KTM spending $570 million on developing electric bikes?

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Ebikes are gonna be big. Real big, but these are dir transportation.
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Strange that an Alta deal couldn't be reached if this number is being thrown around. Although I wonder if " light E bike" is like the Harley concept floating around?
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mikec265 2/6/2019 5:36pm
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KTM R&D unofficially has atleast 2 Altas according to my secret source, which isn't a surprise.
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I don't know the entire back story on all the companies doing this , like KTM , Harley , what Alta did......but to me , standing on the outside , it looks like Alta got raped in their design. Bought out and discarded. They are the one's who brought this to the limelight in this sport , and they'll be thrown to the wayside because they weren't big enough to compete against the big manufacture's. It wasn't like the Cannondale thing , where the bike was a pile of crap. The Alta was a really good bike , and we'll probably never hear from them again.
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mikec265 2/6/2019 6:10pm
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The only thing Altas needed were better suspension settings. Unless you ask the Baja 1000 riders who can't comprehend the fact that the bike wasn't designed for long rides. Best bike I've ever owned, and my neighbors are not bothered by it when they are eating dinner.
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Derek Harris 2/6/2019 6:13pm
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mikec265 wrote:
KTM R&D unofficially has atleast 2 Altas according to my secret source, which isn't a surprise.
All the OEMS have looked at them.
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NITRODOG 2/6/2019 6:37pm
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I think I heard all of their 2020 50cc dirtbikes will be electric, I wonder how electric bikes do in limewater?
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mikec265 2/6/2019 6:44pm
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NITRODOG wrote:
I think I heard all of their 2020 50cc dirtbikes will be electric, I wonder how electric bikes do in limewater?
I heard that too, but I can't see them just giving Cobra a 100% monopoly on fast 50s.
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Fact:
pigs will gracefully glide through the moonlit sky before I buy an electric vehicle.
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gnarwhip 2/6/2019 7:31pm
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I hope they make a 70 so I can rip around my yard without the neighbors getting mad
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mikec265 2/6/2019 8:19pm
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gnarwhip wrote:
I hope they make a 70 so I can rip around my yard without the neighbors getting mad
I hope 65 and 85cc equivalents are coming. Almost no maintenance and riding while the neighbors are eating dinner without bothering them is awesome.
I love plugging my Alta into the wall outlet instead of making so many trips for expensive race gas.
I still ride my gas bikes while the neighbors are at work, but it's so nice to ride MORE without bothering them.
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mikec265 wrote:
KTM R&D unofficially has atleast 2 Altas according to my secret source, which isn't a surprise.
Derek Harris wrote:
All the OEMS have looked at them.
Which is probably the exact reason no one bought Alta, once they realized Alta wasn’t doing anything that special they knew they could develop their own e-dirtbikes just as good if not better.
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That’s okay, I’ll be dead pretty soon anyway.
Hey.... Stop that shit.
You got a lot of welding left in you !
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tiddlermx23 2/7/2019 2:57am
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Just glad I got to try out one of their demo dual sport bikes in the middle of town before they shut down. Such a fun bike that would have totally got me into trouble if I had it in my hands any longer.
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PRM31 2/7/2019 3:16am
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Once they get the weight down, ebikes will outperform gas. They can generate so much torque and they can control the motor at very high rates. When Elon Musk when interviewed by Joe Rogan he was saying they can do crazy things with control of electric motors. Essentially send 1000 unique signals to the motor every second with it responding. Gas engines are relatively very slow to respond to inputs where electric is essentially instantaneous.
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I'll buy one if they lower the weight, add a second battery (that can be swapped in 2 min, so that I can do two 30 min rides) and come at the price of a current fourstroke.
Their benefits (no engine wear and maintenance, no bent radiators or exhausts..) and simplicity will prevail.
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jeffro503 wrote:
I don't know the entire back story on all the companies doing this , like KTM , Harley , what Alta did......but to me , standing...
I don't know the entire back story on all the companies doing this , like KTM , Harley , what Alta did......but to me , standing on the outside , it looks like Alta got raped in their design. Bought out and discarded. They are the one's who brought this to the limelight in this sport , and they'll be thrown to the wayside because they weren't big enough to compete against the big manufacture's. It wasn't like the Cannondale thing , where the bike was a pile of crap. The Alta was a really good bike , and we'll probably never hear from them again.
I think you're right, and it's very sad...
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PRM31 wrote:
Once they get the weight down, ebikes will outperform gas. They can generate so much torque and they can control the motor at very high rates...
Once they get the weight down, ebikes will outperform gas. They can generate so much torque and they can control the motor at very high rates. When Elon Musk when interviewed by Joe Rogan he was saying they can do crazy things with control of electric motors. Essentially send 1000 unique signals to the motor every second with it responding. Gas engines are relatively very slow to respond to inputs where electric is essentially instantaneous.
Pulse width modulation??
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observeroffacts 2/7/2019 4:27am
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user760a wrote:
Fact:
pigs will gracefully glide through the moonlit sky before I buy an electric vehicle.
Fact: You sound like a toddler who refuses to wear a coat when it’s cold outside.
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drt410 2/7/2019 5:18am
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This could lead to inner city sx parks just like there are skateparks. This could be the best thing to ever happen to the sport.
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user760a wrote:
Fact:
pigs will gracefully glide through the moonlit sky before I buy an electric vehicle.
observeroffacts wrote:
Fact: You sound like a toddler who refuses to wear a coat when it’s cold outside.
or a person who does not like a silly new style of overpriced coat. One that looks like a burlap sack yet costs 50 percent more than a decent coat. A coat that keeps you warm for a half hour and then has to be removed and reheated for up for 10 hours . do I sound like that person?
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user760a wrote:
Fact:
pigs will gracefully glide through the moonlit sky before I buy an electric vehicle.
observeroffacts wrote:
Fact: You sound like a toddler who refuses to wear a coat when it’s cold outside.
user760a wrote:
or a person who does not like a silly new style of overpriced coat. One that looks like a burlap sack yet costs 50 percent more...
or a person who does not like a silly new style of overpriced coat. One that looks like a burlap sack yet costs 50 percent more than a decent coat. A coat that keeps you warm for a half hour and then has to be removed and reheated for up for 10 hours . do I sound like that person?
You could have the silly new style coat that you neighbors don't complain about and can wear right outside your house. But you settled for already paid for coat, that your neighbors despise and you have to drive an hour to go wear it.
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Derek Harris 2/7/2019 8:12am
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E is the future if we have one


