Kicker AX Sold & New Teams Joining

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Edited Date/Time 10/10/2022 9:42pm
I was told last week, and heard on Pulp that the Kicker AX series sold. Apparently the new owners are making are making it like the old Amsoil AX series. Anybody know any teams that'll be coming in/or riders?
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For a guy that has been involved in Arenacross in one way or another for over 25 years, I haven't heard a peep or any info except for that rumor of a new owner..
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Hopefully they can revive it, I feel like arenacross has taken an even bigger backseat to moto/sx than usual.
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Maybe Jay from Hoosier AX bought it...also heard Brassfield and maybe someone else was wanting to buy it. Hopefully, they still have the amateur days.
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Maybe Mike Kidd can buy it back and get it going again.
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6/28/2022 4:49pm Edited Date/Time 6/28/2022 4:49pm
crt32 wrote:
Maybe Jay from Hoosier AX bought it...also heard Brassfield and maybe someone else was wanting to buy it. Hopefully, they still have the amateur days.
It wasn’t Jay. He has his own Hoosier AX outlaw series and doesn’t need to buy it. I’m sure I’ll see him at Red Bud this weekend (always do) and will try to get the scoop on his series for the upcoming season.
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Sounds like it’s going to be like the old AX series according to starling and Harriman
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Word on the street is a pro night Saturday, amateur stuff on Sunday like the old days.

Also heard it's a few investors who came onboard, one's been mentioned here, plus someone who was around from the good ol' days (but on the team side, so bringing that perspective), a Nashville concert promoter who seems to have some cool ideas (fingers crossed they pan out), and maybe another investor I'm drawing a blank on.

From all the grumblings it seems to be focused on making it better for the racers, and several other factors will be improved as well. Not to hate on Todd, he kept AX going as an AMA championship plus I think he is still involved, I just think with a group there are more heads to put to the task of organizing a championship, as well as a wealth of additional knowledge, unique experience, and resources.

I'm excited to see what it looks like this year.
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Hasn’t been gone long. Why on earth shut it down to only go through the trouble trying to revive it again?
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mb60 wrote:
Maybe Mike Kidd can buy it back and get it going again.
Mid-80's Texas Arenacross Series was a blast!
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I heard the same thing a few weeks back. It sold and the new owner wants to get the series back to where it was in the Amsoil days. I hope this happens, I appreciate the effort of the Arenacross series’ the last few years but I sure would like to see it as big as it was again.
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The old ax was a blast, especially racing amateur on Sundays

Pros were super approachable, and Sunday’s were a carbon copy of the pro track, just with the jumps rolled instead of having peaks.

Great for the sport to have it back!
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mb60 wrote:
Maybe Mike Kidd can buy it back and get it going again.
wb173 wrote:
Mid-80's Texas Arenacross Series was a blast!
Yes it was!
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mb60 wrote:
Maybe Mike Kidd can buy it back and get it going again.
Didn't kidd try to run some races several years ago and didn't get much participation.

He is in his 79's and might just have decided to play more golf. He has certainly earned it.

Reviving arena cross to what it was in the late 80's/mid 90's when arenas would sell out is going to be tough. Anybody that saw 125 and 250 2 strokes knows how great the racing was. They were just better suited for those tight tracks.

It is getting harder, and will continue to do so, to get people out to live events. Money is getting tight and getting people to spend disposable income when they have a killer gaming system, netflix, and youtube is getting harder.

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Amateur fees for Friday and Saturday racing had to make up 90% of the profit for Kicker Arenacross. Unless TV pays the bills. I don't see how moving the amateurs to Sunday will help their profit unless they get major sponsors for Pro Nights. And they are going to have to get more pros lining up. Huge drop-off in speed after the top 3 usually. All the pros are fast, not dissing them, but Peters and company on another level. If they move amateur to Sunday it'll increase the amateur scene at Hoosier AX I think. Hopefully, they keep Lazy E on the tour.
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The NBA venues are taking a $ hit, isn't any revenue good for the small arena now? Here in indy it had arenacross in market square arena (pacers nba), which I raced amateur days early on. Now it's bankers life (or called something else now) with only NBA and nothing else.. and it's failing. I want arenacross to make a big comeback because it has its niche. I'm an outdoor mx fan by heart, but I want all racing to succeed.
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Getting back to Central IL would be cool. If at all possible.
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hopefully a few so cal venues .
the Orleans casino in LV use to hold badass mini moto SX races that's a good sized venue
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Happily thinking back on the days from the Amsoil Arenacross with the "Factory Husqvarna" team who drafted Austin Stroupe in, and the kid was on it from day one. Sadly he had a setback with his struggles but I was happy to see some extra racing from him! Also riders such as Kyle Peters, Gavin Faith, Kyle Regal, Kyle Bitterman, Jacob Hayes ... all great riders on their own! The basic track design: Whoops - Triple Double - Catapult jump - Start straight was interesting!
6/29/2022 6:36pm
Cycle City (promoter) did sell the series to an old pro from Oklahoma. Todd of cycle city will still be around at those races to help usher in new ownership.

