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Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:04pm
MTB technology advancing so much faster then moto tech. Check out the below article on VitalMTB and then tell me why Enduros or Moto don't have something like this yet?

http://www.vitalmtb.com/features/First-Look-Shimano-Brings-Electronic-D…
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Dtat720 4/14/2016 10:19am
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Mountain biking has close to 30 million potential customers worldwide and mx has maybe 1 million? Economics.
Same reason road biking tech trickles down to mtn biking then bmx. 200 million vs 30 million vs 250k
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ML512 4/14/2016 10:27am
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Moto_Geek wrote:
MTB technology advancing so much faster then moto tech. Check out the below article on VitalMTB and then tell me why Enduros or Moto don't have...
MTB technology advancing so much faster then moto tech. Check out the below article on VitalMTB and then tell me why Enduros or Moto don't have something like this yet?

http://www.vitalmtb.com/features/First-Look-Shimano-Brings-Electronic-D…
How much more do you want your dirtbike to cost? Laughing
theinternetkid 4/14/2016 10:29am
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I'm not sure, but every time you turn around your new MTB stuff is obsolete. Those guys don't hesitate to roll out new stuff that isn't backwards compatible.
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Moto_Geek wrote:
MTB technology advancing so much faster then moto tech. Check out the below article on VitalMTB and then tell me why Enduros or Moto don't have...
MTB technology advancing so much faster then moto tech. Check out the below article on VitalMTB and then tell me why Enduros or Moto don't have something like this yet?

http://www.vitalmtb.com/features/First-Look-Shimano-Brings-Electronic-D…
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How much more do you want your dirtbike to cost? Laughing
well, someone already decided that the Average Joey needs air forks, a $1500 exhuast, and EFI... so i'd say the sky is the limit

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ML512 4/14/2016 10:48am
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well, someone already decided that the Average Joey needs air forks, a $1500 exhuast, and EFI... so i'd say the sky is the limit

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Air forks are cheaper than spring forks. Wink
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peelout wrote:
well, someone already decided that the Average Joey needs air forks, a $1500 exhuast, and EFI... so i'd say the sky is the limit

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ML512 wrote:
Air forks are cheaper than spring forks. Wink
The bikes the air forks come on only seem to be getting more and more expensive.
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Moto_Geek wrote:
MTB technology advancing so much faster then moto tech. Check out the below article on VitalMTB and then tell me why Enduros or Moto don't have...
MTB technology advancing so much faster then moto tech. Check out the below article on VitalMTB and then tell me why Enduros or Moto don't have something like this yet?

http://www.vitalmtb.com/features/First-Look-Shimano-Brings-Electronic-D…
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How much more do you want your dirtbike to cost? Laughing
This may be an overly optimistic approach, but one good thing to come out of expensive new technology every year in mountain bikes is that it allows you to pick up an "obsolete" model from the previous year at heavily discounted prices.
YellowZonker 4/14/2016 11:08am
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You guys know a top end Mountain bike can be 10K right? I don't think we need bikes doubling in price in MX. Having said that I read an article explaining that costs are driven so high in MTB by OEMs sourcing components from name brand companies rather than making them themselves like they do in MX.
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First off electronic shifting on a bicycle isn't really that new. #2 my hands are already busy enough on a Moto. The shifter works just fine. On a mountain bike the cables go slack and get rough and need constant adjustment and replacement a lot, so it's actually a viable improvement over current tech.
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JerseyFresh 4/14/2016 11:14am
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Mountain biking is just a big money train. More so than any other hobby like that, skiing, Moto etc. Carbon this and that and electronics and dropper posts.....a top end carbon trail bike costs like 12 G'!!!! And it doesn't even come with pedals! Haha
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mx510 4/14/2016 11:19am
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hvaughn88 wrote:
This may be an overly optimistic approach, but one good thing to come out of expensive new technology every year in mountain bikes is that it...
This may be an overly optimistic approach, but one good thing to come out of expensive new technology every year in mountain bikes is that it allows you to pick up an "obsolete" model from the previous year at heavily discounted prices.
I take this philosophy when buying mx bikes. Call me cheap, I just can not justify $9,000 for a freakin dirt bike. I will take the leftover "old" technology all day long and waaaaay cheaper.
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hvaughn88 4/14/2016 11:23am
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YellowZonker wrote:
You guys know a top end Mountain bike can be 10K right? I don't think we need bikes doubling in price in MX. Having said that...
You guys know a top end Mountain bike can be 10K right? I don't think we need bikes doubling in price in MX. Having said that I read an article explaining that costs are driven so high in MTB by OEMs sourcing components from name brand companies rather than making them themselves like they do in MX.
Unfortunately, yes, I'm aware how much they cost.
SmoothOperator 4/14/2016 1:11pm
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My last dh frame. Frame only! Was $3000, and that was early 2000s. People think motocross is expensive...
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ACBraap 4/14/2016 4:42pm
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A modern mx bike has fuel injection, a programmable ignition map, extremely sophisticated suspension, and you think mtb technological advance is ahead? Other than rampant carbon fiber use in the bicycle world and the prevalence of tubeless tires, I think moto is way ahead. And in terms of value, $10K for a Specialized S-works vs $10K for a ktm FE, there's no question which one has more tech for the $.

