Jeffrey Herlings's team manager on Red Bud

They need to go to the JYD school of
Mud riding

Hard to argue with that...I do think if they are in America they should race on an America style track prepped how Americans race it.

Titan1 wrote:

Hard to argue with that...I do think if they are in America they should race on an America style track prepped how Americans race it.

How much more American can you get than Red Bud? If the promoter didn't prepare the track they way they did, with all that rain, they'd still be trying to pull bikes out of the muck. Our guys would have lost in muck too as much as I hate to say that....

Titan1 wrote:

Hard to argue with that...I do think if they are in America they should race on an America style track prepped how Americans race it.

ricky racer wrote:

How much more American can you get than Red Bud? If the promoter didn't prepare the track they way they did, with all that rain, they'd still be trying to pull bikes out of the muck. Our guys would have lost in muck too as much as I hate to say that....

Stop blowing somebodies excuse with facts.

This is interesting and makes perfect sense.
MX means so little to us that we forgot how to set up a bike for it. In reality, the US teams have no time at all available to them to do outdoor setup. SX ends and nationals start two weeks later and you're supposed to have a everything all set for an entirely opposite form of racing? Fat chance. So September rolls around and outdoor season is a faint memory. All eyes on A1. What are we training for? What are testing for now? You bet saturday night freak show pay the bills cross. Essentially, our riders are never fully prepared to compete on an outdoor MX track with each other, nevermind a bunch of dudes who do it year round as a focus.

Who cares if the USA wins the MXDN. The Supercross series is where the money is at and the riders seem to prefer it to outdoor MX so why not follow the money and the fame and concentrate on SX

Titan1 wrote:

Hard to argue with that...I do think if they are in America they should race on an America style track prepped how Americans race it.

ricky racer wrote:

How much more American can you get than Red Bud? If the promoter didn't prepare the track they way they did, with all that rain, they'd still be trying to pull bikes out of the muck. Our guys would have lost in muck too as much as I hate to say that....

Not a reason we lost...we’d of got smoked on anything but a full blown supercross track. I’d just like to see them race an American style track (prep wise) in a america (and not talking about red bud this year). The FIM does things different than AMA...in America let everyone race an ama prepped track.

i doubt they would have a tough time racing an ama track, just look at herlings racing ironman, he beat everyone twice came from dead last the second time, i love america, but that mechanic is correct, we think we know how to setup a bike but when you watch footage of the mx gp especially the latest one where herlings cleaned out cairoly those bikes were dialed, prados bikes are dialed, i beleive the money is in mxgp not supercross.

Titan1 wrote:

Hard to argue with that...I do think if they are in America they should race on an America style track prepped how Americans race it.

ricky racer wrote:

How much more American can you get than Red Bud? If the promoter didn't prepare the track they way they did, with all that rain, they'd still be trying to pull bikes out of the muck. Our guys would have lost in muck too as much as I hate to say that....

Anyone remember the parking lot ? Yea they had a race. That was fun to watch. Did a great job.

They were pulling poles outta the ground
To get people out of lot A1. Poles! Road dividers outta
The damn ground!!!

That’s as American as you get.

Prado and coldenoff were literally floating across the surface. Smooth as butter on hot cornbread . They had the set up. Everyone else was fighting the shit out of every breaking bump and roller.

Titan1 wrote:

Hard to argue with that...I do think if they are in America they should race on an America style track prepped how Americans race it.

It was prepped for Americans, but when you have 38 euros and 2 Americans on the track at one time, guess which race line develops......

Those damn Americans and their shitty bike setup!

He's 100% correct. People said it about RV before he even lined up at his first GP. I also remember in an intervoew Dungey saying that his bike set up was so far off that he was in left field.

American prepared tracks? You people remember Herlings at Ironman right?

I still can’t believe the GP riders are winning all of our nationals...we suck...dafuq

It is a great comment about how the sport evolves and how the bikes are adapted to each environment.

But the little critic on Dungey is also not super nice, because you don't change the rider style and half of the bike on race day, it is a longer process to make the rider feel 1 with the bike.