Saddens me, Ill quit when it comes. Gas is more exciting and interesting

The battery tech is the largest hurdle, as the motor power and tech is easily all there power, size and weight

Lot of jobs go away once e comes
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mattyhamz2 2/7/2019 8:31am
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drt410 wrote:
This could lead to inner city sx parks just like there are skateparks. This could be the best thing to ever happen to the sport.
I've said it many times before and I will say it again.. Dust will still be an issue and will continue to keep tracks from being built within cities. Can't forget that.
MyersAvionics 2/7/2019 8:35am
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I have a little Sur-Ron Lite Bee. I even ride it to work when it's nice out. Great little Ebike. I will often take it to the local park in town that has a lot of wooded single track trails and ride it around. No issues with people. The people that do stop and ask me about it think it's awesome. If you're interested in an Ebike, check this one out. They're popping up all over the place here in the midwest since a few of us with them bring them to races for our pit bikes. My wife loves riding it around at the Hare Scrambles to get to different parts of the trail to watch.

My normal bike is a 2019 KTM 300XC. I'll be very interested in a full sized Ebike when it is better than my 300 (Tall order).

Just some quick facts below:
1. Shipped to my door it was $3,700
2. With the battery installed it weighs approximately 110-115lbs
3. You can swap the battery in about 20-30seconds
4. Range is awesome - Riding 10 miles round trip to work (including fast/hilly single track on the way home) I use about 15-20% of the battery.
5. Top speed recorded on mine (Not the X-Controller) is 47mph.
6. Aftermarket parts are popping up - Different controllers & hard parts.
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BikeGuy321 2/7/2019 8:43am
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Their price kind of scares me away, but the bigger OEMs should have an advantage there over tiny little Alta.

I love gas engines especially two strokes, but the writting is on the wall with goverments banning fireplaces in new homes ect.
Squirrelings 2/7/2019 8:44am
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drt410 wrote:
This could lead to inner city sx parks just like there are skateparks. This could be the best thing to ever happen to the sport.
That would be amazing, but I'd be amazingly shocked if I ever see that.
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drt410 wrote:
This could lead to inner city sx parks just like there are skateparks. This could be the best thing to ever happen to the sport.
Squirrelings wrote:
That would be amazing, but I'd be amazingly shocked if I ever see that.
I could see it happening but not a tilled track like we are used to. More of a hardpack mix if dirt track, TT, and BMX.

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