Least safe helmets?

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3/29/2020 3:34am
MZ193 wrote:
What are your thoughts on Airoh helmets?
My thoughts are I bought a 2.2 and knocked myself out the first week i had it....single and very objective scenario but I don't care, I'll never own another one. It had been years since I KO'd in one of my Bell's.
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duboiz wrote:
Receipts from manufacturer shipments to brands show that a lot of the riding gear centric brands share the same chinese manufacturer of their helmets. I'm surprised...
Receipts from manufacturer shipments to brands show that a lot of the riding gear centric brands share the same chinese manufacturer of their helmets. I'm surprised Airoh isn't as commonly mentioned as other big helmet brands. They have their own rotational impact system similar to 6D and none of the manufacturing is 3rd party. It's also one of the lightest moto helmets you can get. (the weight disqualifies it from some road use helmet certifications, but it is made for moto)

Anyone out there that has the Airoh 2.3, let's hear your review
Love it. Hand made in Italy. Not outsourced. Supposed to be all Italian parts. The new system adds a tiny bit of weight over the Aviator 2.2 but hardly noticeable. Rode for a few hours yesterday with it. I run Aviators, Kali Prana and Suomy Jumps. Have had pretty much every big name helmet out there from Shoei, Arai, Bell, AGV, Fox, Just1, Klim, etc. Never had a TLD.
Pretty happy with my Airoh’s so far.
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MZ193 wrote:
What are your thoughts on Airoh helmets?
My thoughts are I bought a 2.2 and knocked myself out the first week i had it....single and very objective scenario but I don't care, I'll...
My thoughts are I bought a 2.2 and knocked myself out the first week i had it....single and very objective scenario but I don't care, I'll never own another one. It had been years since I KO'd in one of my Bell's.
That’s the tough things with helmets. I have had concussions in Shoei’s, Klim and Fox V3. I can say that I have yet to have a concussion in an ECE helmet that weighs less than 2.5 lbs. coincidence? Who knows. Can’t really replicate conditions of a crash very easily. I’m pretty sold on light ECE helmets. Have had to many neck related issues and a light helmet really helps with those issues. Bell and Shoei always fit me really well and felt high quality. My new Airoh fits my head like a glove so I am sticking with them.
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Motofinne wrote:
Airoh Aviator 2.3 is missing. It weighs 1050g +-50g. I think the interesting part of this graph is that there are a few high-end helmets that...
Airoh Aviator 2.3 is missing. It weighs 1050g +-50g. I think the interesting part of this graph is that there are a few high-end helmets that weighs over 1400g, some even over 1500g. I would never put a helmet that heavy on my head.
I agree it’s not a perfect test, but it’s the most information about safety I can find on a helmet. They also produce a short read on the testing and what it all means. If I buy a (insert brand) I’m trusting their marketing departments spin on safety and trying to make an informed decision. I also figured someone could figure out the other helmets based on weight and popularity.
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What’s the basis for your opinion on that? Marketing info from the various helmet brands? Tests/reviews from mags or websites? Personal experience? Not trying to argue...
What’s the basis for your opinion on that? Marketing info from the various helmet brands? Tests/reviews from mags or websites? Personal experience?

Not trying to argue with you. I’m genuinely curious how people tend to feel so strongly one way or another when it comes to helmets.
1) Based on the foundation of the technology put into the design of the helmets which some of which comes from marketing but also in independent reviews. Some of it is personal experience. I also value the opinion of personal friends who are professionals in the industry, who also have crashed a LOT. While to some the innovation may seem irrelevant but to others its very significant. You have 2 companies that are working to lead the way in helmet technology by doing extensive research and development. Not saying the other companies haven't done R&D, they just aren't leading the charge as much. The money invested by Fly and 6D shows me commitment to the cause. The other companies will follow the leaders, which will improve the designs of ALL helmets over time. Yes, there is no perfect design that solves every situation. But just take a look back at what helmets were 20 years ago to now. Is it fair to say they have advanced for the better? I would say so. I doubt many would argue that point. This proves to me R&D is beneficial.

