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In other news, AMA and MXGP riders are on the same level because the earth is flat.
His first race was quite something, he came from some distance back to pass Cooper Webb on the last lap and quite possibly the last corner, but right at the end ( not quite as good as Webb has been doing to Roczen this year)
Grant was 3rd race 1 and 1st race 2
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only races in USA count for a comparison between US and MXGP riders ?
like I said , selective memory is a problem when you want to compare the 2 series ...
take all Tomac his results he raced against MXGP riders , do same for all other riders
there you go .... who has best results ? go figure
• Josh Grant went 3-1 at Glen Helen in 2015, not 1-1. (Romain Febvre went 1-2 and won the overall.)
• Forkner never passed Herlings at Charlotte.
• Herlings went 1-1 the following week at Glen Helen, easily beating Forkner (and Jermey Martin, who looked good in his Honda debut).
• Two weeks after that, Herlings beat Webb at the MXoN (both on 450s).
No need to be butt hurt, Jeffrey's nuts will still be there for you to ride when he heals up.
its not about Herlings, you named his ride at iron man as the equaizer
i didnt mention Herlings in my post , so dont go there .
throw in the other riders if you want a better comparison . Herlings numbers speak for itself , none of current have a better record in races started and finished in MXOn and USGP combined
so lets put Paulin,Cairoli,Febvre,Musquin etc in to that comparison
i mean Tomac beat Paulin at every USGP , but Paulin beat Tomac at MXON how many times ? that gives a better view as to just take results on US tracks and only USGP's ...there was a reason USA didnt win MXON for that many years , it wasnt because they won all those moto's ...
so if you want to compare , take all results and not the ones that suit your outcome ..
Here... I'll explain. First sentence... "It's easy to focus in only on the points someone wants to make". I was giving an example of what it looks like when someone leans heavily only on the positive results of the AMA riders and minimizing the results of the GP riders. I see it daily both ways...
Then in the middle, I said "both sides would win races and it is much closer than most people think". Followed by my opinion the Jeffrey would come out ahead due to his consistency, but only if he starts at 100%. He's not coming from behind in points in the AMA like he can in MXGP.
It wasn't rocket science... I thought you were smarter than that.
The same Cairoli that finished 13th-15th overall the weekend before in Charlotte and was nearly beaten by Nicoletti in one of the motos.
Tomac beat Cairoli in 2016, but a Cairoli that'd barely won more than a handful of GP's in two years!
Herlings and Tomac both have thrown out some jabs and/or replies to things said in the ama vs mxgp/Herlings vs Tomac talk. They're both badasses with egos, so its natural. One thing I have to say though, is that I really respect things Herlings said when vital contacted him to let him know he won the rider of the year award. The dude seemed to go out of his way to emphasise that he spends all of his time training for outdoor motocross where American riders only spend part of their time training for outdoor motocross with majority of it on supercross. That's a reality that plays a part in things. Herlings didn't have to aknowlege that. He just chose to. I respect that. Before that interview with him I didn't like the guy no matter how good he is. Now I have a new found respect. Yeah hes still cocky, but they all are. His words were honorable though, so I just can't hate ole' Jeffrey and I hope to see him in the ama series. I think it would be epic, but I don't think Tomac can handle him. Not over a series. In some races along the way.....sure, but not in enough of them to stop Herlings. It's all a guess, but that's my guess.
You're right, Forkner never passed Herlings at Charlotte. He holeshotted with Herlings right behind him, and walked away from Herlings... even better.... My point still stands. I had it backwards... it was Webb who passed Herlings and then forkner...
You bring up the following week @ glen helen... I guess i should've mentioned this was Forkners ROOKIE year, and Herlings 4th year, 5th year????? not positive.
and the two weeks after that ? Does it matter that Herlings beat webb, when Jason Anderson beat herlings???? and everyone else.
All of my points are still relevant, even if some of the specifics weren't exact.
You're going to mention MXoN when team USA has sent a B squad for the last how many years??? For christs sakes Jason Anderson schooled everyone at maggiora before getting landed on after winning the race. Team USA would have ran away with the win if he hadn't been taken out..AFTER winning.
You have no ground to stand on.