As for new teams, they did make an attempt about my race team coming over but with our aspiration to race supercross mixed with the proposed schedule, we will be staying with the Hoosier AX series for 22-23. With that being said, I’m sure there are some individuals that will be building new teams for the Kicker series and I wish them all the luck!

I truly hope both series can thrive and coexist happily. We need them both.


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mb60 wrote:
Maybe Mike Kidd can buy it back and get it going again.
wb173 wrote:
Mid-80's Texas Arenacross Series was a blast!
TommyLee93 wrote:
Yes it was!
There's only one Tommy Lee with a 93 behind the name!
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The best thing about the old Amsoil races was the format. As a pro, you could race 2 nights a weekend and make money both nights. The payouts were solid and more often than not, there were a lot of people at those races that could make a night show or main event at a SX.
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Cycle City (promoter) did sell the series to an old pro from Oklahoma. Todd of cycle city will still be around at those races to help...
Cycle City (promoter) did sell the series to an old pro from Oklahoma. Todd of cycle city will still be around at those races to help usher in new ownership.

As for new teams, they did make an attempt about my race team coming over but with our aspiration to race supercross mixed with the proposed schedule, we will be staying with the Hoosier AX series for 22-23. With that being said, I’m sure there are some individuals that will be building new teams for the Kicker series and I wish them all the luck!

I truly hope both series can thrive and coexist happily. We need them both.


So the rumor about Jumpin Jack was true then. Hopefully, they make it better and work with the Hoosier series to allow riders from both series to compete vs running head to head. But for amateurs moving to Sunday only is a backwards move imo. There aren't enough pros, heats, lcqs to make the show last long enough for the casual fan to be pro only on Friday and Saturday...Maybe that'll change if they get more teams, but they need 20-40 pros each race to make that happen. Hoosier is doing a good job by having rider intros, new pro numbers, and pit parties. I just wish their tracks were a little bigger. Also, the arenas don't seem to pull in a ton of fans, but that may be a marketing thing too, idk.
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So the rumor about Jumpin Jack was true then. Hopefully, they make it better and work with the Hoosier series to allow riders from both series...
So the rumor about Jumpin Jack was true then. Hopefully, they make it better and work with the Hoosier series to allow riders from both series to compete vs running head to head. But for amateurs moving to Sunday only is a backwards move imo. There aren't enough pros, heats, lcqs to make the show last long enough for the casual fan to be pro only on Friday and Saturday...Maybe that'll change if they get more teams, but they need 20-40 pros each race to make that happen. Hoosier is doing a good job by having rider intros, new pro numbers, and pit parties. I just wish their tracks were a little bigger. Also, the arenas don't seem to pull in a ton of fans, but that may be a marketing thing too, idk.
If you’re talking about Missouri legend jumpin Jack Jones, that’s news to me and not who I was referring to.

As for the switch to pro night and am day, it has pros and cons. If you’re in the business of selling tickets to general public, it’s a good move. I’m sure they’ll highlight a 50cc and supermini race. The ideal show is 3 hours long no less no more.

I’ve seen the word “teams” used a lot in this thread. The only multi rider teams in AX are Phoenix Honda, DBM Suzuki, and myself. It takes a team of people to make one rider happen, but to field more than one rider is another level. It’s not easy to start or maintain a team, so these teams of riders being spoken of- frankly they don’t exist. Like I said before. There may be a few inspired folks, and I encourage it, but they’re about to embark on a nationwide series with new ownership that goes on top of SX. It’s a tall order, and I hope we do see people trying their hand at team ownership, but with the way expense/inflation is headed, don’t expect to see new multi rider teams sprouting up.

I know the Kicker pro points fund will attract a lot of guys away from being SX back markers.
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crt32 wrote:
So the rumor about Jumpin Jack was true then. Hopefully, they make it better and work with the Hoosier series to allow riders from both series...
So the rumor about Jumpin Jack was true then. Hopefully, they make it better and work with the Hoosier series to allow riders from both series to compete vs running head to head. But for amateurs moving to Sunday only is a backwards move imo. There aren't enough pros, heats, lcqs to make the show last long enough for the casual fan to be pro only on Friday and Saturday...Maybe that'll change if they get more teams, but they need 20-40 pros each race to make that happen. Hoosier is doing a good job by having rider intros, new pro numbers, and pit parties. I just wish their tracks were a little bigger. Also, the arenas don't seem to pull in a ton of fans, but that may be a marketing thing too, idk.
If you’re talking about Missouri legend jumpin Jack Jones, that’s news to me and not who I was referring to. As for the switch to pro...
If you’re talking about Missouri legend jumpin Jack Jones, that’s news to me and not who I was referring to.