2) Proven safety features. For just one example, removable cheek pads that make the helmet easier to remove after a crash designed to minimize potential neck damage while removing the helmet. Such a basic concept, but helmet companies didn't come up with this for decades. Even some helmets don't have this feature today. This is just one example and there are many others similar to it. The majority of the manufacturers now have this feature, but some of the cheapest ones don't.

I personally wear a Shoei now, but my next helmet will either be a Fly or 6D, unless one of the other manufacturers steps up with better innovation. Same for my son who rides. And for the record, I have a pretty much stock YZ450 (excluding Rekluse clutch for off road use, and after market bars/levers), but I run a completely stock exhaust. Never could quite understand the value in putting a $1000 exhaust on a new 450 4 stroke these days for the average joe rider, but not spending more than $200 on a quality helmet.
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It's been over 25 years since I raced, my last dirt helmets were Shoei VFX. I still have one somewhere. I remember seeing kids lined up with those Bieffes..at least they were SNELL90 IIRC. Remember the really shitty Bieffe's you'd see in the magazines / Dennis Kirk book? Like $49.99 for a helmet. I worked at a dealership in high school / college, and we took one of those lids out back and smashed it on the concrete - it split at the seams.
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3/29/2020 11:58am Edited Date/Time 3/29/2020 12:04pm
TLD SE4 Crash No. 1: I took a nice big fast header wearing one of the very 1st SE4s (helmet No. 13 from the original media launch/2017)...out in the Dez...just east of Fort Irwin...It was a GOOD ONE! I remember others on the radio saying stuff like,"Oh, damn. That was HARD!" & "Leave him alone for a minute. That had to hurt!" as many were asking me on the radio if I was ok: I was escorting a bunch of people in Razors from Ft. Irwin to Las Vegas (State-line, actually) and we were all wearing/using radios. I -hate- running radios! I was on a Husky 501 and mis-judged a gap across a sand wash...ooops!

Anyways, I remember hearing a good 'thwack' as my head hit what I thought was the ground...it was a rock. I even left a little bit of my paint on it. Also, I was blown away that I didn't feel like my bell was rung!

When I took that helmet back to TLD to see if it could be touched up where the rock scratch was...they laughed at me and proceeded to pull the helmet apart...I'd smashed most all of the lower density foam and that went into the higher density foam, too. This was right above the outside corner of my right eye...the infamous "headband area"...

After they scolded me (I kept wearing the helmet on that ride/it didn't appear to be damaged...just a scratch right where the visor bolts on)...they said it was all used up and had done it's job & that I should switch helmets after a crash like that.

TLD SE4 Crash No. 2: I was doing a shootout, here at Vital in 2018 (2019 450s) wearing the grey poly "Team Edition" that I posted in here earlier, I had one of those fall-over "thud" crashes on a turn where I'd cross-rutted and got ejected into the ground. Not too fast...but...a good thud. Side of my head..thud. For the 1st time while riding...my bell was sort of 'rung'. I had a bit of an immediate head-ache and I remember thinking,"Huh! So, this is what it's like?! I thought I'd be going A LOT FASTER when I did this!" I'd washed-cross-rutted the front wheel and got ejected fwd and down to my inside and simply did a side-head low speed smack. But, for the 1st time ever...and it would seem not too badly...smacked my head enough to get "a reckoning".

So, I switched helmets, took an Advil and chilled for about 20 minutes...and...of-course...I went back out! Why not? I was feeling better? WRONG! (Turns out I did everything WRONG based on what I've learned since. My bad.)

I took the helmet back to TLD and it was fine. No damage inside. Nothing even apparent on the outside, either.

So, when it comes to getting your bell rung, it seems it's VERY much about the type of impact and how it affects the way your head is put together.

I know a friend who took a serious header out in the Dez east of Hesperia. He was wearing an SE4 and got knocked out. Some of our mutual friends were trying to blame the helmet. When I asked the guy who'd actually took the fall? He said it was a BAD ONE and he was just glad he'd been wearing a good helmet.

