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3/14/2018 11:57 AM
Edited Date/Time: 3/14/2018 11:59 AM

I know a lot of the members here are avid cyclists so it's as good as any place to get a opinion...

Whats the consensus on KTM's road bike program?

They look like good products from a distance. Very limited distribution still in the USA so I havent seen one in person.

But I've been told by my local shop they are "junk".

https://www.bikerumor.com/2017/08/02/2018-ktm-revelator-lisse-aero-road-bike-gets-clean-creative-cable-integration/

Looks pretty nice to me. And a heck of a decent price...

https://mtbandroad.com/ktm-revelator-lisse-master-2018-road-bike-sale


My alternative choice is a TM branded road bike from an Italian company that does incredible stuff, but I'll be into the bike for over $10k when Im done. https://www.mxbars.net/2013/11/07/caam-corse-le-bici-ufficiali-tm-racing/

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3/14/2018 12:12 PM

I’ll stick with my Trek bikes. Photo

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“Let the Good Times Roll”

3/14/2018 12:28 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/14/2018 12:29 PM

why do you need to buy a motorcycle name branded bicycle? is it that you want your fellow cyclists to know that you ride moto too? I don't know, I'm not saying they're good or bad, just that there are so many other choices.

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3/14/2018 12:31 PM

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3/14/2018 12:45 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/14/2018 12:47 PM

ti473 wrote:

why do you need to buy a motorcycle name branded bicycle? is it that you want your fellow cyclists to know that you ride moto too? I don't know, I'm not saying they're good or bad, just that there are so many other choices.

Because there are tons of good choices, I have the option of having fun with my purchase.

The TM's are not made by TM. They are made by J-EMM (formerly CAAM Corse). They use some pretty cool carbon technology. And I am a carbon whore.

If I have the option of getting a J-EMM or TM, I'll go with the TM branded version. I just think it's cool and rare.

How cool is this bike? https://www.pinkbike.com/news/now-that-was-a-bike-alpinestars-ti-mega-2014.html

Im interested in the KTM because it seems like a great value, if the quality is there. I assume it is. But my local dealer has nothing but negative shit to say about them. I did a little reading and apparently when they first entered the bike market, they were not made in-house but were rebranded. That rep has stuck with them.

Now it seems they are made in Austria and done so in-house. I think. I dont know. Just looking for a more educated opinion.

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3/14/2018 1:03 PM

KTM Fahrrad GmbH, which makes the bicycles, has nothing to do with KTM AG, which makes the motorcycles.

In conclusion, this thread is NOT moto-related and should therefore be banished.

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3/14/2018 1:04 PM

Jabroni wrote:

I know a lot of the members here are avid cyclists so it's as good as any place to get a opinion...

Whats the consensus on KTM's road bike program?

They look like good products from a distance. Very limited distribution still in the USA so I havent seen one in person.

But I've been told by my local shop they are "junk".

https://www.bikerumor.com/2017/08/02/2018-ktm-revelator-lisse-aero-road-bike-gets-clean-creative-cable-integration/

Looks pretty nice to me. And a heck of a decent price...

https://mtbandroad.com/ktm-revelator-lisse-master-2018-road-bike-sale


My alternative choice is a TM branded road bike from an Italian company that does incredible stuff, but I'll be into the bike for over $10k when Im done. https://www.mxbars.net/2013/11/07/caam-corse-le-bici-ufficiali-tm-racing/

Certainly some interesting things going on with that KTM, and the price point is intriguing. But I would caution that with bikes, the old adage of "you get what you pay for" is always applicable. While I can't speak to that KTM bike specifically, and I understand $3K+ for a bike doesn't seem cheap to many, they look to be competing with bikes of much higher value, and have included new technologies. These two things would steer me away, personally. There are far too many tried and true options at that price point (and those options have grown substantially over the last few years), and if your budget really is $10K, you're undoubtedly going to be completely disappointed with anything that isn't at or near that level, because there's little comparison. You're just not going to get a $10K bike for under $4K.

I can't say that your shop guy is correct or incorrect, but I can say that a lot of shop guys tend to have major biases. A lot of bikes are made by other brands, and this isn't always a bad thing because some of the bigger guys out there have the capital to invest in adequate quality testing in house, and help to keep price points a bit lower for those frames.

As with any bike purchase, I tell people to check the warranty and ride the bike. Find a demo somewhere nearby. If there isn't one, reach out to the company, but don't spend big bucks on a bike you haven't ridden.

