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I know this product was just released so there probably aren’t any reviews yet. But what do you guys think of this? It’s $295, which doesn’t seem too bad if it works as described. I’m waiting on my 22 KTM 300 XC to come in and this may be exactly what I need. The AER forks have me a little concerned for the gnarly stuff. If this actually works it could be awesome.
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agn5008 wrote:
I know this product was just released so there probably aren’t any reviews yet. But what do you guys think of this? It’s $295, which doesn’t...
I know this product was just released so there probably aren’t any reviews yet. But what do you guys think of this? It’s $295, which doesn’t seem too bad if it works as described. I’m waiting on my 22 KTM 300 XC to come in and this may be exactly what I need. The AER forks have me a little concerned for the gnarly stuff. If this actually works it could be awesome.
Save the $300 and just get a revalve, that’s all they need to work half decent in the woods.
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The thing with the Kreft tank, though, is it has a switch to enable or disable it. So you can theoretically have the best of both worlds. Set your forks up for MX, then open the switch to get the plushness when you want to go off road. Seems pretty cool.
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FGR01 wrote:
The thing with the Kreft tank, though, is it has a switch to enable or disable it. So you can theoretically have the best of both...
The thing with the Kreft tank, though, is it has a switch to enable or disable it. So you can theoretically have the best of both worlds. Set your forks up for MX, then open the switch to get the plushness when you want to go off road. Seems pretty cool.
That’s why I’m interested. I’ll ride GNCC style terrain one day then hard enduro style terrain the next. This will also be my first rodeo with air forks.
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Darrin Willis 6/21/2021 3:52pm
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Im eagerly waiting reviews. I have a 19 350 xcf . Racetech revalve and gold valves.fantastic on the moto track. Not so good on gnarly single-track. I also have a 21 150 sx. Surprisingly awsome on single track. Mediocre for moto
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FGR01 wrote:
The thing with the Kreft tank, though, is it has a switch to enable or disable it. So you can theoretically have the best of both...
The thing with the Kreft tank, though, is it has a switch to enable or disable it. So you can theoretically have the best of both worlds. Set your forks up for MX, then open the switch to get the plushness when you want to go off road. Seems pretty cool.
agn5008 wrote:
That’s why I’m interested. I’ll ride GNCC style terrain one day then hard enduro style terrain the next. This will also be my first rodeo with...
That’s why I’m interested. I’ll ride GNCC style terrain one day then hard enduro style terrain the next. This will also be my first rodeo with air forks.
You can change air pressure to get most of that effect. You just need to experiment and find what works best for each discipline. The ‘21 forks are a lot more plush than the older ones and they respond very well to pressure changes.
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It's all about air spring volume/progression, no way to increase it without it or something like the Enzo tanks.
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FGR01 wrote:
The thing with the Kreft tank, though, is it has a switch to enable or disable it. So you can theoretically have the best of both...
The thing with the Kreft tank, though, is it has a switch to enable or disable it. So you can theoretically have the best of both worlds. Set your forks up for MX, then open the switch to get the plushness when you want to go off road. Seems pretty cool.
agn5008 wrote:
That’s why I’m interested. I’ll ride GNCC style terrain one day then hard enduro style terrain the next. This will also be my first rodeo with...
That’s why I’m interested. I’ll ride GNCC style terrain one day then hard enduro style terrain the next. This will also be my first rodeo with air forks.
wrc777 wrote:
You can change air pressure to get most of that effect. You just need to experiment and find what works best for each discipline. The ‘21...
You can change air pressure to get most of that effect. You just need to experiment and find what works best for each discipline. The ‘21 forks are a lot more plush than the older ones and they respond very well to pressure changes.
Since air replaces the spring in air forks...doesn't reducing the air pressure mean you are essentially "under springing" your bike?

How much sense does that make, to intentionally "underspring" a bike, since the right springs are the first thing most people change on their bikes?

