LL Pee Wee Protest

Gilby122 wrote:

Man...if someone wanted to screw me and my kid, protest me. I'm not sure I could reassemble it all and get it running right in time...

Man...if someone wanted to screw me and my kid, protest me. I'm not sure I could reassemble it all and get it running right in time for the next moto!

mxbum wrote:

And that is the purpose of the protested PW holding cell that DC posted. Unless things have changed since Kyle McKenzie podiumed in 1994 on a...

And that is the purpose of the protested PW holding cell that DC posted. Unless things have changed since Kyle McKenzie podiumed in 1994 on a PW in a field of LEM's and Cobra's. The referee asked Kyle's grandfather what he was going to do between moto2 and 3 to the bike. He replied nothing and it was agreed that mxsports would impound the bike until the third moto, kyle would race the 3rd moto under protest and the tear down would be after the 3rd moto. By the way, Kyle was legal and his family left the ranch with close to $500 (in 1994 protest fee $).

Braaaphole wrote:

I talked to someone who saw this happen first hand, he came flying back to the pits telling us about the mess. I didn't realize that...

I talked to someone who saw this happen first hand, he came flying back to the pits telling us about the mess.
I didn't realize that this guy was also the same person who started the protest mess.
The guy was livid from what we were told. They tore his bike down and found the carb had some mods done to it, not sure what. He had no idea the carb was modded and was calling the engine builder and leaving him death threats.
That Pdub life is serious.

Gilby122 wrote:

Man...if someone wanted to screw me and my kid, protest me. I'm not sure I could reassemble it all and get it running right in time...

Man...if someone wanted to screw me and my kid, protest me. I'm not sure I could reassemble it all and get it running right in time for the next moto!

mxbum wrote:

And that is the purpose of the protested PW holding cell that DC posted. Unless things have changed since Kyle McKenzie podiumed in 1994 on a...

And that is the purpose of the protested PW holding cell that DC posted. Unless things have changed since Kyle McKenzie podiumed in 1994 on a PW in a field of LEM's and Cobra's. The referee asked Kyle's grandfather what he was going to do between moto2 and 3 to the bike. He replied nothing and it was agreed that mxsports would impound the bike until the third moto, kyle would race the 3rd moto under protest and the tear down would be after the 3rd moto. By the way, Kyle was legal and his family left the ranch with close to $500 (in 1994 protest fee $).

Dirty Points wrote:

If I am racing a Cobra, I can't think of a single thing that could be done to a PW that would make it worth protesting

mxbum wrote:

And that is the purpose of the protested PW holding cell that DC posted. Unless things have changed since Kyle McKenzie podiumed in 1994 on a...

And that is the purpose of the protested PW holding cell that DC posted. Unless things have changed since Kyle McKenzie podiumed in 1994 on a PW in a field of LEM's and Cobra's. The referee asked Kyle's grandfather what he was going to do between moto2 and 3 to the bike. He replied nothing and it was agreed that mxsports would impound the bike until the third moto, kyle would race the 3rd moto under protest and the tear down would be after the 3rd moto. By the way, Kyle was legal and his family left the ranch with close to $500 (in 1994 protest fee $).

Dirty Points wrote:

If I am racing a Cobra, I can't think of a single thing that could be done to a PW that would make it worth protesting

DC wrote:

In that smallest class, the one with all of the protests, it's only Yamaha PW50s, no Cobras or LEMs or anything else, and they are supposed...

In that smallest class, the one with all of the protests, it's only Yamaha PW50s, no Cobras or LEMs or anything else, and they are supposed to be stock. Turns out three were not!

DC
Racer X

Dirty Points wrote:

If I am racing a Cobra, I can't think of a single thing that could be done to a PW that would make it worth protesting

DC wrote:

In that smallest class, the one with all of the protests, it's only Yamaha PW50s, no Cobras or LEMs or anything else, and they are supposed...

In that smallest class, the one with all of the protests, it's only Yamaha PW50s, no Cobras or LEMs or anything else, and they are supposed to be stock. Turns out three were not!

