MXA strikes again

sparker245 wrote:

MXA website has a great article on the 1972 Yamaha DT2 MX. Unfortunately all of the pictures are of a 1974 YZ250A. That's like writing an article on Phyllis Diller with accompanying pictures of Marilyn Monroe. Geeze. I'm sure all the young guys are saying, "Who's Phyllis Diller. "https://motocrossactionmag.com/classic-motocross-iron-1972-yamaha-dt2mx-250/

I remember Phyllis Diller, but only as an old lady. Reminds me of the time they called Stephenson a "whirling dervish."
Either Jody doesn't care what runs on the web site, or this mag has fallen a long way. At least be an authority on the old bikes when you are practically a living fossil riding around the track.

Yamaha had HT, LT, AT, CT, DT, and RT in enduro and MX models. 90cc to 360. from late 60's to I think '73.
And Parker use to date Phyllis Diller.

I remember this Phyllis Diller...lol

kkawboy14 wrote:

You'r the only guy who would know that!

sparker245 wrote:

"Phyllis Diller." Ha,there might be one or two others here who are old enough to remember Phyllis Diller.....but not many.

dadofagun wrote:

I have to, (but hate to), admit that..... I am one who knows of good ol Phyllis. And I also agree MXA is shit, it seems their reviews are all pre-typed, they just insert new pics, and change the cover pic and date on each new issue. But swear to be damned, you're gonna know who won it all at REM with a multi-pic article each week, and a "just the facts Mam" on how the Pros performed at the latest National..... And let's not forget juicy articles like "The secret world of inner tubes". Riveting shit......

I like the REM report. I'd buy a magazine that had nothing but amateur racing.
There won't be any shortage of information on the pros, what superstitious routine they follow before gate drop, their music, houses and trucks etc. We'll still eat it up like McDonald's.

Greenguy wrote:

Yamaha had HT, LT, AT, CT, DT, and RT in enduro and MX models. 90cc to 360. from late 60's to I think '73.
And Parker use to date Phyllis Diller.

Shhhhhhh.........

kkawboy14 wrote:

You'r the only guy who would know that!

Brownstone322 wrote:

Actually, I mostly knew that. The pics are indeed of a 1974 YZ-250A, which debuted that year and quickly overtook the Honda CR-250M Elsinore (introduced the previous year) as the best of the new wave of "serious" Japanese motocross bikes (albeit at a much higher price point than the tidy Honda). The original YZs were a separate line of "factory replicas," and that was a big deal back then. (Suzuki's full "RM" line followed in 1976, killing off the half-hearted "TM" line.)

However, I do not recall the terminology "AT1," "DT1" or "RT1." Back then, the "regular" line of Yamaha motocross bikes were called MX-125, MX-250 and MX-360 (in the American market, anyway), and they were closely related to the street-legal "DT" line.

In 1968, the DT-1 250 came out. It was an enduro, or dual purpose. The DT-1MX was a stripped down version with a GYT kit on it, with an unmuffled expansion chamber. The RT-1 was the 360, the AT1 was the 125, the LT was the 100, the HT1 was a 90. The CT-1 was a 175, but they never offered a CT-1MX, as I recall. The DT-2, AT-2, RT-2, etc, was a 1972 model and they changed from a piston port to a reed valved cylinder design. The MX series came in 1974, along with the change to yellow tank and plastic. The previous years were silver based with a color scallop strip different for each model and year. Just a little history. The big change in 1972 was the button mag ignition which had a small flywheel weight, super fast revs and easy to stall. They also lowered the engine cradle on the 250 and 360, which handled better, and allowed a through the frame exhaust pipe to be used. Aluminum Thermo shocks also. A big step up. I rode those things, I was just going into high school. So Cal, good times, riding at Indian Dunes, etc.

Phyllis Diller and MX- I thought I had seen it all in this place already.