Seems like the "moto plush tank" allows someone to essentially switch between valving without underspringing their bike...or am I missunderstanding how it works?
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FGR01 wrote:
The thing with the Kreft tank, though, is it has a switch to enable or disable it. So you can theoretically have the best of both...
The thing with the Kreft tank, though, is it has a switch to enable or disable it. So you can theoretically have the best of both worlds. Set your forks up for MX, then open the switch to get the plushness when you want to go off road. Seems pretty cool.
agn5008 wrote:
That’s why I’m interested. I’ll ride GNCC style terrain one day then hard enduro style terrain the next. This will also be my first rodeo with...
That’s why I’m interested. I’ll ride GNCC style terrain one day then hard enduro style terrain the next. This will also be my first rodeo with air forks.
wrc777 wrote:
You can change air pressure to get most of that effect. You just need to experiment and find what works best for each discipline. The ‘21...
You can change air pressure to get most of that effect. You just need to experiment and find what works best for each discipline. The ‘21 forks are a lot more plush than the older ones and they respond very well to pressure changes.
That’s what I’m hoping for. Im pretty confident they will be fine in the faster more whooped out terrain. I am just a little concerned with the roots/rocks and slow paced technical stuff.
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agn5008 6/21/2021 4:01pm
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agn5008 wrote:
That’s why I’m interested. I’ll ride GNCC style terrain one day then hard enduro style terrain the next. This will also be my first rodeo with...
That’s why I’m interested. I’ll ride GNCC style terrain one day then hard enduro style terrain the next. This will also be my first rodeo with air forks.
wrc777 wrote:
You can change air pressure to get most of that effect. You just need to experiment and find what works best for each discipline. The ‘21...
You can change air pressure to get most of that effect. You just need to experiment and find what works best for each discipline. The ‘21 forks are a lot more plush than the older ones and they respond very well to pressure changes.
Titan1 wrote:
Since air replaces the spring in air forks...doesn't reducing the air pressure mean you are essentially "under springing" your bike? How much sense does that make...
Since air replaces the spring in air forks...doesn't reducing the air pressure mean you are essentially "under springing" your bike?

How much sense does that make, to intentionally "underspring" a bike, since the right springs are the first thing most people change on their bikes?

Seems like the "moto plush tank" allows someone to essentially switch between valving without underspringing their bike...or am I missunderstanding how it works?
That’s what I’m understanding about it too.
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I have no knowledge about the plush tank but I did have the kreft RC control on my 19fc350 and it was the bomb.
It made a huge difference going from a stiff moto setup to softish off-road. They were some of the best forks I’ve ever had.
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The tank increases the volume of air giving a less progressive ramp up of pressure. More like a spring fork. This is not a new idea it’s just been applied to the air fork. . There have been designs that used the handlebar as an air bladder.
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I'd like to see a comparison between a well tuned aer, with and without the plush tank.
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agn5008 wrote:
That’s why I’m interested. I’ll ride GNCC style terrain one day then hard enduro style terrain the next. This will also be my first rodeo with...
That’s why I’m interested. I’ll ride GNCC style terrain one day then hard enduro style terrain the next. This will also be my first rodeo with air forks.
wrc777 wrote:
You can change air pressure to get most of that effect. You just need to experiment and find what works best for each discipline. The ‘21...
You can change air pressure to get most of that effect. You just need to experiment and find what works best for each discipline. The ‘21 forks are a lot more plush than the older ones and they respond very well to pressure changes.
Titan1 wrote:
Since air replaces the spring in air forks...doesn't reducing the air pressure mean you are essentially "under springing" your bike? How much sense does that make...
Since air replaces the spring in air forks...doesn't reducing the air pressure mean you are essentially "under springing" your bike?

How much sense does that make, to intentionally "underspring" a bike, since the right springs are the first thing most people change on their bikes?

Seems like the "moto plush tank" allows someone to essentially switch between valving without underspringing their bike...or am I missunderstanding how it works?
Changing air pressure changes the spring rate. You generally want a softer spring for lower speeds/sharper bumps/lower grip/tighter turns which all happen in the woods. Ktm xc models stock air setting is about a bar higher than the sx models.
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wrc777 wrote:
You can change air pressure to get most of that effect. You just need to experiment and find what works best for each discipline. The ‘21...
You can change air pressure to get most of that effect. You just need to experiment and find what works best for each discipline. The ‘21 forks are a lot more plush than the older ones and they respond very well to pressure changes.
Titan1 wrote:
Since air replaces the spring in air forks...doesn't reducing the air pressure mean you are essentially "under springing" your bike? How much sense does that make...
Since air replaces the spring in air forks...doesn't reducing the air pressure mean you are essentially "under springing" your bike?

