James Stewarts "win or crash" record..

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12/2/2010 12:32 PM
Edited Date/Time: 12/2/2010 12:33 PM

Went from 2005 til Seattle 09.

The only other races he lost other than that without crashing was Vegas (he didn't need to win to get the championship).

And A2 2010, but for god sakes he had a broken wrist thats extremely painful to ride with even once its healed!

Do you still think he'll "continue" this record? or will RV, Dungey, Canard, Kdub, Reed beat him straight up.

Discuss.

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12/2/2010 12:56 PM

I think going into 2011 with there being alot more riders in contention for the win, a bad start could be more costly than in years past. But also at the beginning of this year, Dungey proved that it is possible to challenge Stewart but also there was the speculation of Stewart's problems at A1.

I think this year Reed, Villopoto, Dungey, Weimer, Canard, Grant, Windham and co are going to prove that Supercross isn't just about Stewart anymore.

It's gonna be great.

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12/2/2010 12:57 PM

all stewarts losses were straight up. They all started at the same time, he didnt win.

That being said i expect to see more races from him like unadilla moto 1. He was fast but not the fastest.

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12/2/2010 1:00 PM

If Bubba doesnt get hurt he will KILL. No one will have his speed. He will work KDub easily. RV and Dungey will hold him off for some laps. i dont think canard and grant are gonna have the success that most people think they will.

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12/2/2010 1:02 PM

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12/2/2010 1:03 PM

Thelen20 wrote:

all stewarts losses were straight up. They all started at the same time, he didnt win.

That being said i expect to see more ...more

I think your exactly right with that....part of the game is to not Crash and that's been Stewart's biggest weakness.

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12/2/2010 1:04 PM

A1-James Stewart, Phoenix-Reed, LA-RV, Oakland- RV, A2-Canard, Houston-RD, San Diego- KDub, ATL- Grant, Daytona-RV, INDY- RD, Jax-Toronto-Texas-St. louis- JS7- The final 3 Reed and he wins the title by being the most consistent. Just a random guess on how I think things MIGHT go.

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12/2/2010 1:05 PM

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12/2/2010 1:06 PM

If he stays healthy and has that bike set up right, nobody has a chance......if 377 was racing he would get 2nd.....

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12/2/2010 1:07 PM

NeWskoolmxer wrote:

A1-James Stewart, Phoenix-Reed, LA-RV, Oakland- RV, A2-Canard, Houston-RD, San Diego- KDub, ATL- Grant, Daytona-RV, INDY- RD, ...more

I think you`re way of about Indywhistling tongue

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12/2/2010 1:11 PM

That record was a Ralph Shaheen crock of shit. I saw RC run down a fading Stewart and blow by him with a few laps to go, Vancouver '07. Stewart never hit the ground.

It's just an indication of James' approach to racing - win or crash. I suspect he's quite tired of not finishing seasons, plus he's a little older now. I think you'll see him take what he can get a little more often now.

I love watching James and I think he will win this year if he rides smart.

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12/2/2010 2:28 PM

Feels like years since we've seen Bubba Race. I'm guessing a bit rusty out of the gate & without injury he'll be winning by the 3rd or 4th round. RV will come on late in the series like he always does & give him some good competition mid season. I think the first few rounds will be up for grabs, if Dungey wins right off the batt & keeps his confidence going, he could blow holes in everyones plans.

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12/2/2010 2:34 PM

James never has lost a race because of his speed...

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12/2/2010 2:40 PM

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12/2/2010 2:47 PM

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12/2/2010 4:24 PM


I hate this topic, to me it's irrelevant !! What matters in this sport is CHAMPIONSHIPS. If he learned to back it down just a tad now and again and didn't try to win every lap, I think he would have won every indoor championship he has competed in.

That said, I think RV lays down the PAIN in 2011, indoors and out, James or no James.
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12/2/2010 4:25 PM

You do realize that's a bullshit record because anyone can crash anytime they feel like crashing.

Stewart lost to RC many times straight up. And always lost where it counts the most, the championship.

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12/2/2010 5:08 PM
Edited Date/Time: 12/2/2010 5:13 PM

this is such BS! bubbs missed one SX season from a little tip over outdoors that screwed up his knee, RV anyone? RC, he missed an SX season for the same reason.
And Yes he made a mistake last year,in traffic no less, which every one has done, hes used to being in front and made the mistake of scrubing in traffic, omg, he made a mistake! in a season were god knows how many top riders made mistakes and were out of the series! Why is he singled out, when you have Shorty with ZERO wins or Reed who has the record for most second places in SX! I much more respect a guy who hates to lose and goes Balls out,, remind you of anyone who was respected for his checkers or wreckers attitude as well? Bob Hannah!!