Ti exhausts for 4 strokes vs. Enve wheels does beg the question of which sport's consumers are the greater fools.
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Someone convince me how the Showa TAC fork is any cheaper to produce than their SFF spring unit. Im just not buying it bro, that TAC unit has like a million seals in it.
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I think the difference here is that when you buy a 10k mountainbike those bikes almost always have top shelf components. its akin to walking in to the local dealer and buying Dungey's ktm, or tomacs kawi. you are getting the best that the industry has to offer when you buy that 10k DH bike. When you buy a 10k dirtbike, the vast majority of us are going to have grand plans to buy a pipe, clutch, A kit, etc. on a trek session 9.9c, or a s-works demo, you get all that for your 10k.

The mountainbike industry also does a very good job at upselling. They spec out their bikes in component spec tiers. They offer a top tier, 2 tier and 3 tier of the same bike. and the specs on the next tier, are JUST that much better to make a lot of people consider that next tier. I think that this could work well in the motocross industry as well.
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51xc 4/15/2016 2:09am
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as the article says, electronic shifting is used since '09 on road bikes. now we just started to loose the wires all together. sram seems to have the edge on this kind of technology at the moment in my view.

for moto: who needs electronic shifting when the next thing will be e bikes anyways!?

sometimes technology comes from motobikes to the bicycle as well. rotar just dropped a closed circle hydraulic shifting system that in theory never needs maintenance (no bleeding etc).
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Air forks in Mtb cost more than the same Spring version team v World Cup. Suckers are the Mtb nerds

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Dtat720 4/15/2016 4:57am
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Jrewing wrote:
Air forks in Mtb cost more than the same Spring version team v World Cup. Suckers are the Mtb nerds
Couldnt have said it better. If you ever take a trip to china, check out the ProMax factory.... You will be pissed at the world when you leave lol. And you will wonder why one brand costs so much more than another when they come off the same line
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JerseyFresh wrote:
Mountain biking is just a big money train. More so than any other hobby like that, skiing, Moto etc. Carbon this and that and electronics and...
Mountain biking is just a big money train. More so than any other hobby like that, skiing, Moto etc. Carbon this and that and electronics and dropper posts.....a top end carbon trail bike costs like 12 G'!!!! And it doesn't even come with pedals! Haha
Couldn't agree more. Cycling (bikes/parts/accessories/gear) is the biggest ripoff in the history of humanity.
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MR. X 4/15/2016 6:53am
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My dirtbikes moves without me peddling, I'd say dirtbikes are more advanced, when are those mountain bike guys gonna realize they're working too hard.
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Dtat720 wrote:
Mountain biking has close to 30 million potential customers worldwide and mx has maybe 1 million? Economics. Same reason road biking tech trickles down to mtn...
Mountain biking has close to 30 million potential customers worldwide and mx has maybe 1 million? Economics.
Same reason road biking tech trickles down to mtn biking then bmx. 200 million vs 30 million vs 250k
Lately, it's been the opposite. MTB has been trickling down to roadies. Disc brakes, thru axles, etc.
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JerseyFresh wrote:
Mountain biking is just a big money train. More so than any other hobby like that, skiing, Moto etc. Carbon this and that and electronics and...
Mountain biking is just a big money train. More so than any other hobby like that, skiing, Moto etc. Carbon this and that and electronics and dropper posts.....a top end carbon trail bike costs like 12 G'!!!! And it doesn't even come with pedals! Haha
DoctorJD wrote:
Couldn't agree more. Cycling (bikes/parts/accessories/gear) is the biggest ripoff in the history of humanity.
If you are an idiot or just like to waste money you can spend a but load.. I buy barely ridden bikes from BC for pennies since there dollar is in the shitter.. 1800$ for this 2 year old Norco


