Keefer Inc's 2018 YZ450F Article

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6/12/2017 12:14 PM

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6/12/2017 12:26 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/12/2017 1:01 PM

The improvements sound good. I like new models that get refined with out re eventing the wheel.

Still amazing its 23-24lbs heavier than a KTM with estart.

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6/12/2017 12:31 PM

Markee wrote:

The improvements sound good. I like new models that get refined with out re eventing the wheel.

Still amazing its 23-24lbs heavier than a KTM with estart.

Imagine if the new KTM FE manages to get even lighter? Crazy to think it might happen.

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6/12/2017 12:33 PM

Good fuckin read.

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6/12/2017 12:33 PM

Markee wrote:

The improvements sound good. I like new models that get refined with out re eventing the wheel.

Still amazing its 23-24lbs heavier than a KTM with estart.

Not quite that much: Yamaha specs with a full tank.

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6/12/2017 12:56 PM

Markee wrote:

The improvements sound good. I like new models that get refined with out re eventing the wheel.

Still amazing its 23-24lbs heavier than a KTM with estart.

Dirty Points wrote:

Not quite that much: Yamaha specs with a full tank.

13-14lb dry weight difference right?

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6/12/2017 1:04 PM

Markee wrote:

The improvements sound good. I like new models that get refined with out re eventing the wheel.

Still amazing its 23-24lbs heavier than a KTM with estart.

Dirty Points wrote:

Not quite that much: Yamaha specs with a full tank.

Really? Why would they do that? You would think on a customer level comparing specs, they would keep it simple and not have to do math to figure a fair comparison.

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6/12/2017 1:09 PM

regardless of anything this is a beautifullll machine.

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6/12/2017 1:22 PM

i'm not a Yamaha guy but that bike looks awesome. You could easily and cheaply get the weight down with an exhaust, seat foam???, and a few other ways. It's key to only put as much gas in the tank as needed for your moto to save the weight. If this thing handles well....I'll bet that it winds up being a great bike. The 2014-2017 is a good bike and fits my skill level fine....but I think the refinements will push this thing over the top.

I personally ride a KTM so I don't know.........

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6/12/2017 1:23 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/12/2017 1:27 PM

Markee wrote:

The improvements sound good. I like new models that get refined with out re eventing the wheel.

Still amazing its 23-24lbs heavier than a KTM with estart.

Dirty Points wrote:

Not quite that much: Yamaha specs with a full tank.

Markee wrote:

Really? Why would they do that? You would think on a customer level comparing specs, they would keep it simple and not have to do math to figure a fair comparison.

It was a response to an increasingly bullshit weight spec-war that occurred for decades in the motorcycle industry. Bikes were spec'd increasingly "dry" with zero lubrication, suspension oil, gear oil, and all sorts of other goofball tricks.

Weight specs were getting fantastical compared with what real-life owners actually experienced, so some manufacturers responded by coming up with "ready-to-race" all-filled-up specs.

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6/12/2017 1:41 PM

IceMan446 wrote:

13-14lb dry weight difference right?

Probably thereabouts, with the spring vs air fork difference contributing maybe a couple of those pounds.

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6/12/2017 1:44 PM

Moto520 wrote:

i'm not a Yamaha guy but that bike looks awesome. You could easily and cheaply get the weight down with an exhaust, seat foam???, and a few other ways. It's key to only put as much gas in the tank as needed for your moto to save the weight. If this thing handles well....I'll bet that it winds up being a great bike. The 2014-2017 is a good bike and fits my skill level fine....but I think the refinements will push this thing over the top.

I personally ride a KTM so I don't know.........

Isn't think seat foam close to $200? Adding an aftermarket slip-on cost at least $300 or more as well.

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6/12/2017 1:48 PM

Markee wrote:

Really? Why would they do that? You would think on a customer level comparing specs, they would keep it simple and not have to do math to figure a fair comparison.

Because you ride a bike full of oil, gas, suspension fluid, ect.

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6/12/2017 1:56 PM

Magazines should weight all bikes with same amount of gas in each since weight could vary up to 3 pounds due to fuel tank size

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6/12/2017 1:57 PM

Dirty Points wrote:

Not quite that much: Yamaha specs with a full tank.