Justin Bogle smacked his head, right in front of my eyes, at Glendale in the 1st run. Smacked his head wearing an excellent helmet. Do we blame the helmet? I don't.

The Tech in these helmets has come a long, long way.
The Speed these new bikes allow us to go has, also, come/gone a long, long way in the "high-speed" direction.
The simple answer is that we're going faster, bigger and better on these modern machines and the helmets are finally being designed for this new era.

Newton expalined it like this...his second law of motion describes the relationship between an object's mass and the amount of force needed to accelerate it. Newton's second law is often stated as F=ma, which means the force (F) acting on an object is equal to the mass (m) of an object times its acceleration (a).

"F" is getting pretty serious for the average rider. I'm 56 and I jump crazy shit, to me, waaaay more often than I did when I started this all in the late '70s-early '80s.
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3/29/2020 12:32pm Edited Date/Time 3/29/2020 12:34pm
...any helmet sold today, any quality or price point will not prevent concussions or blackouts, remember those injuries occur when your brain slams against the inside of your skull when it comes to a sudden stop.

Most of the helmet makers have gone to MIPS or RHEON or Conehead EPS technology to help reduce neck injuries by allowing the inner helmet liner to rotate about 20 MM during an impact.

Getting a helmet that fits correctly is the most important factor, get a 2 dollar cloth tape measure and check your head size before you buy, a medium in one brand is not always a medium in another brand.

I wear a largeTLD helmet, but only a medium AplineStars helmet, so go figure...

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You can make pretty educated guess what helmets are what in the Fly testing table they published. There was a thread about this about a year ago where JT mentioned all of the tests were done with size Medium helmets and there is a manufacturing deviation in weight of like 50 grams for their helmets which we could probably safely assume most of the other manufacturers have as well.

The Bell Moto 9 Flex is 1,450 grams
The 6D ATR-1 is 1,500 grams
TLD SE4 Carbon is 1,325 grams

You can make your own assumptions and guesses but I think the top 3 helmets are the Fly, 6D ATR-1 and Moto 9 Flex.
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TeamGreen wrote:
TLD SE4 Crash No. 1: I took a nice big fast header wearing one of the very 1st SE4s (helmet No. 13 from the original media...
TLD SE4 Crash No. 1: I took a nice big fast header wearing one of the very 1st SE4s (helmet No. 13 from the original media launch/2017)...out in the Dez...just east of Fort Irwin...It was a GOOD ONE! I remember others on the radio saying stuff like,"Oh, damn. That was HARD!" & "Leave him alone for a minute. That had to hurt!" as many were asking me on the radio if I was ok: I was escorting a bunch of people in Razors from Ft. Irwin to Las Vegas (State-line, actually) and we were all wearing/using radios. I -hate- running radios! I was on a Husky 501 and mis-judged a gap across a sand wash...ooops!

Anyways, I remember hearing a good 'thwack' as my head hit what I thought was the ground...it was a rock. I even left a little bit of my paint on it. Also, I was blown away that I didn't feel like my bell was rung!

When I took that helmet back to TLD to see if it could be touched up where the rock scratch was...they laughed at me and proceeded to pull the helmet apart...I'd smashed most all of the lower density foam and that went into the higher density foam, too. This was right above the outside corner of my right eye...the infamous "headband area"...

After they scolded me (I kept wearing the helmet on that ride/it didn't appear to be damaged...just a scratch right where the visor bolts on)...they said it was all used up and had done it's job & that I should switch helmets after a crash like that.

TLD SE4 Crash No. 2: I was doing a shootout, here at Vital in 2018 (2019 450s) wearing the grey poly "Team Edition" that I posted in here earlier, I had one of those fall-over "thud" crashes on a turn where I'd cross-rutted and got ejected into the ground. Not too fast...but...a good thud. Side of my head..thud. For the 1st time while riding...my bell was sort of 'rung'. I had a bit of an immediate head-ache and I remember thinking,"Huh! So, this is what it's like?! I thought I'd be going A LOT FASTER when I did this!" I'd washed-cross-rutted the front wheel and got ejected fwd and down to my inside and simply did a side-head low speed smack. But, for the 1st time ever...and it would seem not too badly...smacked my head enough to get "a reckoning".

