Little Jimmy Holley, wayback machine.

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Pics from the wayback machine, courtesy of an Aussie friend. Or is it Aussie mate? Holley on a ultra trick PK Racing Mini Elsinore from the World Mini GP days. Would that be PK Racings Paul Kaitz next to him?



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Here is a pic of Wardy's rig from the day as well. One of many stages of the Mini Elsie development they had going on. C&J based 4130 chromoly hand built frames and swingarms with sleeved down CR125 engines. The two stroke minis Honda wouldn't build.



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Cool picture of Holley bikes. Him and Bobby Jones raced those PK XRs at our local track. Jones rode a monoshock. They usually put all the mini classes on the same gate so I got a good ass wiping on my stock XR .
I was at Indian Dunes on a practice day in 76,77 ? On my 76yz80. Holley was there on a mini Elsinore ( probably the one in the picture ?). I was talking with him about his bike. Seems like I remember him saying it hauled ass but was hard to ride.

Anyway cool pictures.
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I guess I'm old , huge Jim Holly fan.

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Hey Newman,
Did you buy Garrit Wolsink's Collection From the Vegas Motorcycle Auction this year?

Don't know If I would restore this beaut of leave as is...great collectors item for sure
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Years later practicing end of Mason in the San Fernando Valley.
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motomx88 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/08/22/211068/s1200_IMAG0056.jpg[/img] Years later practicing end of Mason in the San Fernando Valley.


Years later practicing end of Mason in the San Fernando Valley.
That was a fun track. The one at the end of Topanga was good too.
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were those Mini Elsinore chassis XR75 ones with CR125 motors? Or?? I always wondered how they were built.
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were those Mini Elsinore chassis XR75 ones with CR125 motors? Or?? I always wondered how they were built.
were those Mini Elsinore chassis XR75 ones with CR125 motors? Or?? I always wondered how they were built.
C&J Frames built custom frames to fit the cr125 motor sleeved down to 100cc. Cr125 trees and forks. I think the only xr75 part was the gas tank.
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were those Mini Elsinore chassis XR75 ones with CR125 motors? Or?? I always wondered how they were built.
were those Mini Elsinore chassis XR75 ones with CR125 motors? Or?? I always wondered how they were built.
No, purpose built for the CR125 engine and components robbed from a CR125 donor bike. Shortened (or not) front forks, CR hubs laced to a 17 inch front and 16 inch rear rim to make them mini class legal. Fuel tank and seat were taken from the XR75. Frame kit cost the same as a shiny new YZ80 at the time($475.00) and a complete mini elsie was $2000.00. Only the rich kids like Mini Elsinore here on Vital had them...Laughing

These things were like a mid life crisis bike for me. Looked for one for so long that when I found one, I found another and another and...ended up with six of them. Paid stupid money for a few. One was a flat tracker chassis that as it turns out belonged to and was raced by a fellow Vitaler when he was young. I know, cool story bro.Smile





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One of ours headed out on the track at Rio quite a few years back. Little man is all grown up these days.



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PTshox wrote:
were those Mini Elsinore chassis XR75 ones with CR125 motors? Or?? I always wondered how they were built.
were those Mini Elsinore chassis XR75 ones with CR125 motors? Or?? I always wondered how they were built.
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No, purpose built for the CR125 engine and components robbed from a CR125 donor bike. Shortened (or not) front forks, CR hubs laced to a 17...
No, purpose built for the CR125 engine and components robbed from a CR125 donor bike. Shortened (or not) front forks, CR hubs laced to a 17 inch front and 16 inch rear rim to make them mini class legal. Fuel tank and seat were taken from the XR75. Frame kit cost the same as a shiny new YZ80 at the time($475.00) and a complete mini elsie was $2000.00. Only the rich kids like Mini Elsinore here on Vital had them...Laughing

These things were like a mid life crisis bike for me. Looked for one for so long that when I found one, I found another and another and...ended up with six of them. Paid stupid money for a few. One was a flat tracker chassis that as it turns out belonged to and was raced by a fellow Vitaler when he was young. I know, cool story bro.Smile





Newman, did I read in another thread some time back that you had a double down tube C&J xr75 frame?
Back in the day I saw the monoshock frames and some red line frames but Ward was the only one I ever saw with the C&J frame. Those have to be some rare birds.
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Those things look pretty darn cool! Even today. )
I actually had one of those PK racing jersey's too. Too funny.
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Holley was a big participant in the parking lot races in Jacksonville at the second WinterNational (Mini O's for you youngsters) in 1973. We all spent most of an afternoon tearing up all the grass between the parking lot of the motel and the highway. He was on an uber-fast GT80 at that time. Al Holley could build some fast motorcycles.

