MX2 and EMX250

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9/29/2020 7:30 AM
Edited Date/Time: 9/29/2020 7:52 AM

Okay, I've been watching the races AND the results of this year's FIM 250 classes and I do think the EMX250 is as close to MX2 speedwise as it has ever been. There is quite a few MX2 races where the EMX250 riders took there chances and exception made of Great Britain in the mud, they have almost the same results in both classes. Here is the FULL details about those guys who raced both classes.

GREAT BRITAIN MX2

Time practice

17/ Mattia Guadagnini : 2.43.163

Fastest qualifier (Haarup) : 2.39.706

Race 1

1/ Jago Geerts : +0.000 (2.36.086)

2/ Mattia Guadagnini : +49.748 (2.39.357)

Race 2

1/ Tom Vialle : +0.000 (2.30.534)

12/ Mattia Guadagnini : +50.911 (2.33.850)

NETHERLANDS EMX250

Time Practice

8/ Mattia Guadagnini : 2.01.118

25/ Maximilian Spies : 2.05.721

Fastest qualifier (Boegh Damm) : 1.56.370

2/ Isak Gifting : 1.59.149

Fastest qualifier (Facchetti) : 1.57.294

Race 1

1/ Bastian Boegh Damm : +0.000 (1.55.493)

2/ Isak Gifting : +22.743 (1.58.058)

12/ Mattia Guadagnini : +1.20.945 (2.03.839)

Race 2

1/ Bastian Boegh Damm : +0.000 (1.56.372)

4/ Mattia Guadagnini : +10.181 (1.57.270)

9/ Isak Gifting : +39.706 (1.57.666)

LATVIA EMX250

Time practice

3/ Mattia Guadagnini : 1.52.763

9/ Maximilian Spies : 1.55.617

10/ Gianmarco Cenerelli : 1.55.808

Fastest qualifier (Benistant) : 1.52.421

7/ Isak Gifting : 1.54.265

Fastest qualifier (De Wolf) : 1.52.864

Race 1

1/ Thibault Benistant : +0.000 (1.57.189)

2/ Isak Gifting : +13.020 (1.58.384)

5/ Mattia Guadagnini : +31.619 (1.58.954)

20/ Maximilian Spies : +1.16.928 (2.02.305)

33/ Gianmarco Cenerelli DNF (2.02.984)

Race 2

1/ Mattia Guadagnini : +0.000 (1.58.756)

4/ Isak Gifting : +32.021 (2.00.337)

10/ Maximilian Spies : +1.07.194 (2.01.626)

35/ Gianmarco Cenerelli DNF (2.03.910)

RIGA EMX250

Time practice

5/ Mattia Guadagnini : 1.53.785

9/ Maximilian Spies : 1.54.800

12/ Isak Gifting : 1.55.144

37/ Gianmarco Cenerelli : 1.58.506

Fastest qualifier (Facchetti) : 1.53.037

Race 1

1/ Thibault Benistant : +0.000 (1.57.996)

4/ Mattia Guadagnini : +24.836 (1.59.926)

6/ Maximilian Spies : +37.601 (1.57.740)

12/ Isak Gifting : +57.772 (1.59.194)

33/ Gianmarco Cenerelli DNF (2.03.129)

Race 2

1/ Thibault Benistant : +0.000 (1.59.605)

2/ Isak Gifting : +7.259 (2.00.157)

9/ Maximilian Spies : +39.209 (2.01.845)

14/ Mattia Guadagnini : +58.162 (2.02.449)

KEGUMS EMX250

Time practice

4/ Mattia Guadagnini : 1.58.191

11/ Maximilian Spies : 1.59.524

12/ Isak Gifting : 1.59.552

32/ Gianmarco Cenerelli : 2.02.478

Fastest qualifier (Facchetti) : 1.57.536

Race 1

1/ Thibault Benistant : +0.000 (2.02.328)

4/ Mattia Guadagnini : +16.534 (2.04.422)

10/ Isak Gifting : +38.624 (2.04.924)