So, I switched helmets, took an Advil and chilled for about 20 minutes...and...of-course...I went back out! Why not? I was feeling better? WRONG! (Turns out I did everything WRONG based on what I've learned since. My bad.)

I took the helmet back to TLD and it was fine. No damage inside. Nothing even apparent on the outside, either.

So, when it comes to getting your bell rung, it seems it's VERY much about the type of impact and how it affects the way your head is put together.

I know a friend who took a serious header out in the Dez east of Hesperia. He was wearing an SE4 and got knocked out. Some of our mutual friends were trying to blame the helmet. When I asked the guy who'd actually took the fall? He said it was a BAD ONE and he was just glad he'd been wearing a good helmet.

Justin Bogle smacked his head, right in front of my eyes, at Glendale in the 1st run. Smacked his head wearing an excellent helmet. Do we blame the helmet? I don't.

The Tech in these helmets has come a long, long way.
The Speed these new bikes allow us to go has, also, come/gone a long, long way in the "high-speed" direction.
The simple answer is that we're going faster, bigger and better on these modern machines and the helmets are finally being designed for this new era.

Newton expalined it like this...his second law of motion describes the relationship between an object's mass and the amount of force needed to accelerate it. Newton's second law is often stated as F=ma, which means the force (F) acting on an object is equal to the mass (m) of an object times its acceleration (a).

"F" is getting pretty serious for the average rider. I'm 56 and I jump crazy shit, to me, waaaay more often than I did when I started this all in the late '70s-early '80s.
I high sided recently in the desert and hit my head in the se4. I had a headache for an hour or two and decent pain in my right eye. Looks like we hit in the same spot on the right side of the brow area. None of the foam in mine was crushed but just cracked. Was yours noticeably cracked at all
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The Sneak wrote:
It's been over 25 years since I raced, my last dirt helmets were Shoei VFX. I still have one somewhere. I remember seeing kids lined up...
It's been over 25 years since I raced, my last dirt helmets were Shoei VFX. I still have one somewhere. I remember seeing kids lined up with those Bieffes..at least they were SNELL90 IIRC. Remember the really shitty Bieffe's you'd see in the magazines / Dennis Kirk book? Like $49.99 for a helmet. I worked at a dealership in high school / college, and we took one of those lids out back and smashed it on the concrete - it split at the seams.
Did you smash any other brands to see how they compared? lol Smile
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TeamGreen wrote:
TLD SE4 Crash No. 1: I took a nice big fast header wearing one of the very 1st SE4s (helmet No. 13 from the original media...
TLD SE4 Crash No. 1: I took a nice big fast header wearing one of the very 1st SE4s (helmet No. 13 from the original media launch/2017)...out in the Dez...just east of Fort Irwin...It was a GOOD ONE! I remember others on the radio saying stuff like,"Oh, damn. That was HARD!" & "Leave him alone for a minute. That had to hurt!" as many were asking me on the radio if I was ok: I was escorting a bunch of people in Razors from Ft. Irwin to Las Vegas (State-line, actually) and we were all wearing/using radios. I -hate- running radios! I was on a Husky 501 and mis-judged a gap across a sand wash...ooops!

Anyways, I remember hearing a good 'thwack' as my head hit what I thought was the ground...it was a rock. I even left a little bit of my paint on it. Also, I was blown away that I didn't feel like my bell was rung!

When I took that helmet back to TLD to see if it could be touched up where the rock scratch was...they laughed at me and proceeded to pull the helmet apart...I'd smashed most all of the lower density foam and that went into the higher density foam, too. This was right above the outside corner of my right eye...the infamous "headband area"...