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here are my rides.. love every one of them, and worth every penny


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Moto_Geek 4/15/2016 9:38am
4/15/2016 9:38am Edited Date/Time 4/15/2016 9:47am
MTB, You need a bike for each discipline as well.

Downhill (need the suspension for big hits)
Trail or Enduro (So can pedal) (all terrain light bike with suspension)
Dirt Jumping. (old guy bmx bike for one hander cross ups and whips)

As RoseBud above mention, the key on MTB is to buy a bike a couple years old. The Downhill bike pictured new in 2014 was $5000, recently bought it for $2000 minus the mud.

That about all I got to say about that.

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rosebud441 wrote:
here are my rides.. love every one of them, and worth every penny [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/04/15/131893/s1200_skeers_trail_049.jpg[/img]
here are my rides.. love every one of them, and worth every penny


Wait why do you have 3? Practice Bike? Race Bike? Parts Bike? LOL.. Your more obsessed with DH bikes then me..
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Phillip_Lamb 4/15/2016 10:07am
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MTB, You need a bike for each discipline as well. Downhill (need the suspension for big hits) Trail or Enduro (So can pedal) (all terrain light...
MTB, You need a bike for each discipline as well.

Downhill (need the suspension for big hits)
Trail or Enduro (So can pedal) (all terrain light bike with suspension)
Dirt Jumping. (old guy bmx bike for one hander cross ups and whips)

As RoseBud above mention, the key on MTB is to buy a bike a couple years old. The Downhill bike pictured new in 2014 was $5000, recently bought it for $2000 minus the mud.

That about all I got to say about that.

damn, thats almost as much as a new bike vs a used one
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Homey55 4/15/2016 10:24am
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Who here has a $10k MTB?
Who here has a FE450?

We get what we can afford and we still have just as much fun on what we have. My $750 Raleigh does just fine on the weekend shuttle up Mt. Ashland and my 15 year old Gack handles Pump Track/Dirt Jump/BMX duties just fine! I sure miss the desert and my XR440 though.

I do believe the MTB industry offers better technology though. The average Joe has access to what 99% of the pros have. You can't say the same for MX.







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JerseyFresh 4/15/2016 11:02am
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rosebud441 wrote:
here are my rides.. love every one of them, and worth every penny [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/04/15/131893/s1200_skeers_trail_049.jpg[/img]
here are my rides.. love every one of them, and worth every penny


3 DH bikes huh, baller....and yeah I'm buying my new ride off pinkbike for sure. Like anything, it's as expensive as you make it. I got by with leftovers out of my rental fleet on lunch breaks and loaner bikes for the last 4 years. Now that I can afford a bike it's still gonna cost me as much as a used yz250 for a used Nomad or Slash. But yeah, used Canuck bikes are the way to go.
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rosebud441 wrote:
here are my rides.. love every one of them, and worth every penny [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/04/15/131893/s1200_skeers_trail_049.jpg[/img]
here are my rides.. love every one of them, and worth every penny


did the dealership throw in a 24 pack of condoms and some granola?

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