As for the switch to pro night and am day, it has pros and cons. If you’re in the business of selling tickets to general public, it’s a good move. I’m sure they’ll highlight a 50cc and supermini race. The ideal show is 3 hours long no less no more.

I’ve seen the word “teams” used a lot in this thread. The only multi rider teams in AX are Phoenix Honda, DBM Suzuki, and myself. It takes a team of people to make one rider happen, but to field more than one rider is another level. It’s not easy to start or maintain a team, so these teams of riders being spoken of- frankly they don’t exist. Like I said before. There may be a few inspired folks, and I encourage it, but they’re about to embark on a nationwide series with new ownership that goes on top of SX. It’s a tall order, and I hope we do see people trying their hand at team ownership, but with the way expense/inflation is headed, don’t expect to see new multi rider teams sprouting up.

I know the Kicker pro points fund will attract a lot of guys away from being SX back markers.
Jumpin Jack Brassfield
8/24/2022 5:58am
There are lots of resources and investing going on behind the scenes. This includes a series that works better for the Pro teams/riders and the amateur participants. There is also a tremendous effort being put into the fan experience.
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crt32 wrote:
So the rumor about Jumpin Jack was true then. Hopefully, they make it better and work with the Hoosier series to allow riders from both series...
So the rumor about Jumpin Jack was true then. Hopefully, they make it better and work with the Hoosier series to allow riders from both series to compete vs running head to head. But for amateurs moving to Sunday only is a backwards move imo. There aren't enough pros, heats, lcqs to make the show last long enough for the casual fan to be pro only on Friday and Saturday...Maybe that'll change if they get more teams, but they need 20-40 pros each race to make that happen. Hoosier is doing a good job by having rider intros, new pro numbers, and pit parties. I just wish their tracks were a little bigger. Also, the arenas don't seem to pull in a ton of fans, but that may be a marketing thing too, idk.
If you’re talking about Missouri legend jumpin Jack Jones, that’s news to me and not who I was referring to. As for the switch to pro...
If you’re talking about Missouri legend jumpin Jack Jones, that’s news to me and not who I was referring to.

As for the switch to pro night and am day, it has pros and cons. If you’re in the business of selling tickets to general public, it’s a good move. I’m sure they’ll highlight a 50cc and supermini race. The ideal show is 3 hours long no less no more.

I’ve seen the word “teams” used a lot in this thread. The only multi rider teams in AX are Phoenix Honda, DBM Suzuki, and myself. It takes a team of people to make one rider happen, but to field more than one rider is another level. It’s not easy to start or maintain a team, so these teams of riders being spoken of- frankly they don’t exist. Like I said before. There may be a few inspired folks, and I encourage it, but they’re about to embark on a nationwide series with new ownership that goes on top of SX. It’s a tall order, and I hope we do see people trying their hand at team ownership, but with the way expense/inflation is headed, don’t expect to see new multi rider teams sprouting up.

I know the Kicker pro points fund will attract a lot of guys away from being SX back markers.
"Missouri Legend"...might be a little far. Hopefully Jack doesn't see this...or his head won't fit inside of a helmet! Wink lol (just kidding, of course)
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The old AX series was great for and dominated by ex Pro SX riders. Antunez Bradshaw and more made it exciting. Pros raced 2 classes 125 and 250 on Friday and Saturday and Amateur was Sunday. At some point it went to only 250F and 1 class which hurt the series IMO.

Wasn’t racing AX the way to get your SX license back in the day?
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I just wish AX would come back to Baltimore.
8/24/2022 9:14am
lumpy790 wrote:
The old AX series was great for and dominated by ex Pro SX riders. Antunez Bradshaw and more made it exciting. Pros raced 2 classes 125...
The old AX series was great for and dominated by ex Pro SX riders. Antunez Bradshaw and more made it exciting. Pros raced 2 classes 125 and 250 on Friday and Saturday and Amateur was Sunday. At some point it went to only 250F and 1 class which hurt the series IMO.

Wasn’t racing AX the way to get your SX license back in the day?
What makes it better about racing two different bikes? This seems more expensive for riders and teams. One day like MX and SX seems like the ideal situation for them.

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