After they scolded me (I kept wearing the helmet on that ride/it didn't appear to be damaged...just a scratch right where the visor bolts on)...they said it was all used up and had done it's job & that I should switch helmets after a crash like that.

TLD SE4 Crash No. 2: I was doing a shootout, here at Vital in 2018 (2019 450s) wearing the grey poly "Team Edition" that I posted in here earlier, I had one of those fall-over "thud" crashes on a turn where I'd cross-rutted and got ejected into the ground. Not too fast...but...a good thud. Side of my head..thud. For the 1st time while riding...my bell was sort of 'rung'. I had a bit of an immediate head-ache and I remember thinking,"Huh! So, this is what it's like?! I thought I'd be going A LOT FASTER when I did this!" I'd washed-cross-rutted the front wheel and got ejected fwd and down to my inside and simply did a side-head low speed smack. But, for the 1st time ever...and it would seem not too badly...smacked my head enough to get "a reckoning".

So, I switched helmets, took an Advil and chilled for about 20 minutes...and...of-course...I went back out! Why not? I was feeling better? WRONG! (Turns out I did everything WRONG based on what I've learned since. My bad.)

I took the helmet back to TLD and it was fine. No damage inside. Nothing even apparent on the outside, either.

So, when it comes to getting your bell rung, it seems it's VERY much about the type of impact and how it affects the way your head is put together.

I know a friend who took a serious header out in the Dez east of Hesperia. He was wearing an SE4 and got knocked out. Some of our mutual friends were trying to blame the helmet. When I asked the guy who'd actually took the fall? He said it was a BAD ONE and he was just glad he'd been wearing a good helmet.

Justin Bogle smacked his head, right in front of my eyes, at Glendale in the 1st run. Smacked his head wearing an excellent helmet. Do we blame the helmet? I don't.

The Tech in these helmets has come a long, long way.
The Speed these new bikes allow us to go has, also, come/gone a long, long way in the "high-speed" direction.
The simple answer is that we're going faster, bigger and better on these modern machines and the helmets are finally being designed for this new era.

Newton expalined it like this...his second law of motion describes the relationship between an object's mass and the amount of force needed to accelerate it. Newton's second law is often stated as F=ma, which means the force (F) acting on an object is equal to the mass (m) of an object times its acceleration (a).

"F" is getting pretty serious for the average rider. I'm 56 and I jump crazy shit, to me, waaaay more often than I did when I started this all in the late '70s-early '80s.
duboiz wrote:
I high sided recently in the desert and hit my head in the se4. I had a headache for an hour or two and decent pain...
I high sided recently in the desert and hit my head in the se4. I had a headache for an hour or two and decent pain in my right eye. Looks like we hit in the same spot on the right side of the brow area. None of the foam in mine was crushed but just cracked. Was yours noticeably cracked at all
Absolutley -no- helmet damage.

Funny you mentioned "eyes". My eyes hurt...behind them...a bit. A headache in my optic nerves...in a way.

As everyone discusses this issue...I notice a collection of opinions on what helmets are good or bad. All the while, there's more than a few brands that have published how they did in testing at ACT Lab, etc.

More notably, is the hailarious insanity like the statement..."I'm pretty sure TLD helmets are cheap Bell helmets that Bell decided not to use...". Wow. That's beyond insanity. I'm aware of the brand of Carbon and some other materials that Troy uses in his helmets. He goes his own way. As a person that's spent the vast majority of his life in R&D & utilization of composite materials, I know there's A LOT of really good helmets available to the moto-public; and, it's not necessarily the same brands that were the best 5-10 years ago.

I, personaly, wear TLD. I've worn Fly ('10-'13...when they were getting REAL serious about helmets and gear: EXCELLENT stuff!)...I wore the new A-Star stuff for Micheal's (ML512) 250 Shootout last fall...EXCELLENT! a freind of mine swears by his 6D...EXCELLENT choice!

