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MXlarge: As far as the team, it’s a new team, run by Garibaldi, with Livia Lancelot as the team manager. They interviewed Livia on the weekend and she said she was stressed on the weekend because there is so much to do. How is the team until now?
Lawrence: For sure, its Livia’s first year, but she is doing really good, better than Stefan I think. She is taking in criticism and stuff like that.
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Strijbos was quite critical on Everts. I found Seewer remarkably non interested in doing something with Everts in his recent interview. We had the Herlings drama in the past and now Lawrence.
Seems like Everts isnt good in rider management.
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Not surprising at all. Like roninho mentions, it seems like team management isn't Everts thing.
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Doesn't surprise me, cant imagine from what I've heard that Everts is much of a people person/manager. His way or the highway style.
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Andy_Greenney wrote:
Doesn't surprise me, cant imagine from what I've heard that Everts is much of a people person/manager. His way or the highway style.
Seeing as how his way won ten world titles, one might think that people would be willing to try it though..
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Andy_Greenney wrote:
Doesn't surprise me, cant imagine from what I've heard that Everts is much of a people person/manager. His way or the highway style.
wreckitrandy wrote:
Seeing as how his way won ten world titles, one might think that people would be willing to try it though..
Just because someone was a great rider doesn't automatically mean they'll be a great team manager.
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Ya know, I was watching the stream of the Italian race Sunday, and there they were interviewing Livia, and I wasn't even sure why. Now I get it.
I hope Livia rocks the men's motocross world. Maybe one day Suzuki will come back, and she'll run it right.
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Andy_Greenney wrote:
Doesn't surprise me, cant imagine from what I've heard that Everts is much of a people person/manager. His way or the highway style.
wreckitrandy wrote:
Seeing as how his way won ten world titles, one might think that people would be willing to try it though..
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Just because someone was a great rider doesn't automatically mean they'll be a great team manager.
Quite the contrary, it would seem. It appears that the greater a manager's success as a rider the more they demand of their riders. A dang shame really.
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wreckitrandy wrote:
Seeing as how his way won ten world titles, one might think that people would be willing to try it though..
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Just because someone was a great rider doesn't automatically mean they'll be a great team manager.
wreckitrandy wrote:
Quite the contrary, it would seem. It appears that the greater a manager's success as a rider the more they demand of their riders. A dang shame really.
According to what I was told from someone with the team...Stefan really "managed" to drive a wedge between himself and the riders..plus Suzuki itself...
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Huge fan of Everts.
Not sure I'd want him as my team manager though. Same as RC the great riders often have big egos that doesn't always work when you're managing different types of personalities.
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Brownstone322 wrote:
Ya know, I was watching the stream of the Italian race Sunday, and there they were interviewing Livia, and I wasn't even sure why. Now I get it.
I hope Livia rocks the men's motocross world. Maybe one day Suzuki will come back, and she'll run it right.
I agree! Livia seems like a nice person, i hope it works out!
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Harry was VERY hard on Stefan as a kid (source DBR interviews from back in the day). Stefan said that he could never make him happy, how even if he won the race his dad would be shouting at him the pits, pointing out all his mistakes etc.
Can't argue with the results on the bike, but I don't think it was conducive to the easiest character off it. As with all management styles, it probably works for some but not for others.
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Motocross83 wrote:
Harry was VERY hard on Stefan as a kid (source DBR interviews from back in the day). Stefan said that he could never make him happy, how even if he won the race his dad would be shouting at him the pits, pointing out all his mistakes etc.
Can't argue with the results on the bike, but I don't think it was conducive to the easiest character off it. As with all management styles, it probably works for some but not for others.
He didn’t get on with his dad for a long time, remember reading in his book that his father watched him win his first title but didn’t make his presence known at the track.
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roninho wrote:
Strijbos was quite critical on Everts. I found Seewer remarkably non interested in doing something with Everts in his recent interview. We had the Herlings drama in the past and now Lawrence.
Seems like Everts isnt good in rider management.
i'd say he "managed" things quite well at Matterley in '06
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As a rider, your focus and drive is 100% on yourself. Your diet, your training, your setup, your sleep and your schedule. You spend your whole life focusing on yourself. Stefan was the best at that and he spent his whole life focusing on that. What a stud!
However, when it switches to managing a team, the focus must be on everyone else and making sure they succeed. Very difficult and rarely successfully accomplished. Only a few can make that transition.
As a business owner I have seen very succesful salespeople try to transition into management and it doesn't always work well either. Same concept.
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roninho wrote:
Strijbos was quite critical on Everts. I found Seewer remarkably non interested in doing something with Everts in his recent interview. We had the Herlings drama in the past and now Lawrence.