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3/14/2018 1:16 PM

Motocross Kid wrote:

KTM Fahrrad GmbH, which makes the bicycles, has nothing to do with KTM AG, which makes the motorcycles.

In conclusion, this thread is NOT moto-related and should therefore be banished.

All the top Pro MX/SX racers use cycling for training. That makes it Moto.

You’ve been a member here less than 3 months and you are making decisions already like you have been here a decade??

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3/14/2018 1:30 PM

Surprisingly, a non bike store carries them in my small town. They look nice, but may be overpriced from my understanding. Apparently a similar product to a comparable Fuji or something along that line.

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3/14/2018 1:34 PM

Motocross Kid wrote:

KTM Fahrrad GmbH, which makes the bicycles, has nothing to do with KTM AG, which makes the motorcycles.

In conclusion, this thread is NOT moto-related and should therefore be banished.

It shall stand.

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3/14/2018 1:37 PM

Motocross Kid wrote:

KTM Fahrrad GmbH, which makes the bicycles, has nothing to do with KTM AG, which makes the motorcycles.

In conclusion, this thread is NOT moto-related and should therefore be banished.

If you want to get technical about KTM's history, there's plenty to argue that it is moto-related. wink

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3/14/2018 1:39 PM

If the pros that spend all day on road bikes training choose to stick to the traditional bike brands, I'd follow suit if I were you. Brands like Trek, Giant and Specialized have year and millions of miles of race pedigree behind their development. I'm not aware of anyone that rides a KTM bike.

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3/14/2018 1:41 PM

ti473 wrote:

why do you need to buy a motorcycle name branded bicycle? is it that you want your fellow cyclists to know that you ride moto too? I don't know, I'm not saying they're good or bad, just that there are so many other choices.

Jabroni wrote:

Because there are tons of good choices, I have the option of having fun with my purchase.

The TM's are not made by TM. They are made by J-EMM (formerly CAAM Corse). They use some pretty cool carbon technology. And I am a carbon whore.

If I have the option of getting a J-EMM or TM, I'll go with the TM branded version. I just think it's cool and rare.

How cool is this bike? https://www.pinkbike.com/news/now-that-was-a-bike-alpinestars-ti-mega-2014.html

Im interested in the KTM because it seems like a great value, if the quality is there. I assume it is. But my local dealer has nothing but negative shit to say about them. I did a little reading and apparently when they first entered the bike market, they were not made in-house but were rebranded. That rep has stuck with them.

Now it seems they are made in Austria and done so in-house. I think. I dont know. Just looking for a more educated opinion.

I'm not a fan of them personally. I have ridden Ridleys for years.

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3/14/2018 1:51 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/14/2018 1:56 PM

ti473 wrote:

why do you need to buy a motorcycle name branded bicycle? is it that you want your fellow cyclists to know that you ride moto too? I don't know, I'm not saying they're good or bad, just that there are so many other choices.

Jabroni wrote:

Because there are tons of good choices, I have the option of having fun with my purchase.

The TM's are not made by TM. They are made by J-EMM (formerly CAAM Corse). They use some pretty cool carbon technology. And I am a carbon whore.

If I have the option of getting a J-EMM or TM, I'll go with the TM branded version. I just think it's cool and rare.

How cool is this bike? https://www.pinkbike.com/news/now-that-was-a-bike-alpinestars-ti-mega-2014.html

Im interested in the KTM because it seems like a great value, if the quality is there. I assume it is. But my local dealer has nothing but negative shit to say about them. I did a little reading and apparently when they first entered the bike market, they were not made in-house but were rebranded. That rep has stuck with them.

Now it seems they are made in Austria and done so in-house. I think. I dont know. Just looking for a more educated opinion.

what exactly do you mean by made in house? like assembled in house?
Nearly all carbon frames are made in China/Taiwan. Low end, high end, open molds, doesn't matter. The same factories usually manufacture frames for many different brands. The difference is in the QC process, the warranty, the distribution network, the marketing and of course the R&D that goes into the proprietary molds. But as far as the actual manufacturing it's mostly done there, because of how labor intensive carbon production is, and we all know where the labor can be had for cheap. That's of course the frame, because this is bicycles we're talking about here, and a bike is basically a frame, as the components are mostly all outsourced.
There are a few companies that produce in house, Allied is one that I can think of in the US, and I am sure that Europe has a few too. J-EMM seem to do so. Italians don't seem to be afraid to work with labor intensive processes, exotic materials, etc, but their prices aren't usually cheap.

http://bike-advisor.com/bicycle-guides/where-has-my-bicycle-been-made.html

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3/14/2018 1:55 PM

Last time I looked at KTM road bikes on the web, my impression was that they look pretty good, but they were heavy. (But KTM doesn't put its name on "junk.")