There are plenty of well informed choices. All a person has to do is a little homework and they should be able to make a wise decision.
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You can make pretty educated guess what helmets are what in the Fly testing table they published. There was a thread about this about a year...
You can make pretty educated guess what helmets are what in the Fly testing table they published. There was a thread about this about a year ago where JT mentioned all of the tests were done with size Medium helmets and there is a manufacturing deviation in weight of like 50 grams for their helmets which we could probably safely assume most of the other manufacturers have as well.

The Bell Moto 9 Flex is 1,450 grams
The 6D ATR-1 is 1,500 grams
TLD SE4 Carbon is 1,325 grams

You can make your own assumptions and guesses but I think the top 3 helmets are the Fly, 6D ATR-1 and Moto 9 Flex.
Which one would be the Leatt, or was that left out?
3/29/2020 3:14pm
Knocked myself out in a fly f2 mips on a slow 2nd corner collision. I remember i couldnt get my arm out but thought on the way down its only a small crash happening so all-good... next thing im on my bike with the safety fella on his quad and im like where am i, which ways the track go. Slow speed blunt hits are tough.
Had loads of highsides and head hits multiple times and everytime got up thinking, wow what a ride! and have been fine. Its the slow blunt hits that whack the brain.
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3/29/2020 4:53pm Edited Date/Time 3/29/2020 5:01pm
ddog14 wrote:
ECE 22.06 is coming with hi/low speed and rotational, maybe we finally get some answers.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/motorbike-helmet-ece-standard/
Thanks for sharing. Major changes to the standard. New "low energy" limit is 180 G. Certified helmets were expected to be available starting late 2020, effective law June 2023 (making 22.05 obsolete by then).
Full proposed ECE 22.06 draft here:
https://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/doc/2019/wp29grsp/ECE-TRANS-WP.29-GRSP-2019-25e.pdf
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I think I raced in a No Fear helmet for a while... I don't remember
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I’ve broken two helmets while wearing them. Cracked my skull all over on one crash. Older now, memory sucks. I am very happy to see helmet engineers focusing on the brain and equally happy to see standards updated to reflect what has been learned. Don’t have a dirt bike now, but if I did I’d only wear a 6D or Fly. The rest are just slight mods to the helmet I wore in 1980, variations of styrofoam. Better yes, 40 years better, no. I hope I don’t have to test my 6D ATS-1R while on my R6.
3/30/2020 5:23am
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If money were no object for me, I would go with either a 6D or Fly Formula too. I think they make the best. The next...
If money were no object for me, I would go with either a 6D or Fly Formula too. I think they make the best. The next level down would be Shoei, Bell, and Arai. Everybody else is the next level below that. This all assumes the rider has a helmet that properly fits him or her. An improperly fitted Formula or 6D will not protect as well as a 3rd tier level helmet that is properly fitted. JMHO
What’s the basis for your opinion on that? Marketing info from the various helmet brands? Tests/reviews from mags or websites? Personal experience? Not trying to argue...
What’s the basis for your opinion on that? Marketing info from the various helmet brands? Tests/reviews from mags or websites? Personal experience?

Not trying to argue with you. I’m genuinely curious how people tend to feel so strongly one way or another when it comes to helmets.
I’m a big 6D guy.

Had cheaper Bells and ended up taking a low speed hit to the side of my head in a large berm. Only time medics have taken me off the track.

After that I did quite a bit of research. At the time 6D was the clear leader. Currently many have got closer as they all employ the same basic design to mitigate rotational forces being applied to your head/brain. You can watch many videos that compare the mips/ods system vs standard eps foam.

Properly fitting helmet is #1. After that take your pick with what you think is best. I trust Bob and 6D for regular duty protecting my head.


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T-Fish wrote:
Maybe I’m dumb, but my choice is Leatt for a helmet. Like others, I wish the data these companies have come up with was more transparent...
Maybe I’m dumb, but my choice is Leatt for a helmet. Like others, I wish the data these companies have come up with was more transparent so we, the buyers, could actually make educated decisions on which helmet to buy instead of just taking the word of a rep, who will be very biased.
https://www.leatt.com/shop/catalog/product/view/id/6918/s/helmet-gpx-5-…

Don't know about other companies but at Leatt we post all of our test results on our website. We show all of our certificates and findings from the tests as well.