Seems like Everts isnt good in rider management.peelout wrote:
i'd say he "managed" things quite well at Matterley in '06
Look at the people in the background, they're like "how the fuck does he do that"
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He got bombed out of jobs, and eventually had to buy a team to stay in the paddock... and then, they wind it up because he cant find a sponsor.
Great rider, one of the best, lousy team manager and rider coach.
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Motocross83 wrote:
Harry was VERY hard on Stefan as a kid (source DBR interviews from back in the day). Stefan said that he could never make him happy, how even if he won the race his dad would be shouting at him the pits, pointing out all his mistakes etc.
Can't argue with the results on the bike, but I don't think it was conducive to the easiest character off it. As with all management styles, it probably works for some but not for others.
This.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Just because someone was a great rider doesn't automatically mean they'll be a great team manager.
wreckitrandy wrote:
Quite the contrary, it would seem. It appears that the greater a manager's success as a rider the more they demand of their riders. A dang shame really.
ML512 wrote:
According to what I was told from someone with the team...Stefan really "managed" to drive a wedge between himself and the riders..plus Suzuki itself...
You've a good source, like usual. SE totally misjudged some of the sensitive points at Suzuki what pushed a wedge between himself and the brand. Think about things like going over their head to adjust bikes and pushing his way at some things. With the riders it is mostly the same story: My way of the highway. A little story about Kevin Strijbos
2016: First season that Stefan is Team owner at Suzuki and he's working with Kevin Strijbos. KS22 hasn't a great season, but at the first heat in Round 7 or something like that in Italy he finished third. Stefan comes to him and starts: You can do much better if you've done this and that and ... No congratulations or anything. KS22 reacted like never before, put some xbombs in a sentence, took his pitbike and rode to his private camper to cool down.
Story about Lawrence and the Everts family. Because of Hunter Lawrence had some criticism on the training ways from Harry and Stefan. And he told them he felt drained and tiered working that way, they called him lazy and a unthankful sissy. So he had two options; man up and keep training with them or leave and find a other one. The kid left and start training in Germany with Ken Roczens dad and other German trainers.
And that are two stories that spring to mind, but there are probably even more. That Suzuki left is partly Stefan's fault. But Suzuki is thinking about leaving dirtbikes, we will know more in April when they have their yearly business meeting, so it's probably just a few things coming together.
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True 10 world titles so i’d Say 1-0
As team manager I’d say 0-1
As a rider mentor with team I’d Say 0-1
As running a team i’d Say 0-1 (Team folded)
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Andy_Greenney wrote:
Doesn't surprise me, cant imagine from what I've heard that Everts is much of a people person/manager. His way or the highway style.
wreckitrandy wrote:
Seeing as how his way won ten world titles, one might think that people would be willing to try it though..
that literally makes no sense
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Motocross83 wrote:
Harry was VERY hard on Stefan as a kid (source DBR interviews from back in the day). Stefan said that he could never make him happy, how even if he won the race his dad would be shouting at him the pits, pointing out all his mistakes etc.
Can't argue with the results on the bike, but I don't think it was conducive to the easiest character off it. As with all management styles, it probably works for some but not for others.
And Ward was very hard on the Beaver.
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Motocross83 wrote:
Harry was VERY hard on Stefan as a kid (source DBR interviews from back in the day). Stefan said that he could never make him happy, how even if he won the race his dad would be shouting at him the pits, pointing out all his mistakes etc.
Can't argue with the results on the bike, but I don't think it was conducive to the easiest character off it. As with all management styles, it probably works for some but not for others.
I grew up with a professional sportsman as a father, in swimming. And can i tell you its not a lot of fun, i was swimming senior squads (16 and over) by the time i was 12, by age 14 i hated the sport and wanted out and did not want to spend time with my father, i can still hear his whistle and his yelling at me to get my stroke correct and yes it had an impact on how i am...not that i blame him it was the norm way back then and good gawd, to this day my swimming technic is second to none.
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Motocross83 wrote:
Harry was VERY hard on Stefan as a kid (source DBR interviews from back in the day). Stefan said that he could never make him happy, how even if he won the race his dad would be shouting at him the pits, pointing out all his mistakes etc.
Can't argue with the results on the bike, but I don't think it was conducive to the easiest character off it. As with all management styles, it probably works for some but not for others.kzizok wrote:
And Ward was very hard on the Beaver.
So was Eddie Haskell, Wally, and ms. Cleaver
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roninho wrote:
Strijbos was quite critical on Everts. I found Seewer remarkably non interested in doing something with Everts in his recent interview. We had the Herlings drama in the past and now Lawrence.
Seems like Everts isnt good in rider management.peelout wrote:
i'd say he "managed" things quite well at Matterley in '06
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