cairoli.

Only once did I have a world champion right next to me in the gate, Trampas Parker, in an SX International in Spain, in a qualifying race, and I started in front of him, when he started he saw that we were very close to the first corner , he then brake before, he think ( spanish loco) I will go ahead later, and that's how it was,he pass to me like a missile in the first lap, he won easily, but I had my moment of glory.
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