First 2-stroke. Help me speak with my wallet! (Edit: wallet has spoken)

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2/6/2020 7:55 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/6/2020 8:25 PM

170-175 pound, self-proclaimed forever-C level rider, 90% riding tracks, 10% trails. Got my first big-bore bike in 2006 with a CRF250R, rode 250Fs until I got a 450 a little over a year ago, and it's time for a change. Realized I dont need that much power at my disposal since I only get out to ride maybe twice a month these days, and after watching so many videos of dudes ripping on 2-strokes, I figured I wanted to get in on the fun.

However, I have no 2 stroke experience when it comes to track riding. Also, at my weight, I'm not sure if I'd want more out of a 125/150, or if a 250 would be too much. All that being said, I've been thinking of a few options...

1. A new KTM 150SX or 250SX. I'd spend a lot more than buying used but I would have a freshie for the first time in my life, on one of the more modern 2-strokes available. Heard the lack of vibration is great, too.

2. A used YZ125 or YZ250. Definitely cheaper, an '06 is basically the same as new (right?), and it has good suspension. Wouldn't be going all out if I decided 2-strokes weren't for me and I wanted to sell it, but I hope that wouldn't be the case.

3. A used 2000's 125 or 250. Kawi, Suzuki, Honda... they're all over Craigslist for cheap, but I see concerns about finding parts for these as the years go on. Pretty neat builds out there, but I'm not sure what all would be involved cost-wise when it comes to getting one of these ragged-out Craigslist finds built back up to good shape.

A lot of options to choose from. I know I'd probably be happy going in any direction, but I want to hear some of your opinions.

First 2-stroke.

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2/6/2020 8:17 PM

Id vote a new husky or ktm 250sx. You can tune them to be very mellow with the ignition mapping they come with and adjustable powervalve. They are very versatile engines and incredibly potent bikes. Get it and dont look back!

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2/6/2020 8:20 PM

You might want to consider a 300 also.

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2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart

2/6/2020 8:28 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/6/2020 8:31 PM

YZ250 06+ RM250 05+ with a flywheel weight at first. Take it off after 20hrs and see how you like it.

If you don't like the 2stroke after all, you can sell them and get most of your money back.. If you like it, go for a new one.

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2/6/2020 8:33 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/6/2020 8:35 PM

I loved my 03 CR250 fwiw. Engine was dismal compared to my 01, but I always wished I’d kept it and maybe tweaked it some. I could rail that CR. Loved my 07RM250 as well, but I gelled with the CR more. Rode a yz144 once and didn’t care for the ergonomics at all.

I’m 5’11 170

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2/6/2020 8:44 PM

YZ or KTM/HUS period for cheaper and plentiful parts. I wouldn't even bother with the other brands unless you're doing a speical resto build where money is no object.

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James

2/6/2020 9:06 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/6/2020 9:17 PM

if you only ride "maybe" twice a month like you say, and you have zero 2 stroke experience... i'd say don't sell that 450 until you've tried a 250 smoker a for a couple of months... you may be surprised at what is easier to ride...


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2/6/2020 9:08 PM

02-07 CR2 - I’m in the minority.
Best 250 2t chassis ridden to date in 4 decades of riding. The engine comes alive with some mods if you’re after more performance.

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Speak softly and carry a big stick.

2/6/2020 9:11 PM

Love my white ktm

I came off a 01 yz250 and it is night and day better, I love being able to fiddle with the power valve and hit since I ride a lot of different types of dirt and tracks

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2/6/2020 9:28 PM

I voted used yz250 but if you have the money for new i would go that. Yes, they haven't changed anything major in that time but they run perfect off the showroom floor and aftermarket support is huge.
IMO, it's between a new 250sx or new yz250

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2/6/2020 9:39 PM

KTM 250 new enough to have the counter balancer would be my choice. If you wanna save a thousand bucks then get a YZ.

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2/6/2020 10:21 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/7/2020 1:01 AM

Look no further, I have the perfect machine for you. It's a panty dropper, you can thank me later. 😜

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http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Anyone-interested-in-a-CR500-Dual-Sport-wheelie-machine,1371416

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2/6/2020 11:21 PM

I would consider the TM MX144 as an option too

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2/7/2020 12:29 AM

I had 450s for years my last one being a KTM 450 FE and got the two stroke bug as well. I went to a Husky TC 250 and haven’t regretted it at all. I don’t get nearly as tired as I did holding onto a 450. It will take a bit of time to re learn your brain on how to ride but unlike some older two strokes the new KTM/Husky variations are able to not be on the pipe 100% of the time. I’ll most likely stay two stroke. The only way I’d go back 4 is with a 350. Good luck

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2/7/2020 2:31 AM

Another crazy idea: get a used 125 AND a used 250. 2 is better than 1!

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2/7/2020 2:39 AM

Tc250 or 250sx all day new find a left over 2018 or newer amazing bikes to ride.

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2/7/2020 2:42 AM

If you’re c class just buy the 300xc. Probably no bike you will go faster on in any terrain.