16/ Gianmarco Cenerelli : +1.06.156 (2.06.461)

17/ Maximilian Spies : +48.875 (2.05.582)

Race 2

1/ Mattia Guadagnini : +0.000 (2.02.728)

9/ Isak Gifting : +48.912 (2.04.225)

10/ Maximilian Spies : +50.062 (2.05.185)

34/ Gianmarco Cenerelli : DNF (2.09.478)

ITALIE MX2

Time practice

4/ Mattia Guadagnini : 1.55.448

18/ Gianmarco Cenerelli : 1.57.806

28/ Maximilian Spies : 1.58.882

Fastest qualifier (Renaux) : 1.54.106

Race 1

1/ Jago Geerts : +0.000 (1.58.188)

14/ Gianmarco Cenerelli : +1.18.024 (2.01.835)

15/ Mattia Guadagnini : +1.18.785 (2.01.694)

23/ Maximilian Spies : +1 Lap (2.04.957)

Race 2

1/ Maxime Renaux : +0.000 (1.58.474)

8/ Mattia Guadagnini : +32.842 (1.59.525)

20/ Gianmarco Cenerelli : +2.08.877 (2.02.155)

22/ Maximilian Spies : +1 Tour (2.03.695)

CITTA DI FAENZA MX2

Time practice

8/ Mattia Guadagnini : 1.55.752

21/ Gianmarco Cenerelli : 1.59.106

24/ Maximilian Spies : 1.59.385

Fastest qualifier (Moosdijk) : 1.54.635

Race 1

1/ Tom Vialle : +0.000 (1.56.415)

6/ Mattia Guadagnini : +28.668 (1.56.834)

13/ Gianmarco Cenerelli : +1.02.279 (1.59.484)

26/ Maximilian Spies : +1 Lap (2.03.116)

Race 2

1/ Tom Vialle : +0.000 (1.59.877)

8/ Mattia Guadagnini : +42.166 (2.01.773)

16/ Gianmarco Cenerelli : +1.25.044 (2.04.110)

22/ Maximilian Spies : +1.53.964 (2.05.290)

MANTOVA EMX250

6/ Maximilian Spies : 1.54.132

11/ Gianmarco Cenerelli : 1.55.224

Fastest qualifier (Facchetti) : 1.52.211

1/ Mattia Guadagnini : 1.51.727

Race 1

1/ Hakon Fredriksen : +0.000 (1.57.199)

2/ Mattia Guadagnini : +12.463 (1.56.878)

17/ Maximilian Spies : +1.04.844 (2.00.459)

37/ Gianmarco Cenerelli DNF (2.01.086)

Race 2

1/ Thibault Benistant : +0.000 (1.57.640)

6/ Maximilian Spies : +38.570 (1.58.034)

10/ Gianmarco Cenerelli : +47.318 (2.01.061)

38/ Mattia Guadagnini DNF (2.03.570)

MANTOVA MX2

Time practice

10/ Isak Gifting : 1.55.300

Fastest qualifier (Renaux) : 1.54.223

Race 1

1/ Tom Vialle : +0.000 (1.57.083)

9/ Isak Gifting : +37.015 (1.59.161)

Race 2

1/ Jed Beaton : +0.000 (1.56.069)

10/ Isak Gifting : +34.383 (1.57.573)

All that to say that exception made of Spies who had some better results in EMX250, those top EMX250 racers are not looking much off the pace compare to MX2 riders when they make a try at the world championship. I have few contacts with teams and stuff and for example Tom Guyon, who is a fast european 250 rider, whas oftenly as fast (sometimes faster) than Tom Vialle last winter. Of course racing is very different but the n°2 250 class of the FIM is really coming up right now...

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9/29/2020 7:46 AM

Definitely a pretty fast and deep class. Just look at Gifting going 9-10 on Sunday on a new bike. He hasn't even won a single EMX round this year.

Benistant, Guadagnini and De Wolf will probably all be fighting for MX2 wins soon

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9/29/2020 9:01 AM

Guadagnini and Benistant will be front runners in MX2 in the next two years. I mean, Guadagnini did well at Faenza. Thibault will do some MX2 races as well. So we will see.