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F1. MotoGP. MXGP. Screw the rest.

3/14/2018 1:56 PM

To me road bikes lack any personality, so I go with the big brands. Best bang for the buck. With mountain bikes I venture out to the boutique brands.

That being said, I wouldn't buy anything from that "mtbandroad" website. Prices appear to be too good to be true, which usually means they are. Another give away is they claim to stock pretty much every bike from every manufacturer. Wreaks of a scam.


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3/14/2018 2:04 PM

Beeby wrote:

If the pros that spend all day on road bikes training choose to stick to the traditional bike brands, I'd follow suit if I were you. Brands like Trek, Giant and Specialized have year and millions of miles of race pedigree behind their development. I'm not aware of anyone that rides a KTM bike.

I read somewhere that the French National cycling team uses (sponsored) KTM bicycles.

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3/14/2018 2:13 PM

GrapeApe wrote:

To me road bikes lack any personality, so I go with the big brands. Best bang for the buck. With mountain bikes I venture out to the boutique brands.

That being said, I wouldn't buy anything from that "mtbandroad" website. Prices appear to be too good to be true, which usually means they are. Another give away is they claim to stock pretty much every bike from every manufacturer. Wreaks of a scam.


Good eye. I will avoid that vendor. Thx.

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3/14/2018 2:34 PM

they look pretty much 'copy and paste' to me. no real innovations from their side.

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3/14/2018 2:43 PM

I have been riding my 2015 KTM Relevator Elite DI2 for 3 years now, have no complaints.

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All the moving parts that make the big diffrence are from other brands like almost every othe bicycle brand and I think the frame is solid. Also I think it costs a fair bit less than lets say a Giant or Bianchi with exact same components.

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3/14/2018 2:43 PM

Who asked why you would buy a KTM bicycle, so people will know you moto? How ignorant can you be! Of course that’s why anyone of us would buy one. I cut tile with my Husqvarna tile saw, of course it’s not the best but I love looking at the Husky name while I’m working

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3/14/2018 2:45 PM

KennyT wrote:

Who asked why you would buy a KTM bicycle, so people will know you moto? How ignorant can you be! Of course that’s why anyone of us would buy one. I cut tile with my Husqvarna tile saw, of course it’s not the best but I love looking at the Husky name while I’m working

cool story brah

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3/14/2018 2:50 PM

Are these the same as the kids Strider bikes?
The KTM sticker more than doubles the price on the same bike! Much cheaper to just buy the stickers separate.

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3/14/2018 2:56 PM

Jabroni wrote:

Because there are tons of good choices, I have the option of having fun with my purchase.

The TM's are not made by TM. They are made by J-EMM (formerly CAAM Corse). They use some pretty cool carbon technology. And I am a carbon whore.

If I have the option of getting a J-EMM or TM, I'll go with the TM branded version. I just think it's cool and rare.

How cool is this bike? https://www.pinkbike.com/news/now-that-was-a-bike-alpinestars-ti-mega-2014.html

Im interested in the KTM because it seems like a great value, if the quality is there. I assume it is. But my local dealer has nothing but negative shit to say about them. I did a little reading and apparently when they first entered the bike market, they were not made in-house but were rebranded. That rep has stuck with them.

Now it seems they are made in Austria and done so in-house. I think. I dont know. Just looking for a more educated opinion.

I didn't read this whole thread, but the KTM bicylcles are not made by the same company as the dirt bikes. Not sure why you'd expect quality from a KTM, but they are not one in the same anyhow.

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3/14/2018 2:57 PM

mikec265 wrote:

Are these the same as the kids Strider bikes?
The KTM sticker more than doubles the price on the same bike! Much cheaper to just buy the stickers separate.

That's odd. If anything, I'd expect those stickers to bring down the price.

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3/14/2018 3:53 PM

If you're looking for a solid bike, well equiped, with a price that won' hurt your wallet, I might suggest the following:

https://www.canyon.com/en-us/

https://alliedcycleworks.com/ (Actual Made in the USA carbon bike frames and bikes and fully custom as well)

Both give you lots of bang for the buck.



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3/14/2018 3:54 PM

ti473 wrote:

why do you need to buy a motorcycle name branded bicycle? is it that you want your fellow cyclists to know that you ride moto too? I don't know, I'm not saying they're good or bad, just that there are so many other choices.

