KTM Versus Japan Bike Pricing - URBAN LEGEND

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8/2/2018 11:25 AM

I keep reading posts stating that KTM's are "much" more expensive than Jap bikes. I'm curious where this belief comes from OR where it's accurate/true. I personally haven't experienced a significant difference.

I think a lot of people are mistaken on the price differential on KTM's versus Jap bikes. Difference, at least in "fly over country" where I live is minimal at best. I'm in Tulsa but bought the 2018 listed below from a dealer in Milwaukee, WI.

Here's what I paid for 450 KTM's OTD. Note these numbers don't include tax. All other fees included. In Oklahoma you only pay tax if you title the bike. Needless to say I don't title mine. KTM's being much more expensive is an urban legend despite getting superior quality. Tax is a push in this comparison as the differential would be the same as the tax rate is the same.

YEAR OTD MSRP
2017 $8,870 $9,400
2018 $8,800 $9,600
2019 $9,112 $9,900

Also, none of these bikers were bought late in the model year or as leftovers. All were bought within 1 month of release.

Am I out of touch with the rest of the country?

Rick

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8/2/2018 11:39 AM
Edited Date/Time: 8/2/2018 11:39 AM

A local dealer here in socalwas selling 2019 kx450's for 11-12k otd. It's all what people are willing to pay, they were the first to have them and they sold them all that week. I think it just depends on the hype of the bike, the new kx is a huge upgrade and some people are willing to pay a premium to have it first.

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8/2/2018 11:41 AM

I live in Arizona, I think the problem I have noticed is that we get a significantly less of an amount of Austrian bikes than we do Jap bikes. We have more jap bike dealers, thus it is easier to walk out the door with a better price with a Jap bike. My local dealer is a husq/alta dealer and they told me that if I wanted a tx300 or even te300 I was going to have to pay sticker price plus tax dealer fees etc. The guy told me they just don't make as many or get as many bikes. I have been a loyal guy to them for years spending many a thousands of dollars with them. So it isn't like I'm just walking in, They know me. Maybe the demand for Ktms where you are is less than normal markets.

Bottom line for me is I couldn't walk out with a Husqvarna for less than 10.

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8/2/2018 11:44 AM

urban myth like Mikey dying from eating pop rocks and coca-cola.

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vomiting equals disqualification.

8/2/2018 11:44 AM

Not much difference for FULL retail. What is different is the Jap brands have more deals and incentives which I don’t see with Orange/White. Maybe that will change as the newer Jap bikes start taking back sales with new gen/better bikes.

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8/2/2018 12:09 PM

RCMXracing wrote:

Not much difference for FULL retail. What is different is the Jap brands have more deals and incentives which I don’t see with ...more

The way I see it is MSRP is meaningless. The only number that matters is OTD. I doubt anybody pays MSRP. I only posted MSRP as a reference point.

It seems dealers out West like in Kalifornia and Arizona tend to be less willing to deal. Wouldn't it be worth driving a bit to another state to get "real world" pricing?

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8/2/2018 12:30 PM

they are all within a reasonable price zone of the others, pick a side and go with it. The KTMs do hold more resale if that is a concern.

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vomiting equals disqualification.

8/2/2018 12:55 PM

I was just in a shop about two months ago, the 2018 KX450's were rougly around $7500 here, plus kawi had good financing. But the taxes here in good ole' CT are what fucking kill you. But still, my buddy just bought an 18 KTM tree fitty XC-F for like $11,000. Fuck that

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8/2/2018 1:03 PM

pkiczuk wrote:

I was just in a shop about two months ago, the 2018 KX450's were rougly around $7500 here, plus kawi had good financing. But ...more

can't compare an XC-F to a KX.

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vomiting equals disqualification.

8/2/2018 1:06 PM

"Jap Bikes" now that's classy right there!

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Don’t piss off the old people - the older they get the less “life in prison” is a deterrent for them!

2020.5 KTM 450 SXF FE
2006 KX250

8/2/2018 1:49 PM

I would disagree with your statement about KTM offering superior quality. I'd say some things are nicer, some things aren't.

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8/2/2018 2:13 PM

just had a shop in Indiana quote me 6357.79 OTD for a left over 17' Kawi 450. Im buying one with 12hrs on it off a buddy this week for 5500.

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Vital news is 100% true 30% of the time.

8/2/2018 2:18 PM

skeef wrote:

I live in Arizona, I think the problem I have noticed is that we get a significantly less of an amount of Austrian bikes than ...more

that dealer is lying to you

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8/2/2018 2:18 PM

At least you dont have my local shop. Left over 2015 CRF450r sitting on the floor right now. The super amazing deal they are offering on it? $7500 plus TTL and prep fees. For a 2015 model

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8/2/2018 2:19 PM

You can get a 18 KX for about 5600 otd right now. RMZs are similar.