DC
Racer X

Dirty Points wrote:

Was responding to the post about 1994

DC wrote:

In that smallest class, the one with all of the protests, it's only Yamaha PW50s, no Cobras or LEMs or anything else, and they are supposed...

In that smallest class, the one with all of the protests, it's only Yamaha PW50s, no Cobras or LEMs or anything else, and they are supposed to be stock. Turns out three were not!

DC
Racer X

Dirty Points wrote:

Was responding to the post about 1994

DC wrote:

Sorry! 1994 was the year the Cobras first showed up, although there were only 3 or 4 of them there, but Brett Maimone, the Cobra founder's...

Sorry! 1994 was the year the Cobras first showed up, although there were only 3 or 4 of them there, but Brett Maimone, the Cobra founder's son, ended up winning.

DC
Racer X

Dirty Points wrote:

Was responding to the post about 1994

DC wrote:

Sorry! 1994 was the year the Cobras first showed up, although there were only 3 or 4 of them there, but Brett Maimone, the Cobra founder's...

Sorry! 1994 was the year the Cobras first showed up, although there were only 3 or 4 of them there, but Brett Maimone, the Cobra founder's son, ended up winning.

DC
Racer X

ktm300hater wrote:

This will never happen just because if the cost, but imagine 42 brand new pdubs that belong to mx sports. You qualify on your own bike...

This will never happen just because if the cost, but imagine 42 brand new pdubs that belong to mx sports. You qualify on your own bike then show up to lorettas and have your bike furnished. Impound them after each moto and that Would end the cheating and a few 4-6 year old wouldn't be heartbroken because their dad is a snake

ktm300hater wrote:

This will never happen just because if the cost, but imagine 42 brand new pdubs that belong to mx sports. You qualify on your own bike...

This will never happen just because if the cost, but imagine 42 brand new pdubs that belong to mx sports. You qualify on your own bike then show up to lorettas and have your bike furnished. Impound them after each moto and that Would end the cheating and a few 4-6 year old wouldn't be heartbroken because their dad is a snake

DC wrote:

In that smallest class, the one with all of the protests, it's only Yamaha PW50s, no Cobras or LEMs or anything else, and they are supposed...

In that smallest class, the one with all of the protests, it's only Yamaha PW50s, no Cobras or LEMs or anything else, and they are supposed to be stock. Turns out three were not!

DC
Racer X

DC wrote:

Sorry! 1994 was the year the Cobras first showed up, although there were only 3 or 4 of them there, but Brett Maimone, the Cobra founder's...

Sorry! 1994 was the year the Cobras first showed up, although there were only 3 or 4 of them there, but Brett Maimone, the Cobra founder's son, ended up winning.

DC
Racer X

ktm300hater wrote:

This will never happen just because if the cost, but imagine 42 brand new pdubs that belong to mx sports. You qualify on your own bike...

This will never happen just because if the cost, but imagine 42 brand new pdubs that belong to mx sports. You qualify on your own bike then show up to lorettas and have your bike furnished. Impound them after each moto and that Would end the cheating and a few 4-6 year old wouldn't be heartbroken because their dad is a snake

DC wrote:

We actually had this conversation in the office with the AMA officials as the protests were happening. It would be really cool if Yamaha could maybe...

We actually had this conversation in the office with the AMA officials as the protests were happening. It would be really cool if Yamaha could maybe have a trailer of PW50s there but I'm sure the cost and maintenance would be hefty...

DC
Racer X

ktm300hater wrote:

This will never happen just because if the cost, but imagine 42 brand new pdubs that belong to mx sports. You qualify on your own bike...

This will never happen just because if the cost, but imagine 42 brand new pdubs that belong to mx sports. You qualify on your own bike then show up to lorettas and have your bike furnished. Impound them after each moto and that Would end the cheating and a few 4-6 year old wouldn't be heartbroken because their dad is a snake

DC wrote:

We actually had this conversation in the office with the AMA officials as the protests were happening. It would be really cool if Yamaha could maybe...