Jabroni wrote:

Because there are tons of good choices, I have the option of having fun with my purchase.

The TM's are not made by TM. They are made by J-EMM (formerly CAAM Corse). They use some pretty cool carbon technology. And I am a carbon whore.

If I have the option of getting a J-EMM or TM, I'll go with the TM branded version. I just think it's cool and rare.

How cool is this bike? https://www.pinkbike.com/news/now-that-was-a-bike-alpinestars-ti-mega-2014.html

Im interested in the KTM because it seems like a great value, if the quality is there. I assume it is. But my local dealer has nothing but negative shit to say about them. I did a little reading and apparently when they first entered the bike market, they were not made in-house but were rebranded. That rep has stuck with them.

Now it seems they are made in Austria and done so in-house. I think. I dont know. Just looking for a more educated opinion.

ti473 wrote:

what exactly do you mean by made in house? like assembled in house?
Nearly all carbon frames are made in China/Taiwan. Low end, high end, open molds, doesn't matter. The same factories usually manufacture frames for many different brands. The difference is in the QC process, the warranty, the distribution network, the marketing and of course the R&D that goes into the proprietary molds. But as far as the actual manufacturing it's mostly done there, because of how labor intensive carbon production is, and we all know where the labor can be had for cheap. That's of course the frame, because this is bicycles we're talking about here, and a bike is basically a frame, as the components are mostly all outsourced.
There are a few companies that produce in house, Allied is one that I can think of in the US, and I am sure that Europe has a few too. J-EMM seem to do so. Italians don't seem to be afraid to work with labor intensive processes, exotic materials, etc, but their prices aren't usually cheap.

http://bike-advisor.com/bicycle-guides/where-has-my-bicycle-been-made.html

I realize most carbon labor these days is outsourced.

By in-house I meant the design/R&D done by KTM. As opposed to just going to one of the manufacturers in Asia and asking them to slap a sticker on a generic carbon frame like a lot of companies do. I'd also expect "in-house" to mean the bike was assembled in Austria.

In some of their literature they do claim their own carbon making process.

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3/14/2018 3:55 PM

Motocross Kid wrote:

KTM Fahrrad GmbH, which makes the bicycles, has nothing to do with KTM AG, which makes the motorcycles.

In conclusion, this thread is NOT moto-related and should therefore be banished.

ML512 wrote:

It shall stand.

Is that an 'overruled' your honor, sir?!

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3/14/2018 3:56 PM

Kulpa wrote:

I have been riding my 2015 KTM Relevator Elite DI2 for 3 years now, have no complaints.

Photo

All the moving parts that make the big diffrence are from other brands like almost every othe bicycle brand and I think the frame is solid. Also I think it costs a fair bit less than lets say a Giant or Bianchi with exact same components.

Thankyou for your input. This is what I was looking for.

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3/14/2018 4:00 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/14/2018 4:00 PM

9grains wrote:

Certainly some interesting things going on with that KTM, and the price point is intriguing. But I would caution that with bikes, the old adage of "you get what you pay for" is always applicable. While I can't speak to that KTM bike specifically, and I understand $3K+ for a bike doesn't seem cheap to many, they look to be competing with bikes of much higher value, and have included new technologies. These two things would steer me away, personally. There are far too many tried and true options at that price point (and those options have grown substantially over the last few years), and if your budget really is $10K, you're undoubtedly going to be completely disappointed with anything that isn't at or near that level, because there's little comparison. You're just not going to get a $10K bike for under $4K.

I can't say that your shop guy is correct or incorrect, but I can say that a lot of shop guys tend to have major biases. A lot of bikes are made by other brands, and this isn't always a bad thing because some of the bigger guys out there have the capital to invest in adequate quality testing in house, and help to keep price points a bit lower for those frames.

As with any bike purchase, I tell people to check the warranty and ride the bike. Find a demo somewhere nearby. If there isn't one, reach out to the company, but don't spend big bucks on a bike you haven't ridden.

Im not expecting a $10k bike for $4k.

That $10k J-EMM Im interested in would be built with Dura-Ace throughout. It's exotic. And I'd really have to get back into road biking again to justify the purchase.

So Im eyeing the KTM as a stop-gap. And a nice one at that, being that it comes with some pretty nice components. If I only ride a few times a month, then the KTM will be a great bike to serve that purpose.

If I start getting nuts about cycling again, I wont mind then getting the J-EMM and having the KTM as a loaner or backup bike.

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