How much sense does that make, to intentionally "underspring" a bike, since the right springs are the first thing most people change on their bikes?

Seems like the "moto plush tank" allows someone to essentially switch between valving without underspringing their bike...or am I missunderstanding how it works?
wrc777 wrote:
Changing air pressure changes the spring rate. You generally want a softer spring for lower speeds/sharper bumps/lower grip/tighter turns which all happen in the woods. Ktm...
Changing air pressure changes the spring rate. You generally want a softer spring for lower speeds/sharper bumps/lower grip/tighter turns which all happen in the woods. Ktm xc models stock air setting is about a bar higher than the sx models.
It’s 139psi, that’s higher than the SX models?
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agn5008 wrote:
That’s why I’m interested. I’ll ride GNCC style terrain one day then hard enduro style terrain the next. This will also be my first rodeo with...
That’s why I’m interested. I’ll ride GNCC style terrain one day then hard enduro style terrain the next. This will also be my first rodeo with air forks.
wrc777 wrote:
You can change air pressure to get most of that effect. You just need to experiment and find what works best for each discipline. The ‘21...
You can change air pressure to get most of that effect. You just need to experiment and find what works best for each discipline. The ‘21 forks are a lot more plush than the older ones and they respond very well to pressure changes.
agn5008 wrote:
That’s what I’m hoping for. Im pretty confident they will be fine in the faster more whooped out terrain. I am just a little concerned with...
That’s what I’m hoping for. Im pretty confident they will be fine in the faster more whooped out terrain. I am just a little concerned with the roots/rocks and slow paced technical stuff.
You should buy one and be the tester for us.
The 21 setting sucks for technical woods riding. Maybe the plush tank will make if feel a little more comfortable but it’s not gonna change the Valving and that’s the issue. So if you plan on riding lots of hard enduro stuff the forks are harsh and deflect. They work great on smooth MX tracks but can’t deal with anything square edge over an inch. Slap downs are still harsh and they deflect in rocks.
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Guess I should have just went with the TE.
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"Kreft" does it make your forks buttery smooth?
Name sounds like some new Butter or Margarine spreadWinkTongueLaughingLaughing

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Titan1 wrote:
Since air replaces the spring in air forks...doesn't reducing the air pressure mean you are essentially "under springing" your bike? How much sense does that make...
Since air replaces the spring in air forks...doesn't reducing the air pressure mean you are essentially "under springing" your bike?

How much sense does that make, to intentionally "underspring" a bike, since the right springs are the first thing most people change on their bikes?

Seems like the "moto plush tank" allows someone to essentially switch between valving without underspringing their bike...or am I missunderstanding how it works?
wrc777 wrote:
Changing air pressure changes the spring rate. You generally want a softer spring for lower speeds/sharper bumps/lower grip/tighter turns which all happen in the woods. Ktm...
Changing air pressure changes the spring rate. You generally want a softer spring for lower speeds/sharper bumps/lower grip/tighter turns which all happen in the woods. Ktm xc models stock air setting is about a bar higher than the sx models.
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It’s 139psi, that’s higher than the SX models?
No I typed it backwards. Sx is about a bar higher than xc.
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agn5008 wrote:
Guess I should have just went with the TE.
Do you ride stuff like this? If so I don’t think you wil like that fork.





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agn5008 wrote:
Guess I should have just went with the TE.
CKNY wrote:
Do you ride stuff like this? If so I don’t think you wil like that fork.[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498948/s1200_2E73D133_8952_48A0_B6FF_E2B8EDE86859.jpg[/img][img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498947/s1200_9280EADA_FF6C_43DE_9382_2F48B329AB52.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498946/s1200_D54F1091_55D4_4AC1_8056_32FA010BEDA9.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498949/s1200_4D211131_7AB2_47E4_BE6B_BD79415BE287.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498951/s1200_94DE0A95_87E2_4724_9609_038AFA79A28B.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498950/s1200_6C10594C_CBA7_47FA_820C_AE36F1C39FAE.jpg[/img]
Do you ride stuff like this? If so I don’t think you wil like that fork.