With our 360 turbines our helmets help to reduce up to 30% of head impact. With the circular design of our turbines they reduce rotational acceleration up to 40% to head and brain.
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731chopper wrote:
You can make pretty educated guess what helmets are what in the Fly testing table they published. There was a thread about this about a year...
You can make pretty educated guess what helmets are what in the Fly testing table they published. There was a thread about this about a year ago where JT mentioned all of the tests were done with size Medium helmets and there is a manufacturing deviation in weight of like 50 grams for their helmets which we could probably safely assume most of the other manufacturers have as well.

The Bell Moto 9 Flex is 1,450 grams
The 6D ATR-1 is 1,500 grams
TLD SE4 Carbon is 1,325 grams

You can make your own assumptions and guesses but I think the top 3 helmets are the Fly, 6D ATR-1 and Moto 9 Flex.
T-Fish wrote:
Which one would be the Leatt, or was that left out?
Leatt comes in at 1330g for the Carbon 6.5 helmet and 1345g for the Composite 5.5 helmet
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crc245 wrote:
For moto: Anything with a Snell certification. No reason to design MX helmets for multiple hits to the same location (see anvil testing and impact velocity...
For moto: Anything with a Snell certification.

No reason to design MX helmets for multiple hits to the same location (see anvil testing and impact velocity table protocols pgs. 29-32 in the Snell 2020 update linked below); As most should know, our lids are one big impact and done. Snell has lessened the second impact measurements every iteration from 2010/2015/and now 2020 versions, but it's still out of line for moto use, in my opinion...


https://www.smf.org/standards/m/2020/M2020_Final.pdf



For safest, I'd stick with 6D, Fly Formula, or Bell Moto9 Flex (which is the only one of these three that has Snell 2015 certification, surprisingly).
Arguments can be made that Snell helmets are the least safe for concussion protection.
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T-Fish wrote:
Maybe I’m dumb, but my choice is Leatt for a helmet. Like others, I wish the data these companies have come up with was more transparent...
Maybe I’m dumb, but my choice is Leatt for a helmet. Like others, I wish the data these companies have come up with was more transparent so we, the buyers, could actually make educated decisions on which helmet to buy instead of just taking the word of a rep, who will be very biased.
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https://www.leatt.com/shop/catalog/product/view/id/6918/s/helmet-gpx-5-5-v20-1-aqua-ece-1/category/724/ Don't know about other companies but at Leatt we post all of our test results on our website. We show all of our certificates and...
https://www.leatt.com/shop/catalog/product/view/id/6918/s/helmet-gpx-5-…

Don't know about other companies but at Leatt we post all of our test results on our website. We show all of our certificates and findings from the tests as well.

With our 360 turbines our helmets help to reduce up to 30% of head impact. With the circular design of our turbines they reduce rotational acceleration up to 40% to head and brain.
Since you're here, does Leatt offer different sized pads to accommodate different shaped heads? I bought a medium GPX 5.5 but found it to be uncomfortable due to my long/narrow head shape, while a large was wobbly. My friend with a round head shape bought it from me, and loves it, but I wondered if a large could be made to fit properly.
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Arguments can be made that Snell helmets are the least safe for concussion protection.
Negative proof fallacy - assuming a claim is true because it has not been proven false.

A helmet that limits brain acceleration to 275 G from an impact at 17 mph does not mean it would also fail to limit brain acceleration to some lesser threshold from some lower speed impact.

