MM25 Progression

Alright sir.

Who cares?

Marvin does. KTM does. Red Bull does. Thor does. Mathilde does. Airoh...

Anyway, you get the idea.

He scored his first 450 win last season. It won't be his last.

I dunno dude.
Seems a guy kinda hits a peak for a few years in this sport, then, for a lot of reasons, levels off.
Dungey, RC, might have been the exceptions.

I'm thinking it's gonna be a Tomac/MM slugfest, with it all coming down to #3 not crashing out.
Tomac stays up, he wins it.
Not, it's Marvins to lose.

I was just posting in the Tomac thread how Marvin has gained both speed and confidence last season.
There's not a doubt in my mind he will win races in 2018. Marvin stepped up his game and has addapted to the 450 very well. His improvements are plain as day. Don't know how his SX season will pan out but he's definitely leveled up a notch.

I don't understand the OP. Normally, you'd say who cares about X and then post something to the contrary. In this case, both the building of his career in the last couple years and his recent off season success are in complete alignment.

Yeah , I don't get the " who cares " part of the OP , but Marv will be tough to beat this next year. The guy has gotten better and better every year he's been here , especially SX. It WILL be a slug fest this year and I see Marv up there fighting for this title just as much as anyone else.

i'm not a huge marvin fan but if anyone doesn't see him as a title contender, they're not watching very closely. smoothest, consistently fast guy on the track IMO. should be good season to watch.

I really like both MM and ET. Both humble hard working guys and will be happy for either one to win, and I do think it will come down to these two in the end. Kenny will be a spoiler and will win, but in the end if I have to put my own cash on the top 2, its these two. Whoever manages to limit the damage on the bad nights the best will win, and the margin between MM and ET is slim for sure.

After Musquin's rookie season here, I really thought that he'd end up settling into that "next tier" kind of rider that would struggle to eventually finish inside the top 5 when he got to the 450 class. I was hoping for better for him, but he just didn't seem so have "it" when it came to aggressiveness and such.

I'm glad that he's proven me wrong!

I strongly believe Marvin is going to be your 2018 AMA and FIM World SX Champ

I think that Marvin will be better in 2018, but not good enough to beat Eli. Look at how many wins each of them got in 2017. Eli will be better in 2018 too.

Bronson905 wrote:

I strongly believe Marvin is going to be your 2018 AMA and FIM World SX Champ

I don't get the sentiment that Musquin is even a favorite to win the championship. Eli was the cream of the crop in SX last year, and then won the outdoor championship. The fashion he finished outdoors in (although he still won the title) should not be indicative to how he will do in SX a year later.

Every time Dungey won the title in the same fashion, his fanboys were praising his smarts about managing a championship and calling him a favorite to take it all the next year. But, when Tomac did the same thing at the end of this summer... it's all Marvin this, and Marvin that.

I like Marvin a ton, but I don't see the reasoning in the sudden infatuation with him being a hands down favorite.

drok577 wrote:

Who cares about the off season success that Marvin has had, it makes no difference aside from confidence. If your a true fan you will have seen the obvious aggression and speed difference between from his rookie 450 year (2016) to his sophomore year (2017) indoors and out.
His 450 Supercross career so far is very comparable to his 250 Supercross career. His first year (2012) he looked stiff and timid and although close didn't capture a win just like in 2016. Second year (2013) once he figured it out he won 4 of the last 6. In his third year (2015) he dominated the championship winning 6 races.
In 2018 I see Marvin getting great starts, being very consistent, winning about 5 races and being competitive for the title.

"It makes no difference aside from confidence..."

Um, ok... seeing as "confidence" is about the single most important separator between elite level athletes in any sport, it should play no factor whatsoever.

Bronson905 wrote:

I strongly believe Marvin is going to be your 2018 AMA and FIM World SX Champ

aroark247 wrote:

I don't get the sentiment that Musquin is even a favorite to win the championship. Eli was the cream of the crop in SX last year, and then won the outdoor championship. The fashion he finished outdoors in (although he still won the title) should not be indicative to how he will do in SX a year later.

Every time Dungey won the title in the same fashion, his fanboys were praising his smarts about managing a championship and calling him a favorite to take it all the next year. But, when Tomac did the same thing at the end of this summer... it's all Marvin this, and Marvin that.

I like Marvin a ton, but I don't see the reasoning in the sudden infatuation with him being a hands down favorite.

Well, thing is, MM has never been known as a crasher.
And he has slowly acquired the speed of a Tomac.
Without crashing a lot.

Whereas, With Tomac, it's like you're on the end of the seat watching him race.
I know I'm relieved when he crosses the finish line.

Who u gonna get behind?
The guy that was always fast but still crashes, or the guy that's coming up to speed that doesn't?