I ride a little bit of both. When I ride with a certain group of friends (some of which are top 15 US hard enduro riders) we obviously do hard enduro. But the majority of the time I’m riding your standard east coast harescramble terrain. I’d say 25-30% of the time I’m doing hard enduro. I had the TE 300 before and I didn’t really like the wide ratio gearing for the “regular” riding which is why I went with the XC.

So, what I seem to be getting out of all this is I should get the fork revalved. Then maybe give this plush tank a try. I wish there were some reviews out there but I guess I’ll end up being the guinea pig Laughing
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agn5008 wrote:
Guess I should have just went with the TE.
CKNY wrote:
Do you ride stuff like this? If so I don’t think you wil like that fork.[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498948/s1200_2E73D133_8952_48A0_B6FF_E2B8EDE86859.jpg[/img][img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498947/s1200_9280EADA_FF6C_43DE_9382_2F48B329AB52.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498946/s1200_D54F1091_55D4_4AC1_8056_32FA010BEDA9.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498949/s1200_4D211131_7AB2_47E4_BE6B_BD79415BE287.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498951/s1200_94DE0A95_87E2_4724_9609_038AFA79A28B.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498950/s1200_6C10594C_CBA7_47FA_820C_AE36F1C39FAE.jpg[/img]
Do you ride stuff like this? If so I don’t think you wil like that fork.





East Coast?
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agn5008 wrote:
Guess I should have just went with the TE.
CKNY wrote:
Do you ride stuff like this? If so I don’t think you wil like that fork.[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498948/s1200_2E73D133_8952_48A0_B6FF_E2B8EDE86859.jpg[/img][img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498947/s1200_9280EADA_FF6C_43DE_9382_2F48B329AB52.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498946/s1200_D54F1091_55D4_4AC1_8056_32FA010BEDA9.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498949/s1200_4D211131_7AB2_47E4_BE6B_BD79415BE287.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498951/s1200_94DE0A95_87E2_4724_9609_038AFA79A28B.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498950/s1200_6C10594C_CBA7_47FA_820C_AE36F1C39FAE.jpg[/img]
Do you ride stuff like this? If so I don’t think you wil like that fork.





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East Coast?
Yep, Atlantic Canada.
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agn5008 wrote:
Guess I should have just went with the TE.
CKNY wrote:
Do you ride stuff like this? If so I don’t think you wil like that fork.[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498948/s1200_2E73D133_8952_48A0_B6FF_E2B8EDE86859.jpg[/img][img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498947/s1200_9280EADA_FF6C_43DE_9382_2F48B329AB52.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498946/s1200_D54F1091_55D4_4AC1_8056_32FA010BEDA9.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498949/s1200_4D211131_7AB2_47E4_BE6B_BD79415BE287.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498951/s1200_94DE0A95_87E2_4724_9609_038AFA79A28B.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/22/498950/s1200_6C10594C_CBA7_47FA_820C_AE36F1C39FAE.jpg[/img]
Do you ride stuff like this? If so I don’t think you wil like that fork.





agn5008 wrote:
I ride a little bit of both. When I ride with a certain group of friends (some of which are top 15 US hard enduro riders)...
I ride a little bit of both. When I ride with a certain group of friends (some of which are top 15 US hard enduro riders) we obviously do hard enduro. But the majority of the time I’m riding your standard east coast harescramble terrain. I’d say 25-30% of the time I’m doing hard enduro. I had the TE 300 before and I didn’t really like the wide ratio gearing for the “regular” riding which is why I went with the XC.

So, what I seem to be getting out of all this is I should get the fork revalved. Then maybe give this plush tank a try. I wish there were some reviews out there but I guess I’ll end up being the guinea pig Laughing
I think you’d be happy with a revalve. I had too many air side leak issues from new so I went Lucky carts. The forks work great in fast GNCC and GP style stuff but will beat the piss out of you once you hit some gnar. The early AER fork felt better in the woods in my opinion. New fork has more options for tuning with the updates it has.
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I know the Moto Plush Tank is a different product, but I had my WP Xplor forks reworked at Kreft six months ago. The Kreft Xplor fork conversion balanced the damping across but fork legs and with the addition of the Revalve Control works it works brilliantly. Being able to adjust my mid-valve on the fly is a game changer for woods riding. Worth every penny.
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