We actually had this conversation in the office with the AMA officials as the protests were happening. It would be really cool if Yamaha could maybe have a trailer of PW50s there but I'm sure the cost and maintenance would be hefty...

DC
Racer X

Red Crawford wrote:

Maintenance on a stock PW50? Oh shit, now that's funny! 🍻

DC wrote:

Maintenance on 42 of them.

DC
Racer X

DC wrote:

We actually had this conversation in the office with the AMA officials as the protests were happening. It would be really cool if Yamaha could maybe...

We actually had this conversation in the office with the AMA officials as the protests were happening. It would be really cool if Yamaha could maybe have a trailer of PW50s there but I'm sure the cost and maintenance would be hefty...

DC
Racer X

Red Crawford wrote:

Maintenance on a stock PW50? Oh shit, now that's funny! 🍻

DC wrote:

Maintenance on 42 of them.

DC
Racer X

DC wrote:

Maintenance on 42 of them.

DC
Racer X

Dirty Points wrote:

Dozens of dollars!

DC wrote:

Sorry! 1994 was the year the Cobras first showed up, although there were only 3 or 4 of them there, but Brett Maimone, the Cobra founder's...

Sorry! 1994 was the year the Cobras first showed up, although there were only 3 or 4 of them there, but Brett Maimone, the Cobra founder's son, ended up winning.

DC
Racer X

ktm300hater wrote:

This will never happen just because if the cost, but imagine 42 brand new pdubs that belong to mx sports. You qualify on your own bike...

This will never happen just because if the cost, but imagine 42 brand new pdubs that belong to mx sports. You qualify on your own bike then show up to lorettas and have your bike furnished. Impound them after each moto and that Would end the cheating and a few 4-6 year old wouldn't be heartbroken because their dad is a snake

DC wrote:

We actually had this conversation in the office with the AMA officials as the protests were happening. It would be really cool if Yamaha could maybe...

We actually had this conversation in the office with the AMA officials as the protests were happening. It would be really cool if Yamaha could maybe have a trailer of PW50s there but I'm sure the cost and maintenance would be hefty...

DC
Racer X

Red Crawford wrote:

Maintenance on a stock PW50? Oh shit, now that's funny! 🍻

DC wrote:

Maintenance on 42 of them.

DC
Racer X

Red Crawford wrote:

Understood. My kids did the stock p-dub thing, but I don't recall any maintenance other than filter and hosing it off. 😄 I like the idea...

Understood. My kids did the stock p-dub thing, but I don't recall any maintenance other than filter and hosing it off. 😄 I like the idea (like the old Yamaha ROC dealio), but betting Yamaha legal dept. would howl with objections.

DC wrote:

Maintenance on 42 of them.

DC
Racer X

Red Crawford wrote:

Understood. My kids did the stock p-dub thing, but I don't recall any maintenance other than filter and hosing it off. 😄 I like the idea...

Understood. My kids did the stock p-dub thing, but I don't recall any maintenance other than filter and hosing it off. 😄 I like the idea (like the old Yamaha ROC dealio), but betting Yamaha legal dept. would howl with objections.

DC wrote:

I honestly have zero experience with pee-wee minicycle maintenance, my kids didn't start riding until they were on bigger bikes. I just thing that there would...

I honestly have zero experience with pee-wee minicycle maintenance, my kids didn't start riding until they were on bigger bikes. I just thing that there would be a lot of obstacles to getting someone (including Yamaha) to have that many bikes on loan, even if for one week at Loretta Lynn's. Just guessing the rig, the mechanic/managers, the chain-of-custody, the liability exposure and all the rest would add up in a hurry.

DC

DC wrote:

Sorry! 1994 was the year the Cobras first showed up, although there were only 3 or 4 of them there, but Brett Maimone, the Cobra founder's...

Sorry! 1994 was the year the Cobras first showed up, although there were only 3 or 4 of them there, but Brett Maimone, the Cobra founder's son, ended up winning.