Markee wrote:

Really? Why would they do that? You would think on a customer level comparing specs, they would keep it simple and not have to do math to figure a fair comparison.

c0ncEpT wrote:

Because you ride a bike full of oil, gas, suspension fluid, ect.

This

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Tomac and/or Anderson for 2020.....

6/12/2017 2:00 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/12/2017 2:03 PM

Moto520 wrote:

i'm not a Yamaha guy but that bike looks awesome. You could easily and cheaply get the weight down with an exhaust, seat foam???, and a few other ways. It's key to only put as much gas in the tank as needed for your moto to save the weight. If this thing handles well....I'll bet that it winds up being a great bike. The 2014-2017 is a good bike and fits my skill level fine....but I think the refinements will push this thing over the top.

I personally ride a KTM so I don't know.........

Permeance_Flux wrote:

Isn't think seat foam close to $200? Adding an aftermarket slip-on cost at least $300 or more as well.

Yes....the Think foam is around $200 but the Guts Phantom foam is way less expensive. The exhaust.....many of us change that out right away so its almost the cost of doing business for serious racers. The stock exhausts are pretty restrictive (at least on the Honda's) so it's probably the second mod after suspensions setup. It probably shouldn't be because power is not an issue with these 450's but.....that's where many of us piss out money away!

Edit.....holy crap the Think foam is $300.00. The Guts Phantom foam is $200 but they generally have deals throughout the year. Pretty expensive.

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6/12/2017 2:00 PM

Permeance_Flux wrote:

Isn't think seat foam close to $200? Adding an aftermarket slip-on cost at least $300 or more as well.

Make yourself a strong drink of choice, throw in your favorite Moto movie, bust out your phone and BAM!!! Before you know it you ordered a bunch of cool shit. Worth it

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6/12/2017 2:17 PM

Rct851 wrote:

Make yourself a strong drink of choice, throw in your favorite Moto movie, bust out your phone and BAM!!! Before you know it you ordered a bunch of cool shit. Worth it

Haha I like your style
Can't take the money with ya, when ya die

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6/12/2017 2:21 PM

Could someone explain why everyone has been getting a weight saving boner these days??? I mean I understand a lighter bike would be nice, but is it that big of an advantage for you guys? Yes for the top pros it is. But the majority I see complaining about weight is the vet guys that don't even go that fast. They act like that saving weight allows them to throw the bike around in the corners and throw huge whips off jumps, which their not even close from doing.

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6/12/2017 2:23 PM

Mx286 wrote:

Could someone explain why everyone has been getting a weight saving boner these days??? I mean I understand a lighter bike would be nice, but is it that big of an advantage for you guys? Yes for the top pros it is. But the majority I see complaining about weight is the vet guys that don't even go that fast. They act like that saving weight allows them to throw the bike around in the corners and throw huge whips off jumps, which their not even close from doing.

These days?

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6/12/2017 2:28 PM

I love the look of the Yamahas lately.

But regarding the weight, it just seems like Yamahas lately come with a bunch of "extra" panels and pieces. Whereas the tank used to also the main part of the bike that your legs came into contact with, now you have a tank and separately big shrouds, two seats, a tank, a tank cover, etc. All of those separate pieces also require more hardware and tabs to secure. That will definitely add to the weight.

Plus Yamaha always includes extra protective bits like the heat shield on the header, the rear disk guard, rear brake caliper guard, water pump guard, etc which the KTM doesn't include. It all adds up quick, and comparing this to the KTM isn't exactly apples-to-apples.

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6/12/2017 2:45 PM

Mx286 wrote:

Could someone explain why everyone has been getting a weight saving boner these days??? I mean I understand a lighter bike would be nice, but is it that big of an advantage for you guys? Yes for the top pros it is. But the majority I see complaining about weight is the vet guys that don't even go that fast. They act like that saving weight allows them to throw the bike around in the corners and throw huge whips off jumps, which their not even close from doing.

Are you trying to say that the weight of a bike doesn't matter? No offence but in that case i almost question if you ride.

I ride a 2017 sxf 450 and got to try a friends brand new(6 hours old, basically brand new)2017 yzf 450 and it felt WAY heavier than the KTM when i rode it.