Bronson905 wrote:

I strongly believe Marvin is going to be your 2018 AMA and FIM World SX Champ

aroark247 wrote:

I don't get the sentiment that Musquin is even a favorite to win the championship. Eli was the cream of the crop in SX last year, and then won the outdoor championship. The fashion he finished outdoors in (although he still won the title) should not be indicative to how he will do in SX a year later.

Every time Dungey won the title in the same fashion, his fanboys were praising his smarts about managing a championship and calling him a favorite to take it all the next year. But, when Tomac did the same thing at the end of this summer... it's all Marvin this, and Marvin that.

I like Marvin a ton, but I don't see the reasoning in the sudden infatuation with him being a hands down favorite.

motogrady wrote:
Well, thing is, MM has never been known as a crasher.
And he has slowly acquired the speed of a Tomac.
Without crashing a lot.

Whereas, With Tomac, it's like you're on the end of the seat watching him race.
I know I'm relieved when he crosses the finish line.

Who u gonna get behind?
The guy that was always fast but still crashes, or the guy that's coming up to speed that doesn't?

Agreed....MM is the better bet....he will give Eli all he can handle and more on occasion.

I like these 2 as front runners going in however cannot discount the talent that is right there with them this year....it's a year IMO where many more can make an appearance on the box including a big step up for a few that have been lurking in the 5-10 spot.

Those thinking Marv is the second coming of dunge are mistaken. He has his bad races like everyone else.

Should be a good season. Ken is my pick but I’m sure it will be a battle. I’d like to see Coop snag a win.

For the guys saying that Marv just wasn’t one of THE guys last season, I think that being the 2nd rider on the team behind Dungey May have played at least a small part. Of course maybe not, what do I know.

He was a tweaked knee away from winning the outdoors this year ..the guy is for real.

I have a feeling we will be seeing a new ( very fast ) Marvin this season.

dirtnapper wrote:

I have a feeling we will be seeing a new ( very fast ) Marvin this season.

We already have...so, I agree. But, I'm not going to be surprised when "21" & "4" crush it, too. Deano will probably surprise us, also.

Forty wrote:

He was a tweaked knee away from winning the outdoors this year ..the guy is for real.

And eli was a few bike problems away from a runaway title win. If doesn't count.

Bronson905 wrote:

I strongly believe Marvin is going to be your 2018 AMA and FIM World SX Champ

aroark247 wrote:

I don't get the sentiment that Musquin is even a favorite to win the championship. Eli was the cream of the crop in SX last year, and then won the outdoor championship. The fashion he finished outdoors in (although he still won the title) should not be indicative to how he will do in SX a year later.

Every time Dungey won the title in the same fashion, his fanboys were praising his smarts about managing a championship and calling him a favorite to take it all the next year. But, when Tomac did the same thing at the end of this summer... it's all Marvin this, and Marvin that.

I like Marvin a ton, but I don't see the reasoning in the sudden infatuation with him being a hands down favorite.

motogrady wrote:
Well, thing is, MM has never been known as a crasher.
And he has slowly acquired the speed of a Tomac.
Without crashing a lot.

Whereas, With Tomac, it's like you're on the end of the seat watching him race.
I know I'm relieved when he crosses the finish line.

Who u gonna get behind?
The guy that was always fast but still crashes, or the guy that's coming up to speed that doesn't?

Guess you missed Ironman, Marvin crashed alone while leading.

He's really grown and progressed a lot since his first 450 season.

Bronson905 wrote:

I strongly believe Marvin is going to be your 2018 AMA and FIM World SX Champ

IMO, a healthy MM wins both SX and MX titles this year ...

Forty wrote:

He was a tweaked knee away from winning the outdoors this year ..the guy is for real.

mxb2 wrote:

And eli was a few bike problems away from a runaway title win. If doesn't count.

Mrs. Tomac?

aroark247 wrote:

I don't get the sentiment that Musquin is even a favorite to win the championship. Eli was the cream of the crop in SX last year, and then won the outdoor championship. The fashion he finished outdoors in (although he still won the title) should not be indicative to how he will do in SX a year later.

Every time Dungey won the title in the same fashion, his fanboys were praising his smarts about managing a championship and calling him a favorite to take it all the next year. But, when Tomac did the same thing at the end of this summer... it's all Marvin this, and Marvin that.

I like Marvin a ton, but I don't see the reasoning in the sudden infatuation with him being a hands down favorite.

Don't compare Tomac's outdoor title to the way Dungey won. RD managed the way to a title by taking second to Villopoto if he had to. He might take a 3rd sometimes. Not even close to how Tomac got smoked on the regular last summer. I'm a Tomac fan jus sayin

mxb2 wrote:

Guess you missed Ironman, Marvin crashed alone while leading.

Yeah I remember. Marvin was pretty much the only rider who had anything for Herlings that day.