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its about time the Japanese brands will DUMP these alu frames and make exact copy's of the KTM's , even the engines .

see how Cooper Webb is improved coming from Yamaha you cant say this has nothing to do with the bike !

so Yamaha, get back to the drawing board and design a succesfull engine (not reversed) ..and place it in a regular Steel frame !!!!

make those bikes cheaper than the KTM's , whats not so difficult , and get back in the game.

KTM podium sweep has to make it clear something has to change !

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Did you miss the part where Webb said he always slacked off training then once he got to Aldons that shit was over. Add in hes practicing with the fastest guys, a fresh start, and there u go. The factory bikes are all phenominal at this level.
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Did you miss the part about him and Aldons start being a little rocky in the beginning? Could be the yamaha, injuries prior or maybe even the training he was doing wasn’t enough. Aldon had Dungey and RV winning on those other brands. But lets throw logic out the window because KTM had a great night. Plus who wants to go back to painting a frame and it looking roached out in a month?
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dirty1974 1/29/2019 2:55am
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standing 2018 SX ..3 of the 4 first places are KTM and KTM copy bikes (husky) ..
Webb training at Aldon could not make so much of a difference if he hate his bike !
Aldon is overhyped .

Barcia riding this well with this bulky bike has much to to with him riding over the top ..look at his takeoff already !
just my 2 cents
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dirty1974 wrote:
standing 2018 SX ..3 of the 4 first places are KTM and KTM copy bikes (husky) .. Webb training at Aldon could not make so much...
standing 2018 SX ..3 of the 4 first places are KTM and KTM copy bikes (husky) ..
Webb training at Aldon could not make so much of a difference if he hate his bike !
Aldon is overhyped .

Barcia riding this well with this bulky bike has much to to with him riding over the top ..look at his takeoff already !
just my 2 cents
Yes but Barca was on a Suzuki in 2017 and his results weren’t very good, and the Zooks are a more traditional Japanese design.
I’d say Webb’s new training schedule has the most to do with his improvement. And yes, the Yamaha is a little different, so maybe that plays a part too. Didn’t Reed say Yamaha was going in the wrong direction with setup and wouldn’t listen to his input. Might be part of the problem there too. It can’t all be because of the steel frame and motor design.
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KTM has like 20 factory riders in sx alone. At some point its a numbers game.
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When was the last time JGR has results ? they can flip and switch all they want , they dont make results .
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dirty1974 wrote:
standing 2018 SX ..3 of the 4 first places are KTM and KTM copy bikes (husky) .. Webb training at Aldon could not make so much...
standing 2018 SX ..3 of the 4 first places are KTM and KTM copy bikes (husky) ..
Webb training at Aldon could not make so much of a difference if he hate his bike !
Aldon is overhyped .

Barcia riding this well with this bulky bike has much to to with him riding over the top ..look at his takeoff already !
just my 2 cents
AlDoN iS oVeRhYpEd Woohoo
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Web is a small guy and fits the smaller KTM better. Let me guess, the op owns a KTM....?
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dirty1974 1/29/2019 3:58am
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i dont own a KTM , the last KTM i owned was a 1996 250SX , bike was a disaster then !
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fourfourone 1/29/2019 4:43am
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He openly admitted on pulp that when he was with Yamaha, he didn't practice that hard and his fitness wasn't the best. Aldon doesn't let that shit slide.
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cody41 1/29/2019 4:53am
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Goon126 wrote:
Web is a small guy and fits the smaller KTM better. Let me guess, the op owns a KTM....?
Probably owns the toaster and slippers as well
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newmann 1/29/2019 5:26am
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World Domination! Steel frames are best frames! Aldon and his Mona Vie is just the icing on the cake.
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newmann 1/29/2019 5:27am
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Goon126 wrote:
Web is a small guy and fits the smaller KTM better. Let me guess, the op owns a KTM....?
cody41 wrote:
Probably owns the toaster and slippers as well
The toaster is badass!
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Turbojez 1/29/2019 5:34am
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I said it before and will repeat it a million more times if necessary:
It's not the bike.
Much Ty.
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Turbojez 1/29/2019 6:05am
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Within the last 10 years:

4 450 SX Championships were won on steel framed bikes vs 6 won on alu frames.
3 450 AMA MX Championships were won on steel framed bikes vs 7 won on alu frames.
7 MXGP Championships were won on steel framed bikes vs 3 won on alu frames.

Total: 14 out of 30 championships. Numbers don't lie.
I call bullshit on KTM Supremacy.
They sure have plenty of talent on KTM/Husky teams, no question about it.
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urbanlift707 1/29/2019 7:30am
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Turbojez wrote:
Within the last 10 years: 4 450 SX Championships were won on steel framed bikes vs 6 won on alu frames. 3 450 AMA MX Championships...
Within the last 10 years:

4 450 SX Championships were won on steel framed bikes vs 6 won on alu frames.
3 450 AMA MX Championships were won on steel framed bikes vs 7 won on alu frames.
7 MXGP Championships were won on steel framed bikes vs 3 won on alu frames.

