MXGP of France - Saint Jean d'Angely discussion

Flip109 wrote:

Hell yeah im with this. Has nothing to do with the top guys not being in shape. Herlings is just faster. Maybe faster than anyone has...

Hell yeah im with this. Has nothing to do with the top guys not being in shape. Herlings is just faster. Maybe faster than anyone has ever been. Nobody can touch him most of the time. Until he is done or burned out, and starts slowing down, it’s over baring an injury or bad crash that maybe scares some speed out of him lol.

NateDawg wrote:

Don't know how you could say Herlings is going the fastest ever when it's still a legitimate debate wins the fastest in the world right now...

Don't know how you could say Herlings is going the fastest ever when it's still a legitimate debate wins the fastest in the world right now. I've never viewed Cairoli as a flat out speed guy. He's one of the best champions of all time, but there have been many riders that are flat out faster. He's won a lot from endurance and consistency. For instance, Tomac absolutely annihilated him when he went 4-0 at the USGPs a few years ago. Herlings may have AC covered in speed, but he hasn't proven he's consistently quicker than Tomac.

And as for the other top GP guys, if they were in the AMA I think they would be about where Marvin is right now. Musquin would be a constant challenge to everyone except AC and JH. That still puts Tomac and Roczen well above them. I personally think both of those guys would give Herlings fits in a full championship. I also think RC would handily beat Roczen and Tomac outdoors so Herlings has a long way to go before he can even be mentioned with Carmichael.

500guy wrote:

Herlings is riding great, is He riding like one of the fastest ever ? = Hell yes! is it just a tad early to give him...

Herlings is riding great, is He riding like one of the fastest ever ? = Hell yes!

is it just a tad early to give him Everts and Rc's crowns ? = just a little

He caught and passed Cairoli so easy it was anticlimactic

dkg wrote:

Agreed, was a little surprised as to how fast he caught Cairoli and then gapped him. Does Cairoli have an injury or something. Or are we...

Agreed, was a little surprised as to how fast he caught Cairoli and then gapped him. Does Cairoli have an injury or something. Or are we just watching the passing of the torch?

P.s. I put Cairoli in the category of MX royalty.

RG1 wrote:

I think Cairoli's riding is probably close to the best it's ever been, but I think he's missing a little bit physically. Herlings is working harder...

I think Cairoli's riding is probably close to the best it's ever been, but I think he's missing a little bit physically. Herlings is working harder than probably anybody in the sport right now and it shows every single weekend. If you come into the season under prepared you can't make that up mid-season. I wouldn't write Cairoli off yet though, everybody already did that once when he lost the title 2 years in a row, and he came and won it back

RG1 wrote:

I was thinking whilst watching these past couple of weekends how it's quietly becoming a very promising time for Spanish Moto. Prado is destined to become...

I was thinking whilst watching these past couple of weekends how it's quietly becoming a very promising time for Spanish Moto. Prado is destined to become one of the stars of the sport and Larranaga and Fernandez are both showing great potential. It's great to see

RG1 wrote:

I was thinking whilst watching these past couple of weekends how it's quietly becoming a very promising time for Spanish Moto. Prado is destined to become...

I was thinking whilst watching these past couple of weekends how it's quietly becoming a very promising time for Spanish Moto. Prado is destined to become one of the stars of the sport and Larranaga and Fernandez are both showing great potential. It's great to see

roninho wrote:

For spanish mx I just hope Prado stays in Europe. It's a shame the German fans are missing out on Ken Roczen in MXGP, and it...

For spanish mx I just hope Prado stays in Europe. It's a shame the German fans are missing out on Ken Roczen in MXGP, and it would be a shame if the same happens to Prado.
Don't get me wrong i fully understand why Roczen went to the USA and good for him, but for the popularity of MX in Germany it would have been great if he had stayed.

dkg wrote:

Agreed, was a little surprised as to how fast he caught Cairoli and then gapped him. Does Cairoli have an injury or something. Or are we...

Agreed, was a little surprised as to how fast he caught Cairoli and then gapped him. Does Cairoli have an injury or something. Or are we just watching the passing of the torch?

P.s. I put Cairoli in the category of MX royalty.

RG1 wrote:

I think Cairoli's riding is probably close to the best it's ever been, but I think he's missing a little bit physically. Herlings is working harder...

I think Cairoli's riding is probably close to the best it's ever been, but I think he's missing a little bit physically. Herlings is working harder than probably anybody in the sport right now and it shows every single weekend. If you come into the season under prepared you can't make that up mid-season. I wouldn't write Cairoli off yet though, everybody already did that once when he lost the title 2 years in a row, and he came and won it back

St Ann More wrote:

DV called it on Pulp pre-season. Cairoli had too many off-season distractions, Herlings is hungry.

RG1 wrote:

I agree. This week was a prime example of it. Herlings was motoing down, Cairoli was driving an F1 car. Same could be said for his...

I agree. This week was a prime example of it. Herlings was motoing down, Cairoli was driving an F1 car. Same could be said for his rallying. I don't blame Tony for it, but you can't hope to beat someone like Herlings who is as determined as ever and has everything in perfect order, if you aren't prepared to the same level. This is why I say I think there's more there to come from Cairoli

RG1 wrote:

I agree. This week was a prime example of it. Herlings was motoing down, Cairoli was driving an F1 car. Same could be said for his...