Take all of tomacs results at the GP's ?? OK. 1-1 1-1 1-3 Done. Any other points you want to prove for me?
either way, my point is not to argue that USA/AMA is faster or better. But to argue that NEITHER AMA or GP guys are faster. Some days will go to Herlings, Some will go to Tomac. No other way to shake it.
I get soooooooooooooooooooo tired of hearing how much better and faster GP guys are, when it is simply not true, not by any means. at all. The last handful of times we've met.... US guys have come out on top in all but 2 races. Ironman of 2017.... and then MXdN of redbud was a disaster.....
Point that I've been making is: Neither one is really faster than the other consistently.... There will be races where Eli will dominate, and races where Herlings will dominate.... But one thing for SURE is that it will be one of the most amazing seasons of motocross we will ever witness..... Second to 2006 and 2007 with JS7 and RC4(some of the best races EVER)
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We just missed out winning in 2015 as well.
2015 Motocross of Nations Team Results
1. Team France, 14 points
2. Team USA, 16 points
3. Team Belgium, 56 points
That was with barcia, webb, and martin. Barcia won the first moto, cooper webb fell the second moto and got second, and barcia was 3rd in the 3rd moto.
So we barely missed out in 2015, barely missed out 2016 due to ando getting landed on.... and 2017 we sent cole seely, thomas covington, and osborne..... seely's shock broke in BOTH moto's.... zach osborne went 10-3, and covington was doodoo
Like What are you trying to prove by bringing up MXoN? That even our B squad guys almost win??
and i dont care who is better or what but if you compare results of races from riders you should take all results , and not just the ones that suit your best outcome
just take the results of your so called A members , i dont care if USA won or lost ...its not about the team , we are talking about the riders here ... too complicated for you with your selective memory ??
so look at Tomac , Dungey and Barcia results in MXON on eurotracks ...
for Tomac 1-1 1-1 1-3 and done you said like these are only results from Tomac against MXGP riders ??
hahaha really ... lets put some results from his euro track races and MXON in there and it looks like 16 -2-6-3 and REdbud was 4-7 . Looks a lot less impressive dont ya think ?
its not that difficult , just open that selective memory ...
you said Grant won the USGP ....
I love to watch both Tomac and Herlings, and ofcourse I will always root for Herlings. But come on, the types of arguments some of you guys have are pathetic
- Tomac showed he has elite speed with his GP wins, he also showed that even elite riders can crack under pressure. I saw it with my own eyes at Red Bud. That wasn't the Tomac at 100%. The entire country was watching him and he already had an entire year of pressure with SX, Outdoors, MXON and MEC the week later.
- Herlings wasn't the Herlings I know either, on friday we walked there and he looked ill, tired and not full of energy. Ofcourse he showed some special things, but I've seen him do the extraordinary in Valkenswaard, Lommel and several Dutch races
- Herlings lost to Forkner and Webb yes, he wasn't 100% there either as he just recovered from a broken collarbone and just won his 3th world title after years of injuries.
- Some of the AMA riders didn't have the results they were expected either. Reasons could be injuries, burnouts, pressure, i don't know but 1 bad race doesn't count for me. If you ride yourself you would've know
Some of the USA guys did really good at GP's and it's a good thing for them. I.e Hampshire got contract extension after that amazing performance. Grant showed his elite speed at Glen Helen (he also did that against Dungey and Roczen)
There are so many external factors many of you guys don't consider. It's all for the moment, for one race, every time on a different track. You just can't compare and just enjoy watching AMA vs GP now and then. Remember when Simpson went to Unadilla and got around 4th? Just amazing to watch. I love both series and won't compare either of them. The only thing I absolutely dislike is the fact that some of these riders don't get the respect they deserve. The unstoppable bashing of who's the GOAT, Cairoli or Carmichael and all that bullshit. They are all legends and should be threated that way. Bunch of kids most of you are
We live in a era of greats: RC4, SE72, AC222, JS7, JH84, ET3 and many others, we are lucky to see these guys racing live!!
I think that he will line up at Hangtown if he can get ready for it.
There was also a small video, he said he rather race for a title then day-victories, so racing the AMA is a option.
Ah to late.. Motofinne dropped the link there is also that video
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