Jeffrey Herlings GOAT status?

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7/10/2018 9:50 AM

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Jeffrey Herlings, 23 years and 10 months on thursday.

As of right now...

Nationally
Open Dutch Championship MX2 2009; 3rd place
Open Dutch Championship MX2 2010; Runner-up
Open Dutch Championship MX2 2011; Champion
Open Dutch Championship MX2 2012; Champion
Open Dutch Championship MX2 2013; Champion
Open Dutch Championship MX2 2014; 4th place (Missed the first two rounds)
Open Dutch Championship MX2 2015, 18th place (Only entered one round)
Dutch Masters 2016 MX2; Champion
Dutch Masters 2017 MX1; Champion
Dutch Masters 2018 MX1; Leading

Internationally
2009 EMX2 Motocross European Championship, Runner-up
2010 MX2 World Championship; 6th place
2011 MX2 World Championship; Runner-up
2012 MX2 World Championship; Champion
2013 MX2 World Championship; Champion
2014 MX2 World Championship; Runner-up
2015 MX2 World Championship; 7th place
2016 MX2 World Championship; Champion
2017 MXGP World Championship; Runner-up
2018 MXGP World Championship; Leading

128 GP starts
77 GP wins
60 double moto GP wins
103 podiums (77-23-3)
150 moto wins
212 top three finishes
89 red plates
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7/10/2018 9:52 AM

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7/10/2018 9:52 AM

In my mind he’d need to cross the Atlantic and replicate the same results before he could be considered for GOAT status.

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7/10/2018 9:55 AM

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7/10/2018 9:55 AM
Edited Date/Time: 7/10/2018 9:56 AM

Before a 10 pager starts... can we just agree that there's always going to be an US based GOAT and a GP GOAT?? Just like RC & Everts..

Impossible to compare the two since the series aren't the same (SX & Nationals vs GP series only)

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Positively, absolutely 110% obsessed with anything MOTO.

7/10/2018 9:56 AM

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7/10/2018 9:57 AM

Gone fishing much? Ok, I'll bite. How can you even ask such a question. How many MXGP championships does he have? Ah yes, that's right... a big fat ZERO. Come back and ask this same question in 10 years. All that Dutch crap and MX2 doesn't mean crapolla with respect to GOAT status.

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7/10/2018 9:58 AM

He hasn’t won a premier class championship and you want to hand him GOAT status?

Uh, no. Not even close. RC and Everts Own that.

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“Let the Good Times Roll”

7/10/2018 10:05 AM

Goat? Lmao delusional dutch fans are the best

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KX125

7/10/2018 10:07 AM

He could be GP GOAT but he has a long way to go. I don't think anyone will ever eclipse Carmichael as the overall GOAT.

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7/10/2018 10:11 AM

I think by the end of his career he could be the best GP rider of all time. Once Cairoli retires, I can't see anybody but Gajser and Prado keeping up with Herlings.

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7/10/2018 10:12 AM

The GOAT for Dutch MXers at this point. Give him a few 450 championships, lay waste to the Nationals for a season or 2, at least one undefeated season, then maybe we can talk and add an asterisk as GOAT for outdoors.

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vomiting equals disqualification.

7/10/2018 10:13 AM
Edited Date/Time: 7/10/2018 10:28 AM

Eighty4 wrote: Photo

Jeffrey Herlings, 23 years and 10 months on thursday.

As of right now...

Nationally
Open Dutch Championship MX2 2009; 3rd ...more

LOL

Get back to me when has has more premier class wins and titles that Everts....Once he has a better resume than Everts-who RC handled the vast majority of the times they raced-then we can start having a discussion about GOAT.

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7/10/2018 10:16 AM

HusqFan3 wrote:

In my mind he’d need to cross the Atlantic and replicate the same results before he could be considered for GOAT status.

Exactly....all the MX2 titles he has when he clearly was head and shoulders better than the guys in that class. To even talk about him being GOAT'able is ridiculous. Tim Gajser won the MX2 world title then moved to MX1 and won that his first year in the class, he didn't stay down in 250's and clean house when he could have. He moved up. Herlings is bad but this post needs to go away.

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7/10/2018 10:18 AM

HusqFan3 wrote:

In my mind he’d need to cross the Atlantic and replicate the same results before he could be considered for GOAT status.

If you were making this comment 5+ years ago I think everyone would agree...today not so much true.

After what he did at Ironman last year, he does not need to come here full time to prove anything..

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7/10/2018 10:19 AM

Eighty4 wrote: Photo

Jeffrey Herlings, 23 years and 10 months on thursday.

As of right now...

Nationally
Open Dutch Championship MX2 2009; 3rd ...more

Nice research -- I'll take nothing from him, that's a hell of a resume' however it's too early to have a G.O.A.T. talk about him.

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7/10/2018 10:21 AM

Welcome to Vital, Jeffrey, it’s an honour to have you here, and thanks for taking time out of your schedule, to grace us with your presence. Will you be threatening any more riders, like you did Tonus, or have you had a cranialrectumoscopy?

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7/10/2018 10:36 AM

HusqFan3 wrote:

In my mind he’d need to cross the Atlantic and replicate the same results before he could be considered for GOAT status.

Ironman?