I agree. This week was a prime example of it. Herlings was motoing down, Cairoli was driving an F1 car. Same could be said for his rallying. I don't blame Tony for it, but you can't hope to beat someone like Herlings who is as determined as ever and has everything in perfect order, if you aren't prepared to the same level. This is why I say I think there's more there to come from Cairoli

roninho wrote:

I understand what you are saying, but in terms of what TC is showing on track i don't see a guy that has prefered other stuff...

I understand what you are saying, but in terms of what TC is showing on track i don't see a guy that has prefered other stuff during the offseason.

i saw TC fighting till the last second (and closing in rapidly) to pass Desalle for 2nd in moto 1. Same in the previous GP's, the guy has a great pace untill the end of the moto's. I don't see a fitness issue.
He is also beating the competition (except for Herlings obviously) by margins and points like he never has during his championship years. I feel he is on top of his game.

I havent seen anything to suggest Herlings is ahead of the rest of the field in terms of fitness levels, but he has improved compared to last season. So yeah he has done his homework. And obviously he has transformed into someone who is simply much faster then his competition on the 450.

RG1 wrote:

I agree. This week was a prime example of it. Herlings was motoing down, Cairoli was driving an F1 car. Same could be said for his...

I agree. This week was a prime example of it. Herlings was motoing down, Cairoli was driving an F1 car. Same could be said for his rallying. I don't blame Tony for it, but you can't hope to beat someone like Herlings who is as determined as ever and has everything in perfect order, if you aren't prepared to the same level. This is why I say I think there's more there to come from Cairoli

roninho wrote:

I understand what you are saying, but in terms of what TC is showing on track i don't see a guy that has prefered other stuff...

I understand what you are saying, but in terms of what TC is showing on track i don't see a guy that has prefered other stuff during the offseason.

i saw TC fighting till the last second (and closing in rapidly) to pass Desalle for 2nd in moto 1. Same in the previous GP's, the guy has a great pace untill the end of the moto's. I don't see a fitness issue.
He is also beating the competition (except for Herlings obviously) by margins and points like he never has during his championship years. I feel he is on top of his game.

I havent seen anything to suggest Herlings is ahead of the rest of the field in terms of fitness levels, but he has improved compared to last season. So yeah he has done his homework. And obviously he has transformed into someone who is simply much faster then his competition on the 450.

RG1 wrote:

He did charge right till the end of Moto 1, but he was also well short in Moto 2 for the last 5 mins. I'm not...

He did charge right till the end of Moto 1, but he was also well short in Moto 2 for the last 5 mins. I'm not saying his fitness is terrible, I just think that it could be/has been better in the past. I feel like he was in better shape coming into last season than he was this season

roninho wrote:

I understand what you are saying, but in terms of what TC is showing on track i don't see a guy that has prefered other stuff...

I understand what you are saying, but in terms of what TC is showing on track i don't see a guy that has prefered other stuff during the offseason.

i saw TC fighting till the last second (and closing in rapidly) to pass Desalle for 2nd in moto 1. Same in the previous GP's, the guy has a great pace untill the end of the moto's. I don't see a fitness issue.
He is also beating the competition (except for Herlings obviously) by margins and points like he never has during his championship years. I feel he is on top of his game.

I havent seen anything to suggest Herlings is ahead of the rest of the field in terms of fitness levels, but he has improved compared to last season. So yeah he has done his homework. And obviously he has transformed into someone who is simply much faster then his competition on the 450.

RG1 wrote:

He did charge right till the end of Moto 1, but he was also well short in Moto 2 for the last 5 mins. I'm not...

He did charge right till the end of Moto 1, but he was also well short in Moto 2 for the last 5 mins. I'm not saying his fitness is terrible, I just think that it could be/has been better in the past. I feel like he was in better shape coming into last season than he was this season

74 wrote:

Has Cairoli had to push that much for the whole motos before? Who knows, maybe his fitness is as good as it's been, but with this...

Has Cairoli had to push that much for the whole motos before? Who knows, maybe his fitness is as good as it's been, but with this Herlings insanity he has to push much more and longer than before, and that wears him out. Also being continuoysly passed by the same guy, no matter where he starts, makes him work harder mentally and physically, which is very exhausting.

ruy wrote:

http://mxargentina.com/herlings-en-usa/ Interesting interview with Herlings where he talks about his competitions in the USA and that he will never run a full championship there [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/06/12/267647/s1200_152790_Jeffrey_Herlings_Jorge_Prado_KTM_250_SX_F_Charlotte_2016.jpg[/img]

http://mxargentina.com/herlings-en-usa/

Interesting interview with Herlings where he talks about his competitions in the USA and that he will never run a full championship there

ruy wrote:

http://mxargentina.com/herlings-en-usa/ Interesting interview with Herlings where he talks about his competitions in the USA and that he will never run a full championship there [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/06/12/267647/s1200_152790_Jeffrey_Herlings_Jorge_Prado_KTM_250_SX_F_Charlotte_2016.jpg[/img]

http://mxargentina.com/herlings-en-usa/

Interesting interview with Herlings where he talks about his competitions in the USA and that he will never run a full championship there