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PED's work on the same principles but in positive ways. You can ride harder longer . So if cokes can affect your riding I'm 100% that peds can help you ride better.
What sort of testing program would work if use can be hidden? Because the argument in this toilet bowl of a thread seems to be circling around "users can evade even the best tests and RV so RV is lying."
If you can't test, and RV's negative tests mean nothing, and his advocacy of testing means nothing, and his offer to have someone put his money where his mouth is (a small part of the Pulp discussion) actually "proves" he is juicing, then this has been reduced to a conclusion where the only fact is RV wins, and with that single fact he must be juicing. And that's BS.
If people are concerned with ped use in the sport, then it would be better to deal with that generally and focus on what can be done about that (not some simple ass generalization that they should test) rather that have a witch hunt focusing on one guy because he wins. And be sure to deal with the costs of that and their affect on a small, economically fragile sport, because the one thing that's clear is that billion dollar sports are wrapped up in expensive efforts to have credible and fair programs and still are struggling with effectiveness in finding out cheaters. Which, at the end of the day, will leave us where we are now:!with accusers who have no basis for accusation other than a guy's performance.
But where we actually are is that people have their minds made up usually based on who they root for. The people who believe RV is cheating will simply believe he beat the test if he tests clean, regardless of whether its a program test, a protest test, or a 100k bet test.
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RV has won all his life... Why would he suddenly now be juicing?
Yeah he's fitter this year than last, and the year before, but do any of you goto the gym? That's what happens when you train every day and eat well. Some of you are talking like he went from last to first!!!
The only thing he has that the others don't is a fucking big set of balls and the willingness to keep his right wrist wfo when others won't.
BTW, he was like that when he was on 80s
So if I drink cokes for a month and it affects my performance then the conclusion from this experiment is, of course, that PEDs will greatly increase it because PEDs work the opposite of coke.
Sounds to me like this explanation is the same as this one --> RV is winning all the time so he is most definitely using PEDs
Can this thread get any more retarded?
You guys are thinking too hard. Take a step back.
1 - Cokes probably aren’t a good example of a caffeine supplement. Try coffee. Completely healthy and does not "rob your blood of oxygen".
2 - I hear old farts saying "I wish I could go back and feel like I was 25 again"..... BOOM! That's roids. It doesn’t give you arm pump or any of this BS. It enables you to use the same skills you have developed over the years but at your physical prime.
3 - Saying that just doing roids won’t make you faster. WHAT? NO SHIT SHERLOCK! That's the same as saying "Here is a factory Kawasaki, I know you ride the C class but this bike will make you as fast as Villi.” These drugs are made for people that are already there and looking for another edge. The same reason pros use magnesium hubs. Guess what? RVs bike wasn’t as trick at Loretta’s as it is now but does that mean he should just ride a stock Kawi? I mean why not? Fuck it, he's fast right?
Lance was beating a dozen riders that were failing tests, while he claimed innocence.
To answer my own question before, it is minor league baseball players who are getting busted at a higher rate than guys in the majors.
Many of you (on both sides of the argument) have a pretty loose grasp on what PEDs can do, how the tests are run, and what it takes to hide them.
Tyler Hamilton's book addresses some of that.
All of that said, most of the tests are behind the technology of doping.
The profile created by a biological passport seems to be turning up some good results and the drug makers putting genetic markers in the drug has tripped up a couple of folks (Ricco for one).
So, the anaerobic/aerobic demands of competitive road cycling are the same as for professional motocross? Do you believe steroids are beneficial for moto?
This industry is tiny compared to what the keyboard warriors believe. Everyone knows everything.
And, for the record I don't believe those guys are doping. If they are, its EVERYONE and the sport will collapse.
As much as the millions they have to gain, there is too much to lose.
Work hard and twist the throttle.
PEDs help football players...........................That's why they use them
PEDs help baseball players.........................That's why they use them
PEDs help distance runners........................That's why they use them
PEDs help sprinters.....................................That's why they use them
PEDs help bicyclists....................................That's why they use them
PEDs help weightlifters...............................That's why they use them
PEDs help boxers........................................That's why they use them
Ect................
Pit Row
"PED's help" yeah, ok...Laughable!
BTW.. is arm pump a factor in any of those other sports?
Because a guy get's it together, well, has had it together
since he was a little kid, he's saucing.
No matter how much the guy complies with the program,
because there's something out there that might get by the current tests,
he's guilty.