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6/12/2017 2:48 PM

Bikes should be weighed with all fluids but zero gas. That would eliminate different size gas tanks from skewing the weight.

Just wondering how long term durability compares between the KTMs and Yamis. Anyone? Yamaha may be putting more emphasis on strength and durability since they know they're not going to win the weight battle with conventional suspension.

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6/12/2017 2:55 PM

Mx286 wrote:

Could someone explain why everyone has been getting a weight saving boner these days??? I mean I understand a lighter bike would be nice, but is it that big of an advantage for you guys? Yes for the top pros it is. But the majority I see complaining about weight is the vet guys that don't even go that fast. They act like that saving weight allows them to throw the bike around in the corners and throw huge whips off jumps, which their not even close from doing.

Motofinne wrote:

Are you trying to say that the weight of a bike doesn't matter? No offence but in that case i almost question if you ride.

I ride a 2017 sxf 450 and got to try a friends brand new(6 hours old, basically brand new)2017 yzf 450 and it felt WAY heavier than the KTM when i rode it.

No I agree a lighter bike would be nice. Since KTM has set the bar being the lightest, everyone seems to act as if all the other brands are heavy. Your average racer is not going to go any faster on KTM or Kawi. I've ridden all brands and I just don't see where the weight advantage comes into play where it makes or breaks which bike I purchase.

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6/12/2017 3:03 PM

Mx286 wrote:

Could someone explain why everyone has been getting a weight saving boner these days??? I mean I understand a lighter bike would be nice, but is it that big of an advantage for you guys? Yes for the top pros it is. But the majority I see complaining about weight is the vet guys that don't even go that fast. They act like that saving weight allows them to throw the bike around in the corners and throw huge whips off jumps, which their not even close from doing.

Motofinne wrote:

Are you trying to say that the weight of a bike doesn't matter? No offence but in that case i almost question if you ride.

I ride a 2017 sxf 450 and got to try a friends brand new(6 hours old, basically brand new)2017 yzf 450 and it felt WAY heavier than the KTM when i rode it.

Mx286 wrote:

No I agree a lighter bike would be nice. Since KTM has set the bar being the lightest, everyone seems to act as if all the other brands are heavy. Your average racer is not going to go any faster on KTM or Kawi. I've ridden all brands and I just don't see where the weight advantage comes into play where it makes or breaks which bike I purchase.

I never said that the average guy is faster on a lighter bike or that it should be the decisive factor when someone buys a bike. But the weight makes a difference, even for the average rider.

Some might feel like the heavier bike(Suzuki, Yamaha) feels more stable than a KTM or Honda and vice versa. But the weight matters. I for sure didn't like the noticeably extra weight and bulkyness of the Yamaha compared to the KTM. But i loved the forks.

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6/12/2017 3:15 PM

Markee wrote:

The improvements sound good. I like new models that get refined with out re eventing the wheel.

Still amazing its 23-24lbs heavier than a KTM with estart.

Permeance_Flux wrote:

Imagine if the new KTM FE manages to get even lighter? Crazy to think it might happen.

I would think at some point theres going to be a minimum weight.

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6/12/2017 3:18 PM

Moto520 wrote:

i'm not a Yamaha guy but that bike looks awesome. You could easily and cheaply get the weight down with an exhaust, seat foam???, and a few other ways. It's key to only put as much gas in the tank as needed for your moto to save the weight. If this thing handles well....I'll bet that it winds up being a great bike. The 2014-2017 is a good bike and fits my skill level fine....but I think the refinements will push this thing over the top.

I personally ride a KTM so I don't know.........

Damn near 3 pounds going from a stock exhaust to an FMF system from what I remember on my 250f.

And I know that the seat on the yamaha is pretty light so I don't know how much one of the Think or Guts seats would shave off.

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6/12/2017 3:21 PM

Essentially the new bike is the same weight if you factor the 2.4lbs in fuel weight by reducing the fuel tank size. Not bad considering they added electric start but was hoping it would be closer to KTM weight.

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6/12/2017 3:24 PM

Lightweight helps when you're 4 laps in on the last Moto of the day. I notice the 12lb off my bike.

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6/12/2017 3:37 PM

I want it. Gonna wait to see the rmz. Will probably buy another KTM....

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