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Weather, tree cover and other disruptive factors will have a huge impact on devices like LITPro, CBX, etc. too! See this image from the Blog Post
I will do a few more comparisons as soon as I’m able to ride again and post the results on my blog.
Don't get me wrong! I know how much time you spent to develop Crossbox, I really do! And I also like the new developments. Just some tech talk that may help people with well-founded decisions...
The upfront cost is a little more than Litpro but the yearly is a lot cheaper and they have a option to purchase a lifetime subscription. Cost really doesn't matter though if the product doesn't work but I've used Litpro and I believe this to be a superior product. Asides from all the data you get the download is super fast (under a minute) and you don't need internet.
I honestly would have bought a Litpro but I use android and I've been waiting years for Litpro to cover our with something and they failed. Call it a blessing though as I'm real happy with the Crossbox 20.
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Its a bit finicky to setup so far but i will test it out more thoroughly next weekend and report my findings on whether or not this is a useful alternative.
Crossbox CBX20 is available for €229 and gets shipped to the US as well, the accuracy of the GPS is much better compared to the Gopro and also slightly better than the Dual XGPS160. Additionally, the CBX20 records acceleration forces, heart rates, and is 100% waterproof.
Cheers!
The best thing I liked about MXBuddy was the file import support. As you know, not all devices are supported by CrossBox and LITPro. Yet with MXBuddy I can use ANY gps that exports a gpx file. Including a $40 Chinese GPS fitness watch (That will give you terrible, terrible results lmao). Also including arduino's, rasberry pi's, I said any, right? I'm not a typical user obviously.
I also stated that they should check it out. They already have the devices, the app is cheap and made by a guy on the Forums as well. Support errbody! I've had a CrossBox subscription many times. For less than a Month of LITPro or CrossBox you can OWN MXBuddy and the dude here on the forums get's $7. How bout dat!?
I would be interested. How is your CrossBox device better than a GoPro (GPS wise)? I agree, the acceleration/gforce sensors will be better on your unit. Can I get a GPX example file from the CrossBox? I've had them from pretty much every other device including a LITPro. LITPro, GoPro, both work at 20hz. Same with an arduino/gps combo you can purchase anywhere online. For some reason manufacturers do not make these 20hz GPS units in "Dongle" form, like the XGPS160. I believe it needs the "computer" part (like the arduino I mentioned) to bring all the necessary sensors together and it's too large to be a dongle, and turns into something like your CrossBox device.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKOX2NzGE_0
Which GoPro will you use?
I don't have my GoPro yet so I have nothing to back it up. I got a file from a guy on some other forums and we both confirmed they were 20hz gpx files. 20hz files look similar in the GPX file programs we use when comparing my arduino 20hz units and the GoPro files. Of course you can always get better GPS units. I wouldn't think 50hz would be useful as a lot of old forums point to, but scaling it down to 25hz may get you even better results than 20hz obviously.
My wife decided last night that the GoPro should be last and I need to focus on a new truck so I think I need to step away from these things for awhile lol. But she also said I should get an Apple Watch
I go by hardware data not what the ski team says!
The only thing I was thinking is if there's any way of tethering it to the helmet so if it gets knocked off the velcro it'll stay attached and I won't lose it? My LITPro fell off three times in the five years I had it, and the last time I didn't realise and I lost it. Would like to not repeat this expensive mistake if at all possible.
Cheers
Simon
1. The XGPS160 is NOT required to use the MX Buddy app. You can use every GPS device you want (e.g. Polar, Garmin), except the CBX20 (and the old LITPro device which is not produced anymore). The Crossbox is designed to just work with the Crossbox app, to avoid people buying the device and then use another app without the Crossbox subscription. That's a shame, but it absolutely makes sense for their business.
2. The XGPS160 is not that bad in terms of quality and stability. I own several devices for testing different firmware and stuff. One of these devices I use for my personal riding all the time. Bought it from Crossbox-Nino years ago ;-) All devices still work like the first day. I also hardly get any reports from customers about broken devices.
3. The XGPS160 was the device Crossbox was selling itself a while ago. They stated at their website, that this device is the future of Motocross analytics and has superb accuracy and only 0.05s deviation in time. Many of the world’s top riders, like Jordi Tixier, where using it to improve their lap times. Now that Crossbox has built their own device, the XGPS160 is crap. Alright, I get it…
4. Now a little more on timing accuracy. Riding an oval on a flat surface with clear view to the sky (see video on „How accurate is Crossbox“) is a very trivial task for any GPS sensor. Even a cheap GPS watch will be pretty accurate (in terms of timing) in this case (due to interpolation). The XGPS160 delivers positions at 10Hz. That is more than enough even for analyzing short segments and line choices. (See my comparison at the end of this post for a real life example.)
5. Now let’s take a look at position accuracy. What accuracy do we actually need? 50cm? 10cm or even 1cm? All the apps mentioned show the lines as an overlay on a map (Google, Apple, etc.). These maps are updated every now and then and will more or less represent the real track layout and of course not the ruts that developed the day you were riding. So will you see the exact line you were riding on the track? Think about it. In addition the device is mounted on top of the helmet (or the front fender), which is more than 1m over the ground. So what happens if you lean your bike in a corner? The position of your device will be nowhere near your tires (when projected onto the ground). If you just lean your bike 30° the deviation is already 50cm (!) when mounted to the fender (on the helmet even more). So again, how much accuracy do you need?
6. App Features. The CBX20 has an internal sensor that records acceleration and forces. So if you want to know how far you jumped (for whatever reason) or want to get more insight into your braking and acceleration, the CBX20 is one device that is capable of such things. The XGPS160 is not directly, only braking and acceleration via speed values, which is less accurate. MX Buddy has more features than Crossbox, like multiple data sources, live timing, a bike setups log, bike maintenance and a lot more. Not everyone needs all this stuff, I know. But it’s there ;-) On the other hand, Crossbox is available for Android, which is pretty cool! I know many riders were waiting for that for a very long time.
I was at my local track today and recorded with my Garmin Instinct and the XGPS160. To give you guys an impression of what is possible with the devices, here is comparison from within MX Buddy:
Cheers,
Chris 🤙
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If your HR spikes in specific regions on the track, you are maybe holding your breath. You could set yourself “breathing reminders” on jumps or straightaways.
Most of all we want you to get hooked on timing your laps. It makes your day at the track so much more enjoyable and purposeful. Good job Crossbox and MXBuddy for helping us bring attention to this and helping us grow the market!
If you inspect the XGPS160, you will notice that it is using cheapest components and it is not designed in a good way. Additonally, the customer support from Dual was bad, they were not willing to cover all the costs that came up to replace the defect devices that we sold for them. We replaced them to satisfy our customers and covered all the costs including shipping from the customer to us, to Dual, from Dual back to our store and back to the customer.
@ricozinn can i use 2 LitPro LP003 On ohne iPad? One for my son and one for my daughter.
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