DC
Racer X

ktm300hater wrote:

This will never happen just because if the cost, but imagine 42 brand new pdubs that belong to mx sports. You qualify on your own bike...

This will never happen just because if the cost, but imagine 42 brand new pdubs that belong to mx sports. You qualify on your own bike then show up to lorettas and have your bike furnished. Impound them after each moto and that Would end the cheating and a few 4-6 year old wouldn't be heartbroken because their dad is a snake

DC wrote:

We actually had this conversation in the office with the AMA officials as the protests were happening. It would be really cool if Yamaha could maybe...

We actually had this conversation in the office with the AMA officials as the protests were happening. It would be really cool if Yamaha could maybe have a trailer of PW50s there but I'm sure the cost and maintenance would be hefty...

DC
Racer X

mauidex wrote:

Would be way better way to spend marketing money than their 450 team last few years!!

Red Crawford wrote:

Maintenance on a stock PW50? Oh shit, now that's funny! 🍻

DC wrote:

Maintenance on 42 of them.

DC
Racer X

Red Crawford wrote:

Understood. My kids did the stock p-dub thing, but I don't recall any maintenance other than filter and hosing it off. 😄 I like the idea...

Understood. My kids did the stock p-dub thing, but I don't recall any maintenance other than filter and hosing it off. 😄 I like the idea (like the old Yamaha ROC dealio), but betting Yamaha legal dept. would howl with objections.

LowBidder wrote:

There have been factory supported amateur racers at Lorettas since the first year it started. The factory guys used to race the next year model bikes...

There have been factory supported amateur racers at Lorettas since the first year it started. The factory guys used to race the next year model bikes at Ponca in the mod classes, before anyone else had even seen them. Factories were giving bikes, parts, expense accounts, gear etc. in 1982, nothing new.

ktm300hater wrote:

I’d do the maintenance for hookup spot and free entry’s for area, regional and the national. Although that would mean I’d have to get off my...

I’d do the maintenance for hookup spot and free entry’s for area, regional and the national. Although that would mean I’d have to get off my butt and get in shape enough to race with all the ex pros 😂

aaryn #234 wrote:

We only have one "Full Stock class" here in Aus for our Junior National Championship which is the 50 class. Had my first year with my...

We only have one "Full Stock class" here in Aus for our Junior National Championship which is the 50 class.

Had my first year with my son in the class last year, approaching year two in a couple of months.

At least they are allowing us to run after market radiators on the KTM 50s this year.

But pretty much everything else has to be genuine stock parts, including clutches.

Can run different tyres, gearing, handle bars (not bar rises though!) and grips and change plastic color, that is about it.

Have to be stock foot pegs, no aftermarket bling.

Full of first year mini dad racers, there is a lot to learn in year one haha.

brycepdh wrote:

It wasn’t a pretty week at the aussies in Penguin, see that bike from Thailand had electric start on his 50? I wouldn’t like to go...

It wasn’t a pretty week at the aussies in Penguin, see that bike from Thailand had electric start on his 50?

I wouldn’t like to go through all that with the 50s again in scrutineering area. All I had to do was escort the top 3 bikes to the pull down area and make sure nothing was changed with the bikes. Had some 50 parent in my face complaining oh did someone protest us? Did someone think my bike is illegal? Who protested us etc...

I’m like dude your bike is in the top 3 and we require to pull down every top 3 finisher, I know nothing and all my job is to escort your bike from Parc ferme to the pull down area. Does this have to be so hard?

dadofagun wrote:

84 gallons of gas, 2 gal of injector oil, 42 spark plugs, and 2 large bottles of filter oil. 3 techs to maintain the fleet, done...