Tom White would know the difference. If Tom did write the article, (or rather the short blurb), then they must have been relying on some flunky to find pictures to go with the blurb.

My dad never saw me race, is the most important moto literature ever written. I feel like DC should make it required reading for all of the moto parents at Lorretta's.
I've tried to remember It whenever I'm coaching my son.
Jody is a genius.

Reese95w wrote:

Tom White would know the difference. If Tom did write the article, (or rather the short blurb), then they must have been relying on some flunky to find pictures to go with the blurb.

Exactly--the latest REM non-race non-report says that Tom White would be doing chemo this week, which certainly explains how such an error could occur. Keep him in your thoughts & prayers--he's given a lot to the sport.

On the DT-2 vs. YZ250A subject, there was an interesting Old School thread a few months back where someone stumbled across and identified one of several DT-2 prototypes that were sent to U.S. dealers for feedback during 1971. These bikes had handmade fiberglass airboxes, odd serial numbers, etc., and introduced the industry-standard conical front brake that people used to put on Maicos and other brands. The finder was intent on restoring the bike, had help from Gary Jones and others, but hasn't reported completion yet. Maybe not such a remarkable bike per se like the YZ250A was (Weinert said the YZ was exactly what they'd raced, minus some titanium), but it's remarkable that one of that batch of prototypes survived. Thread is at DT-2MX prototype project

I guessed the realised it because I see a disclaimer at the top about the photo mix up.

They do look a little alike. There are many other differences, but I could tell the difference quickly because of the straps on the gas tank and the thermoflow shocks on the YZ.

Cancerman wrote:

In 1968, the DT-1 250 came out. It was an enduro, or dual purpose. The DT-1MX was a stripped down version with a GYT kit on it, with an unmuffled expansion chamber. The RT-1 was the 360, the AT1 was the 125, the LT was the 100, the HT1 was a 90. The CT-1 was a 175, but they never offered a CT-1MX, as I recall. The DT-2, AT-2, RT-2, etc, was a 1972 model and they changed from a piston port to a reed valved cylinder design. The MX series came in 1974, along with the change to yellow tank and plastic. The previous years were silver based with a color scallop strip different for each model and year. Just a little history. The big change in 1972 was the button mag ignition which had a small flywheel weight, super fast revs and easy to stall. They also lowered the engine cradle on the 250 and 360, which handled better, and allowed a through the frame exhaust pipe to be used. Aluminum Thermo shocks also. A big step up. I rode those things, I was just going into high school. So Cal, good times, riding at Indian Dunes, etc.

A friend of mine owned a 1974 DT-250A (in orange, a bike I suspect you know already).

I remember the 1974 upgrades pretty well, at least cosmetically. I specifically recall the high front fender (new for Yamaha's "enduro" bikes in 1974), the cross-over pipe and the shocks with external fluid reservoirs. Everything on that bike (such as the pipe and the kickstarter) was neatly tucked away. For a bike with no suspension travel and a steel, tube-section swingarm, it was actually pretty advanced.

Then I remember seeing Decoster's 1975 works bike (the Suzuki RN75) for the first time in a magazine reporting on the Dutch GP. That bike, to me, looked nothing like any Suzuki before it, as my eyes were still calibrated to the "TM" line. With the reshaped tank, high crossover pipe and external fluid reservoirs for the shocks (attached to the frame, in this case), I thought the RN75 (and the subsequent RMs that followed the next year) reminded me of the 1974-ish Yamahas.

I miss the days when works bikes looked nothing like what we could buy.

mxjon454 wrote:

MXA is crap. There magazine isnt too bad but their website sucks.

"Thanks to the help of some very thoughtful people who informed us of the mistake, we have corrected it. "

kkawboy14 wrote:

You'r the only guy who would know that!

sparker245 wrote:

"Phyllis Diller." Ha,there might be one or two others here who are old enough to remember Phyllis Diller.....but not many.

Was she the crazy haired blond on the Carol Burnett show!?