How can a guy win in those conditions?
The finger pointers, like a heroin addict on dope, will never be satisfied.
They will always shed a light of doubt on anything they feel they want or need to.
Be it fact or fiction.
So really, how can a guy like RV ever win the argument?
He's a winner, he's a cheater.
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.
To me I really don't care if it is legal or not, I would just prefer a level playing field. Make it available to all the riders and not just the ones that can pay trainers 250k a year. Along with transponders they can hand out vials/needles and IV's
And for the record I believe RV is the most talented and driven rider in racing
RV with out PED vs RV with out PED.... RV PED wins hands down. I agree.
Note: I do not believe these riders are on PEDs until evidence is displayed disputing my hyothesis. Making claims against riders without sufficient evidence is bull shit
Looking back over the years I do see a common "decline" in the "racing" side of either sport (MX or SX) and the biggest thing is not the idea that PEDs are possibly involved (I may choke on crow someday, but I do myself not believe it for an instant!), but that racing is taken aback by the rule book and the pocket book.
Go back to 1989, 90, 91 and think of some of the riders who were racing then. Damon Bradshaw comes to mind, as well as Jeff M. and few other guys that were not afraid to mix it up and put someone over a hay bale if it came down to it and if there were fines, they were minimal compared to what a rider loses today and most of the riders are paid "crap" for putting their lives on the line every race for their sport and our entertainment.
Back then, Bradshaw ghosting Jeff M., with his bike not only made the "story line" (if you will,..not saying this is scripted or WWE) more stronger and drove fans passion mad, but it also drove other riders to either be faster, stay in the back to avoid Bradshaw or whoever else who was relentless with their drive to win.
Nowadays, the fines are severe and can result in a rider literally losing their season, career and much more for being overly aggressive with another rider. The bikes have gotten faster but the underlying story is the same..., if you want to win, you have to move people out of the way. RV is the best there is at this. I admit that even though I am 100% a Dungey fan. RV is not afraid to risk himself (he rarely takes someone else out in the process of moving ahead) but he isnt afraid to take a fall to gain a position and thats unfortunately what I see lacking in every other rider now, even Dungey.
Stewart used to have it. Reed used to have it, but they both either have settled into a "just get through" attitude or they are considering their own future (do they want to be beat up by their crashes if their aggressiveness fails and backfires?). RV is young yet and possibly can afford to take that necessary risk to hold the gas when others let off for a turn. If RV can use the rider in front of him as a catapult in a corner to get ahead, he sees no problem doing it and again, he RARELY ever takes anyone out doing it. The last time I recall it was the same race where RV broke his leg and ankle in St. Louis in 2010.
Look at Trey Canard. He used to be just as aggressive and instinctive as RV was in the 250 class and even put RV on the ground a few times, even once nearly running him into the finish line post. He still has that tendency but I think he realizes that it has hurt him more than helped him sometimes. Trey is an awesome racer and a fantastic human being but even he had a mental toughness that just made him throw all care to the wind and race as hard as anyone and even more so. Justin Barcia also had this tenacity that RV has now at some point but I think he has even leveled out to some extent.
Basically what I am seeing is that RV is the only one out there on the race track willing to put everything, including himself and his future, on the line to win. He will go faster than everyone on a certain part of the track that others back off on. He shoots through a damn corner like pinball bouncing off of a wall and hell to ever is in his way when he does. No, its not that he doesnt care. He probably cares too much about winning and this is from a guy who says he could walk away from this sport without a second thought.
I just think all of the other riders need to do the same thing. If it puts RV in a situation that he isnt comfortable with, RV will back off. If Dungey had pulled in front of RV last week and put on the gas and then cut RV off, even at the risk of both of them going down, I think RV would have finally got the message that Dungey wouldnt settle for that anymore. They may go down a few times like this, but eventually RV would see that someone else has a big as balls as he does and will choose whatever else he can do to get around, but it wouldnt be the over aggressive gassing into a turn that he is famous for.
I dont know anything about motorcross or supercross, but I do know what I see and I see one guy that is waiting for a challenger that will step up and put it to him. Dungey is the only other one that is close enough to do that and until RD does do that, RV will go unchallenged. I dont think that has anything to do with PEDS....I think it just 100% mental!
If you take HGH you can workout harder more often. It may not take seconds off your lap time directly but it helps you to prepare at a rate faster than you could do without it.
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