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travis-grant travis-grant
12/7/2017 5:21 AM

I heard somewhere years ago that he used the forks off of his 1996 HONDA on the Suzuki as he just couldn't get to grips with the ageing Suzuki front end. How true is this? i'd love some insider knowledge

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smashingpumpkins167 smashingpumpkins167
12/7/2017 5:24 AM

It's true. I'm pretty sure he mentioned it in his book.

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travis-grant travis-grant
12/7/2017 5:26 AM
smashingpumpkins167 wrote:

It's true. I'm pretty sure ...more

Amazing,

Just the logistics alone must have been a real pain. the triple clamps and hubs, or was the WHOLE front end a Honda?

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Donovan759 Donovan759
12/7/2017 5:28 AM

That's interesting. Not surprising though.

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newmann newmann
12/7/2017 5:48 AM

Those were the all new conventional forks SUSZUKI had going during the McGrath year. Way different flex characteristics compared to the inverted forks. He tried a lot of different fork combos from what I remember including some super trick magnesium conventionals with a fork brace tying them together.

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One flat tire away from the championship, correct?

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JAFO92 JAFO92
12/7/2017 5:48 AM

I had a '97 RM250 and thought those 'standard oriented' cartridge forks were great.

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TJMX947 TJMX947
12/7/2017 6:07 AM

In the book he said he took a few different parts from Honda. He said the forks and the front brake were not good on the Suzuki so they used Honda parts.

Yep - One flat tire away from a championship.


I also read somewhere that he bent a 40k set of forks on his YZ250 play riding in the hills, might have been his book but I can't remember.

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TJMX947 TJMX947
12/7/2017 6:09 AM

I loved that FOX Patriot gear, I got it for Christmas in 1996.

I just noticed they were running Renthal sprockets and Pro Taper bars, seems kind of odd.

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yz763 yz763
12/7/2017 6:17 AM
TJMX947 wrote:

I loved that FOX Patriot ...more

I don't think Pro Taper was making sprockets at that point. Some of the best years of my life as a teenager were watching this era of SX. Kids today don't know what they missed out on.

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Melicar Melicar
12/7/2017 6:26 AM

The G.O.A.T. would have won on that bike.

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beamer beamer
12/7/2017 6:44 AM

Its amazing what he was able to accomplish that year given he didn't start preparing until December for the upcoming season. He gave the Suzuki a quantum leap going forward, too bad he didn't stick around there imo.

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H4L H4L
12/7/2017 6:45 AM
Melicar wrote:

The G.O.A.T. would have ...more

LOL ! A good friends brother owned a 96 Zuk model & don't how he rode that thing. It wasn't the most gracious bike at doing anything.

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Melicar Melicar
12/7/2017 6:52 AM
Melicar wrote:

The G.O.A.T. would have ...more

H4L wrote:

LOL ! A good friends ...more

I had the 125 and thought it was a great bike. I rode a 250... once! blink sick laughing

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user760a user760a
12/7/2017 6:53 AM

I had a 1997 RM250. God what a turd. So agonizingly slow after riding a 1995 CR250 for two years. Such an awful bike. junk

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Micahdogg Micahdogg
12/7/2017 7:15 AM
travis-grant wrote:

I heard somewhere years ...more

Those forks were new for 1996, I don't know that I would call them aging. But, as Newmann said, they feel and flex a lot different.

From my amateur experience with a 96 and 97 RM250 that I used to own, the front wheels definitely felt heavier to me on those bikes. Not in a bad way, but like if you were riding an inverted fork bike and packed a bunch of mud/clay into the knobs. It had a different feeling for sure, but those things were beefy as hell. 49mm twin chambers and they ate up any jumps I could throw at them.

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Acidreamer Acidreamer
12/7/2017 7:18 AM

Who the fuck would buy a banana bike anyways

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RussB RussB
12/7/2017 7:25 AM
yz763 wrote:

I don't think Pro Taper ...more

Lucky for us quite a lot of the late 90's races are on Youtube. Not the same as watching it live on the night though, I bet it was awesome.