84 gallons of gas, 2 gal of injector oil, 42 spark plugs, and 2 large bottles of filter oil. 3 techs to maintain the fleet, done. Utilize various other companies to help with costs/advertise ( Dunlop with tires/tubes, Maxima for lubes, etc... ). Everyone contributes to justify costs, plus they all get to write off expenses in various forms........ this shit could be pulled off. It's legal, it's honest, and the playing field is level. Win win for all involved. Winner gets the bike, all others can purchase said bike at a DEEP discount. What parent wouldn't want their kids racebike to keep from their first trip to Lorettas, especially if it's a "factory" bike???? This could seriously work......

DC wrote:

Maintenance on 42 of them.

DC
Racer X

Red Crawford wrote:

Understood. My kids did the stock p-dub thing, but I don't recall any maintenance other than filter and hosing it off. 😄 I like the idea...

Understood. My kids did the stock p-dub thing, but I don't recall any maintenance other than filter and hosing it off. 😄 I like the idea (like the old Yamaha ROC dealio), but betting Yamaha legal dept. would howl with objections.

dadofagun wrote:

84 gallons of gas, 2 gal of injector oil, 42 spark plugs, and 2 large bottles of filter oil. 3 techs to maintain the fleet, done...

84 gallons of gas, 2 gal of injector oil, 42 spark plugs, and 2 large bottles of filter oil. 3 techs to maintain the fleet, done. Utilize various other companies to help with costs/advertise ( Dunlop with tires/tubes, Maxima for lubes, etc... ). Everyone contributes to justify costs, plus they all get to write off expenses in various forms........ this shit could be pulled off. It's legal, it's honest, and the playing field is level. Win win for all involved. Winner gets the bike, all others can purchase said bike at a DEEP discount. What parent wouldn't want their kids racebike to keep from their first trip to Lorettas, especially if it's a "factory" bike???? This could seriously work......

dadofagun wrote:

84 gallons of gas, 2 gal of injector oil, 42 spark plugs, and 2 large bottles of filter oil. 3 techs to maintain the fleet, done...

84 gallons of gas, 2 gal of injector oil, 42 spark plugs, and 2 large bottles of filter oil. 3 techs to maintain the fleet, done. Utilize various other companies to help with costs/advertise ( Dunlop with tires/tubes, Maxima for lubes, etc... ). Everyone contributes to justify costs, plus they all get to write off expenses in various forms........ this shit could be pulled off. It's legal, it's honest, and the playing field is level. Win win for all involved. Winner gets the bike, all others can purchase said bike at a DEEP discount. What parent wouldn't want their kids racebike to keep from their first trip to Lorettas, especially if it's a "factory" bike???? This could seriously work......

Red Crawford wrote:

You nailed it! 🎯 I believe Yamaha could work around the liability, and I like your idea. Winner gets his bike free---all others could buy out...

You nailed it! 🎯

I believe Yamaha could work around the liability, and I like your idea. Winner gets his bike free---all others could buy out the "one race lease" for their kid's LL race bike.

dadofagun wrote:

84 gallons of gas, 2 gal of injector oil, 42 spark plugs, and 2 large bottles of filter oil. 3 techs to maintain the fleet, done...

84 gallons of gas, 2 gal of injector oil, 42 spark plugs, and 2 large bottles of filter oil. 3 techs to maintain the fleet, done. Utilize various other companies to help with costs/advertise ( Dunlop with tires/tubes, Maxima for lubes, etc... ). Everyone contributes to justify costs, plus they all get to write off expenses in various forms........ this shit could be pulled off. It's legal, it's honest, and the playing field is level. Win win for all involved. Winner gets the bike, all others can purchase said bike at a DEEP discount. What parent wouldn't want their kids racebike to keep from their first trip to Lorettas, especially if it's a "factory" bike???? This could seriously work......

Red Crawford wrote:

You nailed it! 🎯 I believe Yamaha could work around the liability, and I like your idea. Winner gets his bike free---all others could buy out...

You nailed it! 🎯

I believe Yamaha could work around the liability, and I like your idea. Winner gets his bike free---all others could buy out the "one race lease" for their kid's LL race bike.

Red Crawford wrote:

Dadofagun's proposal has real merit! This needs to happen.
Modern day Pee Wee Race of Champions. 👍