Total: 14 out of 30 championships. Numbers don't lie.
I call bullshit on KTM Supremacy.
They sure have plenty of talent on KTM/Husky teams, no question about it.
Those pesky facts always getting in the way of feelings.
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H4L 1/29/2019 7:50am
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At the top pro level all the manufacturers have capable winning bikes. Look at what KR94 did on an outdated Zuk just a few yrs. ago in 2016.
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Goon126 wrote:
Web is a small guy and fits the smaller KTM better. Let me guess, the op owns a KTM....?
cody41 wrote:
Probably owns the toaster and slippers as well
newmann wrote:
The toaster is badass!
I have the toaster. It actually toasts “KTM” in the sides of the bread Laughing
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I think we all know the secret of Webb's success

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Turbojez wrote:
Within the last 10 years: 4 450 SX Championships were won on steel framed bikes vs 6 won on alu frames. 3 450 AMA MX Championships...
Within the last 10 years:

4 450 SX Championships were won on steel framed bikes vs 6 won on alu frames.
3 450 AMA MX Championships were won on steel framed bikes vs 7 won on alu frames.
7 MXGP Championships were won on steel framed bikes vs 3 won on alu frames.

Total: 14 out of 30 championships. Numbers don't lie.
I call bullshit on KTM Supremacy.
They sure have plenty of talent on KTM/Husky teams, no question about it.
“Liars firgure, figures lie.” This is a quote from many years ago that stuck with me. I absolutely don’t give a rat squirt of piss about what bike is better than what bike but I’m calling you out on your numbers.
One very important fact you left out is the number of riders on aluminum vs. steel. 4 + Aluminum manufacturers vs. 1 or 2 (including Husky) steel. Obviously more riders on those aluminum frames, that helps the odds of winning. AND really it’s more about the rider not the bike! (We all know this but fun to argue.)
Try again with those weak stats!

All kidding aside, it’s about rigidity/accuracy vs. forgiveness/less accuracy. Materials just part of equation. There’s a million other things that affect handling and rider feedback.
Flame on!
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observeroffacts 1/29/2019 8:21am
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drt410 wrote:
Did you miss the part where Webb said he always slacked off training then once he got to Aldons that shit was over. Add in hes...
Did you miss the part where Webb said he always slacked off training then once he got to Aldons that shit was over. Add in hes practicing with the fastest guys, a fresh start, and there u go. The factory bikes are all phenominal at this level.
Have you ridden a current yz450? I have owned one. The wide frame is literally like riding a quad. It feels like a couch with wheels. Ergo’s on the other Japanese bikes are still great.
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Andy_Greenney 1/29/2019 9:41am
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Turbojez wrote:
Within the last 10 years: 4 450 SX Championships were won on steel framed bikes vs 6 won on alu frames. 3 450 AMA MX Championships...
Within the last 10 years:

4 450 SX Championships were won on steel framed bikes vs 6 won on alu frames.
3 450 AMA MX Championships were won on steel framed bikes vs 7 won on alu frames.
7 MXGP Championships were won on steel framed bikes vs 3 won on alu frames.

Total: 14 out of 30 championships. Numbers don't lie.
I call bullshit on KTM Supremacy.
They sure have plenty of talent on KTM/Husky teams, no question about it.
You’re not factoring in how many ktm/husky are out there, if they won half the titles but don’t make up half the field...
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Chuckyboy 1/29/2019 10:06am
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dirty1974 wrote:
its about time the Japanese brands will DUMP these alu frames and make exact copy's of the KTM's , even the engines . see how Cooper...
its about time the Japanese brands will DUMP these alu frames and make exact copy's of the KTM's , even the engines .

see how Cooper Webb is improved coming from Yamaha you cant say this has nothing to do with the bike !

so Yamaha, get back to the drawing board and design a succesfull engine (not reversed) ..and place it in a regular Steel frame !!!!

make those bikes cheaper than the KTM's , whats not so difficult , and get back in the game.

KTM podium sweep has to make it clear something has to change !

Ok so if this statement is true then what happened in the 250 class?
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KDXGarage 1/29/2019 10:13am
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VitalMX delivering the daily dose of dumb. Thanks, OP.
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drt410 wrote:
Did you miss the part where Webb said he always slacked off training then once he got to Aldons that shit was over. Add in hes...
Did you miss the part where Webb said he always slacked off training then once he got to Aldons that shit was over. Add in hes practicing with the fastest guys, a fresh start, and there u go. The factory bikes are all phenominal at this level.
observeroffacts wrote:
Have you ridden a current yz450? I have owned one. The wide frame is literally like riding a quad. It feels like a couch with wheels...
Have you ridden a current yz450? I have owned one. The wide frame is literally like riding a quad. It feels like a couch with wheels. Ergo’s on the other Japanese bikes are still great.
I sure have and owned it for 5 years. Loved it and would buy another in a heart beat.

Oh and just for facts and numbers purposes, we measured a 14 yz450,17 rmz450 and 17 crf450 at different points in the frame and at the shrouds. The Yamaha was not the widest in any area we measured. That was split between the RMZ and CRF. The only thing with the Yamaha was the shrouds started going out earlier than the rest. That was the only time the Yamaha was wider than the other two, but shortly after that the other two caught up and became wider than the Yamaha.
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STLSharky 1/29/2019 10:26am
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Cashmore wrote:
Did you miss the part about him and Aldons start being a little rocky in the beginning? Could be the yamaha, injuries prior or maybe even...
Did you miss the part about him and Aldons start being a little rocky in the beginning? Could be the yamaha, injuries prior or maybe even the training he was doing wasn’t enough. Aldon had Dungey and RV winning on those other brands. But lets throw logic out the window because KTM had a great night. Plus who wants to go back to painting a frame and it looking roached out in a month?
My Husky frame is white powdercoated from factory and you cant scrub it off has 30 hrs and zero wear!
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