I often wonder what the carpet cleaning bill was for that motel after the WinterNationals left.Laughing Every room probably had 2-4 bikes in them in various states of cleanliness. Good times!
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Found some old PK catalogs online with "Jimmy" in there:




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newmann wrote:
Pics from the wayback machine, courtesy of an Aussie friend. Or is it Aussie mate? Holley on a ultra trick PK Racing Mini Elsinore from the...
Pics from the wayback machine, courtesy of an Aussie friend. Or is it Aussie mate? Holley on a ultra trick PK Racing Mini Elsinore from the World Mini GP days. Would that be PK Racings Paul Kaitz next to him?



I had those same leathers, colors and all. Malcolm Smith 'Gold Medal' leathers.

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Newman, did I read in another thread some time back that you had a double down tube C&J xr75 frame? Back in the day I saw...
Newman, did I read in another thread some time back that you had a double down tube C&J xr75 frame?
Back in the day I saw the monoshock frames and some red line frames but Ward was the only one I ever saw with the C&J frame. Those have to be some rare birds.
Yes, the twin down tube C&J XR frames are super rare and extremely hard to find. Although I am not much of an XR75 enthusiast, the abundance of trick aftermarket goodies has always sucked me in. I may have one, or three of those frames...

Also, the DG Monos, PK Monos, and Redline, got a few of those too. Retirement projectsDizzy
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C&J XR. Not mine, but the same.

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"I had those same leathers, colors and all. Malcolm Smith 'Gold Medal' leathers. "

I had the same boots....when I started, got them off Gary Chaplin
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newmann wrote:
One of ours headed out on the track at Rio quite a few years back. Little man is all grown up these days. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/08/22/211082/s1200_stevo.jpg[/img]
One of ours headed out on the track at Rio quite a few years back. Little man is all grown up these days.



Joe, who was this "little man"?
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Newman, did I read in another thread some time back that you had a double down tube C&J xr75 frame? Back in the day I saw...
Newman, did I read in another thread some time back that you had a double down tube C&J xr75 frame?
Back in the day I saw the monoshock frames and some red line frames but Ward was the only one I ever saw with the C&J frame. Those have to be some rare birds.
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Yes, the twin down tube C&J XR frames are super rare and extremely hard to find. Although I am not much of an XR75 enthusiast, the...
Yes, the twin down tube C&J XR frames are super rare and extremely hard to find. Although I am not much of an XR75 enthusiast, the abundance of trick aftermarket goodies has always sucked me in. I may have one, or three of those frames...

Also, the DG Monos, PK Monos, and Redline, got a few of those too. Retirement projectsDizzy
I have a number of projects that have been redesignated as retirement projects.
Well, if one of those C&J or Redline frames ever takes up too much space I have room for one more project.
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One of ours headed out on the track at Rio quite a few years back. Little man is all grown up these days. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/08/22/211082/s1200_stevo.jpg[/img]
One of ours headed out on the track at Rio quite a few years back. Little man is all grown up these days.



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Joe, who was this "little man"?
Youngest son, turned 23 today!

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Holley autograph in here amongst the other greats of the sport. He was filling in for Jimmy Ellis since Ellis couldn't make it to the race. Wore an Ellis jersey and gave it to my oldest son after the races. Cool as can be, shot the shit with the little Newmann pictured above when he was only 7 years old at the 2002 YROC Race at Glen Helen. Next day, Jim sees him in the pits and calls him by name. I was impressed. Also impressed at his story telling abilities at the post race bench racing session with all the other legends. Hosted by none other than Motoworlds Larry Maiers.

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newmann wrote:
One of ours headed out on the track at Rio quite a few years back. Little man is all grown up these days. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/08/22/211082/s1200_stevo.jpg[/img]
One of ours headed out on the track at Rio quite a few years back. Little man is all grown up these days.



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Joe, who was this "little man"?
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Youngest son, turned 23 today!
Youngest son, turned 23 today!

I remember the superminis built by EC Birt for Pedro Perales using the CR125 engine sleeved down that were super trick. They had German Krober ignitions and a host of goodies. The last time I saw it was piled up with a bunch of junk bikes behind his uncles shop. I wish I could find it now.
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Has anyone got that iconic shot of JH leading the pack of minis that includes the prototype RM80 in 1976 ridden by Shmitz and has Ward on his XR in the mix? I've been trying to find it.
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JAFO92 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/08/24/211218/s1200_csteel_116_16.jpg[/img]


Fabio looking kid on the left. Name the girlfriend.

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