Let's see which helmets meet the future ECE 22.06 standard, which will require the same Snell 275 G from 17 mph plus a separate low-energy impact test.
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T-Fish wrote:
Maybe I’m dumb, but my choice is Leatt for a helmet. Like others, I wish the data these companies have come up with was more transparent...
Maybe I’m dumb, but my choice is Leatt for a helmet. Like others, I wish the data these companies have come up with was more transparent so we, the buyers, could actually make educated decisions on which helmet to buy instead of just taking the word of a rep, who will be very biased.
Leatt wrote:
https://www.leatt.com/shop/catalog/product/view/id/6918/s/helmet-gpx-5-5-v20-1-aqua-ece-1/category/724/ Don't know about other companies but at Leatt we post all of our test results on our website. We show all of our certificates and...
https://www.leatt.com/shop/catalog/product/view/id/6918/s/helmet-gpx-5-…

Don't know about other companies but at Leatt we post all of our test results on our website. We show all of our certificates and findings from the tests as well.

With our 360 turbines our helmets help to reduce up to 30% of head impact. With the circular design of our turbines they reduce rotational acceleration up to 40% to head and brain.
Since you're here, does Leatt offer different sized pads to accommodate different shaped heads? I bought a medium GPX 5.5 but found it to be uncomfortable...
Since you're here, does Leatt offer different sized pads to accommodate different shaped heads? I bought a medium GPX 5.5 but found it to be uncomfortable due to my long/narrow head shape, while a large was wobbly. My friend with a round head shape bought it from me, and loves it, but I wondered if a large could be made to fit properly.
We have a couple different size cheek pads to offer for each helmet and shell size but unfortunately if the crown area is wobbling we don't have any additional padding for that area.
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Leatt wrote:
https://www.leatt.com/shop/catalog/product/view/id/6918/s/helmet-gpx-5-5-v20-1-aqua-ece-1/category/724/ Don't know about other companies but at Leatt we post all of our test results on our website. We show all of our certificates and...
https://www.leatt.com/shop/catalog/product/view/id/6918/s/helmet-gpx-5-…

Don't know about other companies but at Leatt we post all of our test results on our website. We show all of our certificates and findings from the tests as well.

With our 360 turbines our helmets help to reduce up to 30% of head impact. With the circular design of our turbines they reduce rotational acceleration up to 40% to head and brain.
Yes, Leatt is the only manufacturer that publishes full independent test reports. Hopefully others follow and bring more transparency.
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From the data results posted by fly you can roughly work out which helmet is which going off of the weights and based off there testing of the formula helmet one of the worst performing helmets is actually the 6d? The best performing helmet apart from the weight category looks to be the shoei if you look up the weight. So I’m only going off the info we’ve been given however I do remember hearing Tomac left 6d and signed with bell after his thunder valley crash and not for money reasons and whether related or not a local pro had a catastrophic career ending head injury from a big impact wearing a 6d
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I have been wearing Arai for quite a few years now. And I can tell you, It is by far the most comfortable helmet I've worn. I've taken some big hits in one also. Arai does one thing, and that is make helmets. They have been making some of the top helmets in road racing for years.

They do not buy into all the same "new" technology, but who really knows if any of that is really good or marketing. Arai makes a damn good helmet, and I have no plans to switch.
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28hall wrote:
From the data results posted by fly you can roughly work out which helmet is which going off of the weights and based off there testing...
From the data results posted by fly you can roughly work out which helmet is which going off of the weights and based off there testing of the formula helmet one of the worst performing helmets is actually the 6d? The best performing helmet apart from the weight category looks to be the shoei if you look up the weight. So I’m only going off the info we’ve been given however I do remember hearing Tomac left 6d and signed with bell after his thunder valley crash and not for money reasons and whether related or not a local pro had a catastrophic career ending head injury from a big impact wearing a 6d
Which helmet do you thinkis the 6D? I believe 6D just won a big safety competition with the NFL, take that for what you will.

I've just gone from Bell to 6D recently. The bell is much comfier to wear than the bell moto 9, camt talk much for safety of it yet.
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Well from a quick google the only mainstream helmets above 1500grams were the 6d atr 1, older version fox v3 and the arai however I haven’t been able to match the the other weights other then shoei and the 6d carbon atr2 are both the same weight as the second highest placing helmet in the test results so it actually has confused things more. I would say possibly the arai is the big name let down? The test results are obviously marketing ploy for fly so without being there who knows

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