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“If you don’t crash alot, you just ain’t going fast enough” Chandler

7/10/2018 10:45 AM

He doesn't even have the most historic career of the guys currently racing his series (Cairoli). Let alone all time (Everts).

Also RC is the only true GOAT.
Murcia, Bush Light, Copenhagen, tits, eating ass, and Ford trucks are the only things that rival his greatness.

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2018 CRF250R

7/10/2018 10:47 AM

JH:

128 GP starts
77 GP wins

RC:

127 National starts
102 National wins

Jeffrey is on fire, and amazing, but Carmichael's stats (including ten straight titles) will never be matched or bettered.

DC
Racer X

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7/10/2018 10:51 AM

Eighty4 wrote: Photo

Jeffrey Herlings, 23 years and 10 months on thursday.

As of right now...

Nationally
Open Dutch Championship MX2 2009; 3rd ...more

Umm hell no not even close. I respect him & the dude has tons of talent. But IMO he has had way to many injuries. He spent like 6 years in the MX2 class & won 3 titles. To be the goat you have to win more than that. RC was like what 25 when he retired? Sure he can be the MXGP goat, but he has along way to overthrow Everts. JH is another JS, fast as hell but to many yards sales.

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7/10/2018 10:56 AM

DC wrote:

JH:

128 GP starts
77 GP wins

RC:

127 National starts
102 National wins

Jeffrey is on fire, and amazing, but Carmichael's ...more

How can you compare national wins to World Championship wins...

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7/10/2018 11:02 AM

DC wrote:

JH:

128 GP starts
77 GP wins

RC:

127 National starts
102 National wins

Jeffrey is on fire, and amazing, but Carmichael's ...more

tek14 wrote:

How can you compare national wins to World Championship wins...

How can you not?

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vomiting equals disqualification.

7/10/2018 11:03 AM

DC wrote:

JH:

128 GP starts
77 GP wins

RC:

127 National starts
102 National wins

Jeffrey is on fire, and amazing, but Carmichael's ...more

tek14 wrote:

How can you compare national wins to World Championship wins...

i'd argue that "world" is still smaller than the US. lol. so yes...davey is correct.

we had 90 entries for 450's this weekend...how many did the "world championship" have?

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7/10/2018 11:17 AM

How can you compare national wins to World Championship wins...

The same way you do with supercross.

Huge fan of Herlings, please don't think I mean any disrespect. Carmichael simply had astonishing numbers and winning percentages (like 100% titles outdoors).

DC

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7/10/2018 11:19 AM

DC wrote:

JH:

128 GP starts
77 GP wins

RC:

127 National starts
102 National wins

Jeffrey is on fire, and amazing, but Carmichael's ...more

tek14 wrote:

How can you compare national wins to World Championship wins...

dboivin wrote:

i'd argue that "world" is still smaller than the US. lol. so yes...davey is correct.

we had 90 entries for 450's this ...more

Not to mention that historically, europeans and australians come to the US to race the best of the best. Both US series are world series. Germany, france, australia, south americans & more all race in it. To say its not a world series makes no sense.

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7/10/2018 11:23 AM

I think part of Being the GOAT is doing it year in year out in the PREMIER class. If he can do this a few more years in MXGP then I think that this convo can be had. I don't think consistency and titles in the mx2 to class are comparable to consistency and championships in the premier class. That is my personal opinion though.

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Greg D.
2018 yz250f

7/10/2018 11:23 AM

tek14 wrote:

How can you compare national wins to World Championship wins...

dboivin wrote:

i'd argue that "world" is still smaller than the US. lol. so yes...davey is correct.

we had 90 entries for 450's this ...more

kb228 wrote:

Not to mention that historically, europeans and australians come to the US to race the best of the best. Both US series are ...more

don't leave out Japan. that dude got some good coverage this past weekend. smile

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7/10/2018 11:25 AM

Lol at this...I want to first say that Herlings is a bad dude and I give him all the props in the world.

Lol @ the Dutch stats...that's like saying John Dowd is the GOAT because he won 250A titles in the NESC.

Lol @ the Ironman National performance. Yes Herlings dominated. Does one race mean you're better than every US motocross racer on that gate or ever? No. Cooper Webb dominated the Charlotte MXGP in the 250 class, is he a goat contender? No. Herlings came over in a no pressure situation to face three guys who's heads were about to implode, its not the same.

I personally don't think he needs to come to the US to become the GOAT, he needs to dominate every championship he enters for 10 years proving he's better than the top rider from every generation before him and sets a precedence that can't be touched by the riders after him...as Carmichael did.

What I don't understand is how does he jump Everts or AC222 in the hierarchy of goats? Ok so back to the real argument...is it Everts or RC? Didn't Everts show up to RC's final SX race in 2007?

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7/10/2018 11:35 AM

tek14 wrote:

How can you compare national wins to World Championship wins...

dboivin wrote:

i'd argue that "world" is still smaller than the US. lol. so yes...davey is correct.

we had 90 entries for 450's this ...more

kb228 wrote:

Not to mention that historically, europeans and australians come to the US to race the best of the best. Both US series are ...more


What the hell entries having to do with series credibility? We have like 200 enries in the nationals for 450's. It must be one helluva championship. Like ranked nr 1 in the world. Or F1. It must be some Miki Mouse playground. Just 20 guys behind the gate every race, what a joke joke
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