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2/7/2020 2:49 AM

H4L wrote:

02-07 CR2 - I’m in the minority.
Best 250 2t chassis ridden to date in 4 decades of riding. The engine comes alive with some mods if you’re after more performance.

Agree

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2/7/2020 3:10 AM


Missing the "Used KTM/Husky 250 or 300" in the pool. It may be an intermediate solution financially between the 06 250 yz and the left over or brand new KTM/Husky. I don't know the market but maybe there are so good deals on, to try if it really fits your style without going all in directly. I would however be more careful at buying a used ktm/husky because most of the buyers are probably more into racing, and if i remember well there were also some years where the forks were not unanimously appreciated and needed some work. Vital members can help regarding which years to look for wink
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2/7/2020 6:20 AM

Question wrote:
Missing the "Used KTM/Husky 250 or 300" in the pool. It may be an intermediate solution financially between the 06 250 yz and the left over or brand new KTM/Husky. I don't know the market but maybe there are so good deals on, to try if it really fits your style without going all in directly. I would however be more careful at buying a used ktm/husky because most of the buyers are probably more into racing, and if i remember well there were also some years where the forks were not unanimously appreciated and needed some work. Vital members can help regarding which years to look for wink

Yes the 4cs forks. I had them on my 2016 250xc. Swapped them out for the forks on my 2012 200xc.

I think they went to air forks in 2017?

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2/7/2020 7:16 AM

Thanks for the input, guys! I think I've narrowed it down to either:

1. New 250SX/TC250 (might entertain a 300XC like some of you had mentioned), or

2. Used YZ250

Probably throwing the 125 idea out, as well as the older gen bikes. I've been leaning toward the new 250SX but there are pretty good arguments made for each. Either way, a 250 with a flywheel weight off the bat seems like a good way to get adjusted to a two stroke coming from the 450.

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2/7/2020 7:24 AM

thatswhathappens wrote:

Thanks for the input, guys! I think I've narrowed it down to either:

1. New 250SX/TC250 (might entertain a 300XC like some of you had mentioned), or

2. Used YZ250

Probably throwing the 125 idea out, as well as the older gen bikes. I've been leaning toward the new 250SX but there are pretty good arguments made for each. Either way, a 250 with a flywheel weight off the bat seems like a good way to get adjusted to a two stroke coming from the 450.

I think these are your best options, but in addition to used 2017 or newer 250sx or Husky (as mentioned previously).

Secondly, if you go the KTM or Husky route, I'd just play with the jetting/power valve setting and not even worry about a flywheel weight.

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2/7/2020 8:23 AM

you got to get that counter ballencer

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2/7/2020 8:38 AM

Used KTM 125sx. 2017+ year models are all current and if you can find a 2017 it'll be $4-5k. This also opens up the chance to race some 125 classes. YZ250 has a ton of vibration coming through the handlebars. I sold mine for that reason.
Currently riding '09 YZ125 and '19 CRF450

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2/7/2020 8:58 AM

Used YZ250: Not quite as powerful as a 450, but close. More violent, though.
New 250: Less violent, more powerful than the above.
Used 125: potential for roachiness, especially if it's a 144. The good news is that you can rebuild from top to bottom for cheap!
New 150: This might be your sweeeeet spot, if you have the $. Otherwise, try a used 250.

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Braaapin' aint easy.

2/7/2020 9:03 AM

A nice used YZ250 is what you need...2010+ if you can. If you have a big budget, the new KTM's are awesome bikes. but, you can get a lot of bike for a small amount of money with a YZ.

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Tomac and/or Anderson for 2020.....

2/7/2020 6:35 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/7/2020 6:36 PM

Tac on another vote for the bike with a counter balancer the vibration is hardly even there

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2/7/2020 6:51 PM

Spudnut wrote:

Tac on another vote for the bike with a counter balancer the vibration is hardly even there

I've noticed a lot of people saying it's a big plus, but can you put an aftermarket counter balancer on a YZ to make it feel similar?

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2/7/2020 7:19 PM

Spudnut wrote:

Tac on another vote for the bike with a counter balancer the vibration is hardly even there

thatswhathappens wrote:

I've noticed a lot of people saying it's a big plus, but can you put an aftermarket counter balancer on a YZ to make it feel similar?

Maybe with 25k in designing and fab work.

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2/7/2020 7:25 PM

Spudnut wrote:

Tac on another vote for the bike with a counter balancer the vibration is hardly even there

thatswhathappens wrote:

I've noticed a lot of people saying it's a big plus, but can you put an aftermarket counter balancer on a YZ to make it feel similar?

I had an rm250 till Xmas and mates have got yz250’s both awesome fun to ride. I am no euro bike fan boy but I’ll say this the power on my tc250 is a lot smother the bike turns well but I haven’t gotten used to the aer48 forks need to find a good setting or have springs installed. I’m no pro at all but the front end bounces back at me real hard and gets worse the longer you ride. That would be my only negative comment on the bike. I could never hold a wheelie long on the rm as the power would hit but on the tc not a problem smile as it’s a lot smother.

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