Question wrote:
It is a great comment about how the sport evolves and how the bikes are adapted to each environment.

But the little critic on Dungey is also not super nice, because you don't change the rider style and half of the bike on race day, it is a longer process to make the rider feel 1 with the bike.

I agree. Even had the American team changed bike setup to MXGP settings, would it have changed anything? Probably not. The feel would probably feel so foreign, the riders wouldn’t be able to ride with any confidence. I would think it would take a lot of riding time to adjust.

There is a fine line between a good setup and a great setup. Hours and days can be used up searching for the tiny little difference. The Euros have got it nailed and can adapt quickly as they do MX year round.

I do agree that the US is a little behind in certain area pertaining to MX.

Awesome . It's been what almost a week since there's been a new thread about the mxdn ? I was getting worried.

Beeby wrote:

American prepared tracks? You people remember Herlings at Ironman right?

selective memories rule at Vital

Titan1 wrote:

Hard to argue with that...I do think if they are in America they should race on an America style track prepped how Americans race it.

Rotaholic wrote:

It was prepped for Americans, but when you have 38 euros and 2 Americans on the track at one time, guess which race line develops......

Exactly. That's one thing may guys forget. I think I heard Reed or someone else say that after an mxdn race.
Euros ride differently. The ruts and lines in general Form completely differently to what Americans are used to, no matter the track conditions

So essentially, the sport that elevated our skills, polished our technique, raised the bar of performance, is now our worst enemy. Reminds me of the saying "what comes around goes around".

Euro flow. The track is ridden (line selection) more like a road course, whereas the Mericans have a point and shoot style technique. We need to open some of our tracks up a little more and get rid of the 180deg jump, 180deg jump, 180 deg jump style that has plagued us over the last decade. And screw the fly 150, glen helen booters.

lostboy819 wrote:

Who cares if the USA wins the MXDN. The Supercross series is where the money is at and the riders seem to prefer it to outdoor MX so why not follow the money and the fame and concentrate on SX

National pride means more than money.

Grubel is kind of funny to me, Prado went with De Carli and said that De Carli helped him a lot in the configuration of the bike.
Why did not MXLARGE ask Grubel that?
Journalists are sometimes very friendly, too

Frank wrote:

National pride means more than money.

Exactly!! I personally could care a less about the money of supercross when the real racing starts when the mxgp season starts and our nationals!! Certainly looks like we need to be running more outdoors and less of the circus shows and if people are cool with what happened at red budd then I guess money is what drives everyone now a days!!

That’s the real answer. I’ve gone to about 5 or 6 MXdN since 1980. When the Americans won 13 times in a row, I never heard “It was an American style track”, or “The Americans are Supercross specialists, who cares if they beat us at motocross”. European riders kicked our ass, embrace it, and change.

peltier626 wrote:

Euro flow. The track is ridden (line selection) more like a road course, whereas the Mericans have a point and shoot style technique. We need to open some of our tracks up a little more and get rid of the 180deg jump, 180deg jump, 180 deg jump style that has plagued us over the last decade. And screw the fly 150, glen helen booters.

Would be personally interesting to ride a few euro tracks and compare the lines and flow to our local us tracks.

It all kinda makes you wonder what the future will look like, doesn't it? With "Supercross Futures" providing upcoming young racers the opportunity to put even more emphasis on the art of indoor stadium racing (and let's be honest - it is, indeed, a very specialized 'art'), will there eventually come a time when outdoor motocross becomes viewed by Americans as just some silly thing the rest of the world does? Because one thing now appears clear - you can rule one or you can rule the other, but the days of ruling BOTH......... are gone.

I’m not saying Europeans can’t ride supercross, but they certainly haven’t showed us that they can either. We can ride motocross and be competitive on the world stage. We’ve proven that many many times over the years. Last year was the exception not the benchmark. Those guys were a lot faster but the year prior our “B team” as many called it, were competitive with those same euros.

People had too much faith in ET and when it came crashing down everyone had this knee jerk reaction that has perpetuated. It was one race. ET finished near the same place in A1 that he did in MXDN by the numbers. Is that indicative of his ability? No. Neither was one wet offseason race.