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Hey guys I just jumped back into racing and was thinking about heading up to NORCAL to Honey Lake MX for the LL's area qualifier. I would ride the VET 30 + B/C but have been reading the sandbagging stories all over the net. Is it really that bad? I race the 30+ novice now but I think I can give the faster intermediates a run I just don't have the stamina yet to run that pace for extended periods of time, thats why I race the novice, well that and still getting used to the fofiddy. Should I just hold off til next yr when I'm a strong intermediate or just waste the money and go for the fun factor?
The Shop
1) you are leading the entire moto with a 20-30 second or greater lead.. (half lap ahead of the pack)
2) you stay in a class and get 1st or 2nd in more then 6-8 races.
Unless you are clearly the above, it's just means that your the top of the class if you winning your first few races.. just go have fun..
Eh, my biggest problem with stalling is my style, my last bike was a 02 KX 250 so I ride the 450 like a 2T, My sponsor which is my employer/ engine builder was at the races this weekend and told me "Dood you can lay off the rev limiter a bit and still go fast"
This is the worst thread I ever read.
DC an open letter to get a Vet D class started at Lorettas....think of all the money you will make from all the out of shape vets with engine builders who didn't get to practice enough even though they have been racing since 1982.
Maybe thwy should just cancel the race and sell the bibs to the biggest bullshitters?
Competitive....what a joke.
To me, this would make a lot more sense. It would eliminate sandbagging, which would allow people to race with riders of their caliber (after the heat race of course). Obviously I don't know all the little things Davey has to do at the track, and it's easy for me to sit behind a keyboard and make suggestions. I think it's definitely something that should be considered though, if they haven't already.
Pit Row
true story
However, I agree that in the age of internet, iphones, and twitter where we know what the Kardashian sisters ate for breakfast this morning, that there hasn't been any obvious advancement in addressing this issue.
In the old days, I could see how someone could skirt the system by the sheer fact that a centralized advancement database would have been impractical even if it did exist. Even if a promoter did bother to send the weekly results to a central advancement database, there would be little to no way of cross checking those who sandbagged and stayed down in class.
But if an AMA card's magnetic strip registered each time a rider entered a race, and this information was captured in a database, certainly it would flag chronic sandbag offenders. If I'm not mistaken, I think something like this does exist already, but I'm not sure that it has very strict enforecement that I'm aware of.
An AMA card (or other race card) be rendered "invalid" at sign-up if a rider doesn't heed warnings about racing down in class.
Of course such a system would prevent the kids we see today on a couple of the factory-backed "farm teams" that demolish the "C" and particulary the "B" classes. There are also more oganizations outside the AMA, so I just don't ever see sandbaggers ever being put where they belong.
I'd tell the original poster to just race in the class that he belongs in, but I'd also say race to just the class that you are most comfortable racing in to get back into the sport. Once the cobwebs are out and the body is ready for a better challenge, then do the right thing and advance yourself.
I'm sure that if he is "sandbagging" that he certainly won't be the only one!!
The whole idea of dropping classes based on area is absurd.
One thing riders should know. If a rider is bagging and you know it, simply send that information to AmA or mx sports they will check to see if that rider is riding out of class. IF the information is true, poof gone. Any rider who has a AMA card and has raced has a RPV value you can look up on the AMA site, along with thier classification.
Also know that if a rider is from a non ama area and rides a higher class, that will also dq them from participating in a lower class at LL>
Now we all know this has gone on for a long LONG ass time, but much less today with the system in place.
Anyone with an issue should do this at regionals or before as it's harder to do at LL.
back in the day riders came across district and or out of non ama areas and dropped to a lower class all the time.
today not so much.
The 2 classes I'm gonna ride are.
VET 30+ b/c
VET 35 plus? anybody have any info on this class?
Being away means you weren't practicing.
Vet class racing means you already are getting a break for your age and if at 30 you are not winning, maybe mx is not your sport?
Ask Emig what he thinks about dropping down a class, " you don't forget how to ride"
I race once a year in 30 plus C. I don't have the seat time throughout the year to make the jump to B (kids wife etc...need to be racing week in and out IMO to smooth out all the little issues).When I race once a year I normally place top 5 at Washougal National in 25 and 30 plus C hope it helps.
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