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8/2/2018 2:27 PM

18. Rmz,kawy 450 s.here. $6200 otd

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8/2/2018 7:07 PM

My local dealer in SWMO has a 2018 KX450F for $5899 OTD. It's their last '18. I've never paid retail for our KTM's. It's always been less. I have a friend that paid way more on his 16 KX450F than a did for my 16 450SXF. I think it all comes down to the dealer you are purchasing your bikes from.

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8/2/2018 7:17 PM

Your best OTD price is $2000 more than I paid for my last two KX 450s OTD, not including tax like you have your prices listed.

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8/2/2018 8:41 PM

Squirrelings wrote:

Your best OTD price is $2000 more than I paid for my last two KX 450s OTD, not including tax like you have your prices listed. ...more

Resale is still there also though i have sold used huskys for more than dealers can sell new kx or rmz450s for lol.

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8/3/2018 10:16 AM
Edited Date/Time: 8/3/2018 10:18 AM

Squirrelings wrote:

Your best OTD price is $2000 more than I paid for my last two KX 450s OTD, not including tax like you have your prices listed. ...more

Were the bikes you referenced left over stock or newly released models. My basis for this thread was current, newly released models. If you bought a current year model from the Land of the Rising Sun for $2,000 for less than a same model year KTM I'm very impressed/incredulous.

Rick

P.S. See what I did there. I'm now politically correct as I didn't refer to bikes from the Orient as "Jap" bikes. Never thought the word Jap was not allowed by the PC police...

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8/3/2018 10:37 AM

Two strokes are cheaper. And better.

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8/3/2018 10:46 AM

Squirrelings wrote:

Your best OTD price is $2000 more than I paid for my last two KX 450s OTD, not including tax like you have your prices listed. ...more

rikhek wrote:

Were the bikes you referenced left over stock or newly released models. My basis for this thread was current, newly released ...more

"Orient" is non-PC. The term now is "Asia." whistling

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Braaapin' aint easy.

8/3/2018 10:59 AM

Another thing to consider is cost of replacement parts. Top-end kits, radiators, etc. Items that will eventually wear out/break.

Having never owned a KTM, I don't know if they are comparable to Japanese prices

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8/3/2018 12:03 PM

Squirrelings wrote:

Your best OTD price is $2000 more than I paid for my last two KX 450s OTD, not including tax like you have your prices listed. ...more

rikhek wrote:

Were the bikes you referenced left over stock or newly released models. My basis for this thread was current, newly released ...more

Rick, I don't think we're talking about being pc. I think it's just being respectful to a group of people that have been our allies for decades now.

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8/3/2018 12:11 PM

Kx450 in ohio is $10,252 OTD. the 19 FC450 is $9,999 on the sticker & at cycletrader. What the hell kind of “urban legend” are you talking about?

the koolaid is more expensive apples to apples. Msrp vs msrp or 10% sale vs 10% sale. I dont understand how you think otherwise.

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8/3/2018 1:20 PM

last year I snagged a 2017 yz450f leftover for 6500. with tax and bs is was a bit over 7k

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8/3/2018 2:12 PM

BroFoSho wrote:

Another thing to consider is cost of replacement parts. Top-end kits, radiators, etc. Items that will eventually wear ...more

When I bought my 350 in 2011 parts like that were a bit steep. But, parts for my ‘17 450 are on par with the Japanese stuff. Subframes and radiators are actually cheaper. Things like the clutch baskets and inner hubs last for hundreds of hours as the wear surface is steel. In fact, the clutch baskets are all steel. The stock clutch on my 350 had 165 hours on it when I sold it....and was perfect. As did the crank. The Austrian bikes have gotten so big that the aftermarket is HUGE for them.

I only have 40 hours on my 450 so I cannot comment on reliability yet. But, the valves in my 350 had 110 hours on them and never moved a thousandth. I replaced them because that was twice as long as I ever got from a Japanese bike, without catastrophic failure.

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Tomac and/or Anderson for 2020.....

8/3/2018 7:20 PM

My 2017 KTM 350 was $7588 OTD in October of last year. It was cheaper than any Honda or Yamaha 450 i could get at the time. The KTM 450 was $8k OTD and the Husky's were $200 more than that. 2017 Suzuki 450 was $6800 OTD around the same time.

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8/3/2018 7:40 PM

BR8ES wrote:

urban myth like Mikey dying from eating pop rocks and coca-cola.

7th grade, Mikey died many times. No f'n Narcan in every police cruiser back then.

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8/3/2018 8:06 PM
Edited Date/Time: 8/3/2018 8:09 PM

A little heads up here guys KTM is making a killing off us dirtbike guys by making less bikes than are needed to go around to pay for their non selling street models. The few bikes that get to the dealer are in demand because they don’t make enough and the price is high on those models. I believe it is only a matter of time before you see the bottom fall out of they business model at the moment. They are making it really hard on the dealer to sell their products when the dealer themselves can’t get the bikes they want and know that sell.

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