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9/29/2020 8:08 PM

Renner153 wrote:

Guadagnini and Benistant will be front runners in MX2 in the next two years. I mean, Guadagnini did well at Faenza. Thibault will do some MX2 races as well. So we will see.

hahah I liked this, thinking "yea, I like the way this guy thinks" ... then I saw who it was lol

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9/29/2020 9:00 PM

Need a few hundred more lap times before I'm convinced.

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9/30/2020 1:12 PM

dirtworldmx wrote:

Need a few hundred more lap times before I'm convinced.

I don't care who ya' are, that's some funny shit right there!

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9/30/2020 1:19 PM

I don't understand how Matthes can shit on MX2 when Locurcio isn't even contending for wins in EMX and finished top 10 in the 450s not that long ago.

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9/30/2020 1:36 PM

visser62 wrote:

I don't understand how Matthes can shit on MX2 when Locurcio isn't even contending for wins in EMX and finished top 10 in the 450s not that long ago.

Look where Harrison finished usually in MX2 and look where he is finishing now in 250 ama. Better bike might helped aswell, maybe he got some confidence back also, I don't know. Just a good example lol.

Btw, Jett Lawrence won an EMX 250 overall in 2018 and just look how stacked the field was back then. (he was 14 at this time btw!)

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9/30/2020 9:27 PM

visser62 wrote:

I don't understand how Matthes can shit on MX2 when Locurcio isn't even contending for wins in EMX and finished top 10 in the 450s not that long ago.

Mavetism wrote:

Look where Harrison finished usually in MX2 and look where he is finishing now in 250 ama. Better bike might helped aswell, maybe he got some confidence back also, I don't know. Just a good example lol.

Btw, Jett Lawrence won an EMX 250 overall in 2018 and just look how stacked the field was back then. (he was 14 at this time btw!)

Racing is so close these days. I mean I saw Malkiewicz being a top 5 guy in the french championship vs only e few EMX250 riders and he got a 7th in race 2 yersteday...

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9/30/2020 9:59 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/30/2020 10:10 PM

visser62 wrote:

I don't understand how Matthes can shit on MX2 when Locurcio isn't even contending for wins in EMX and finished top 10 in the 450s not that long ago.

The issue with Matthes and his GP takes is that he doesn't follow the series close enough. It became glaringly obvious in the mid season RacerX podcast he did with Lewis Phillips and Adam Wheeler.

Nothing wrong with that, i'm sure he is busy as hell doing a great job of covering the US series. But when it comes to MX2 and EMX250, he is not very informed at all.

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10/1/2020 9:36 AM

visser62 wrote:

I don't understand how Matthes can shit on MX2 when Locurcio isn't even contending for wins in EMX and finished top 10 in the 450s not that long ago.

He doesn’t shit on the class. Simply states the aging out rule is ridiculous. Which it is.

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10/1/2020 1:56 PM

visser62 wrote:

I don't understand how Matthes can shit on MX2 when Locurcio isn't even contending for wins in EMX and finished top 10 in the 450s not that long ago.

xrmark wrote:

He doesn’t shit on the class. Simply states the aging out rule is ridiculous. Which it is.

No, he also shits on it and says it doesn't compare to AMA 250. I agree with him on the aging rule, and I actually agree with him on almost everything AMA, just don't agree with underestimating guys like Vialle and Geerts.

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10/3/2020 6:53 AM

visser62 wrote:

I don't understand how Matthes can shit on MX2 when Locurcio isn't even contending for wins in EMX and finished top 10 in the 450s not that long ago.

xrmark wrote:

He doesn’t shit on the class. Simply states the aging out rule is ridiculous. Which it is.

visser62 wrote:

No, he also shits on it and says it doesn't compare to AMA 250. I agree with him on the aging rule, and I actually agree with him on almost everything AMA, just don't agree with underestimating guys like Vialle and Geerts.

Matthes just have to look for last years MXDN. How AMA guys was doing against MX2 boys?

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