Loving this thread, I had no idea he used forks from a CR!

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ATKpilot99 ATKpilot99
12/7/2017 7:38 AM

Suzuki really got a bad rap back then with both MC and LaRocco hating that bike

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mattyhamz2 mattyhamz2
12/7/2017 8:09 AM
Melicar wrote:

The G.O.A.T. would have ...more

H4L wrote:

LOL ! A good friends ...more

MC and Wheeler were out at Gorman that year and we were hanging out with them(wheeler has been a long time family friend as is MC) and wheeler swapped really bad and almost ended up on his head. We were all standing with MC at the time and my mom said look at that piece of shit Suzuki swap. She looked at MC and said omg I’m so sorry and he laughed and said, no you’re totally right. None of us will ever forget that!

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H4L H4L
12/7/2017 8:27 AM
mattyhamz2 wrote:

MC and Wheeler were out at ...more

In the mid 90's when we raced together I was on a 93 CR2 & my friend was on a 96 CR2 while his brother was on the 96 RM250. After the motos he looked the most worn out of the 3 of us. The bike didn't handle well & had a very short powerband if I recall.

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Phillip_Lamb Phillip_Lamb
12/7/2017 8:29 AM
travis-grant wrote:

I heard somewhere years ...more

the forks weren't old. In fact many people have said the right side up forks were awesome.....on a moto track. reality was they flexed too much for supercross, they even built a custom brace for them at one point

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TeamGreen TeamGreen
12/7/2017 8:43 AM

Mag-Lowers were $1,000 each....in '97/'98

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H4L H4L
12/7/2017 8:43 AM

Quote from member DavidR:

1997 factory RM 250. McGrath said in his book Wide Open "the Suzuki was giving me problems I wasn't sure I could overcome. It handled poorly and was really slow. How's that? Compared to my CRs, the RM was a turtle. Handled like one, too. The bike didn't hit hard enough anywhere in the powerband. It was sluggish coming out of corners and just didn't have the mid - range to run with other bikes on the straightaways." He goes on to rail on the conventional Showa forks and the clutch as well. Don't think he enjoyed his year on the Suzuki.

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loftyair loftyair
12/7/2017 9:14 AM

I had that bike. Best forks I have ever felt. Good for all but the best sx guy. Power was low. He would of won that championship, if it weren't for a few things. Lamson at A1 crashed into mc twice! Then the front flat.

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crockett crockett
12/7/2017 9:15 AM

Was the '99 when they switched forks a better bike? My dad bought a 98 rm250 bike off a friend and it ushered in our family's re introduction to dirt bikes. I got my first xr100 shortly after. I still remember it being the best looking bikes to date. It was laced with rims and powder coated frame and such. A real looker

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crockett crockett
12/7/2017 9:18 AM

http://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/1998-RM-250-any-good,1255644
Seems when the bike isn't tied to McGrath, people were fond of it

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ATKpilot99 ATKpilot99
12/7/2017 9:20 AM

Having to split the cases to change a water pump seal wasn't the brightest idea Suzuki ever had.

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PFitzG38 PFitzG38
12/7/2017 9:37 AM
smashingpumpkins167 wrote:

It's true. I'm pretty sure ...more

I'm kind of doubting that. That would be something I should know of and would remember (lol just sayn') I don't see Roger or anyone at Suz allowing that. I'm looking at his book now but don't feel like going through it. Just don't believe it happened. I know all about his fork issues with flex and one off braces and whatnot - just don't think he ever solved it, especially like you claim

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Sidecar Sidecar
12/7/2017 9:52 AM

Those fork braces weren’t a one off, a lot of the Suzuki guys used them, especially Greg Albertijn...
Travis Pastrana never seemed to have too many issues with RMs... And if memory serves me right he did the odd jump on them...

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SoCalMX70 SoCalMX70
12/7/2017 10:20 AM

Forks were off of his old practice Honda, Suzuki built the clamps.

James

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