And another thing, how does a guy who apparently crashs so much hold the record for most 125 career wins?, and a perfect season on a 450!!! The only other doood in HISTORY other than the GOAT to complete a freaking perfect season!!!!!! Pretty damm good for a guy who rides faster than anyone else!



Would anyone here really respect Chad Reed if he won an SX title with only 2nd place wins?

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12/2/2010 6:04 PM

Karma wrote:

this is such BS! bubbs missed one SX season from a little tip over outdoors that screwed up his knee, RV anyone? RC, he missed ...more

to answer your last question.. fucken oath i would
wait what is a 2nd place win?

anyway if you end up with the most points at the end of a season you deserve the title no ifs ands or buts definately no faaarken asterisks

oh and are you R-acer?

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12/2/2010 6:14 PM

jemcee wrote:

to answer your last question.. fucken oath i would
wait what is a 2nd place win?

anyway if you end up with the most points ...more

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12/2/2010 7:10 PM

well thanks for your answer...to each his own, 2nd place finish I meant...regardless CR hasn't beat JS for a SX title with 2nds or wins.

R-acer? no always been Karma,

cheers.

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12/2/2010 7:45 PM

A lot of misinformation in this thread. wink
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12/2/2010 7:49 PM

i wonder, i just wonder if James has lost any speed....

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12/2/2010 8:17 PM
Edited Date/Time: 12/2/2010 8:19 PM

2005 James,had a bad crash in Phoenix (practice),missed half of the season.

1 4 Ricky Carmichael Havana, FL 367 20 25 25 25 25 25 22 25 25 22 22 22 22 20 20 22
2 22 Chad Reed Dade City, FL 342 5 20 22 22 22 22 25 22 22 25 25 20 25 18 22 25
3 14 Kevin W Windham Centreville, MS 284 25 22 20 12 1 20 16 20 20 16 18 14 20 22 18 20
4 12 David Vuillemin Corona, CA 245 14 13 4 18 18 16 18 13 18 18 16 15 15 15 16 18
5 5 Mike Larocco Corona, CA 229 22 6 18 20 15 18 20 16 14 20 12 16 16 16 - -
6 24 Ernesto Fonseca Murrieta, CA 198 12 18 12 16 16 15 4 15 15 14 13 10 11 4 15 8
7 103 Sebastien Tortelli Lake Elsinore, CA 176 18 15 14 10 8 14 15 18 16 1 15 18 2 5 7 -
8 13 Heath D Voss Mico, TX 160 10 16 11 14 4 13 13 14 - - - 13 14 12 10 16
9 70 Travis A Preston Hesperia, CA 130 - - - - 13 10 12 8 10 15 6 12 13 14 2 15
10 259 James M Stewart Haines City, FL 129 16 - - - - - - - - - 20 25 18 25 25 -


2006

Remember the fuel fiasco.
The AMA took away Ricky's points and the FIM
wanted to give them back.The Ama gave them back to Ricky.
They didn't want to have Ricky as the FIM champ & James as the AMA champ.

1 4 Ricky Carmichael Havana, FL 338 20 25 25 22 25 22 1 25 25 25 22 22 22 15 20 22
2 7 James M Stewart Haines City, FL 336 25 20 20 25 13 25 4 20 22 15 25 25 25 22 25 25





2007

James has 1 bad race in Sandiego.
On the podium at every other race.

1 7 James M Stewart Haines City, FL 385 25 25 25 22 25 25 16 25 22 25 25 25 25 25 25 25




2008
James would end up 23rd in points.
Left the season early to get his knee fixed.

23 7 James M. Stewart Haines City, FL 47 22 25



2009
Wins the championship.Has a bad race at A1.
Also Daytona wasn't good to him that year.
Still wins the championship
1 7 James M. Stewart Haines City, FL 377 2 25 25 25 25 25 25 25 22 14 25 22 25 25 22 25 20


2010
Wins round 1
Bad race in Phoenix.
Races A2 scores 20 points and pulls out for the rest of the season.

20 1 James M Stewart Haines City, FL 51 25 6 20



3 incomplete seasons since on the big bike in SX

2 Championships (IMO should have been 3 if it wasn't for FIM & AMA politics)
1 Runner up.

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12/2/2010 8:19 PM

His win or crash record is so high because he's missed half his seasons in the 450 class!!!

2005 = crash out
2006 = made it to vegas
2007 = made it to vegas
2008 = crash out
2009 = made it to vegas
2010 = crash out

He has a 50% chance of making it to Vegas based on the past 6 seasons.

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12/2/2010 8:21 PM

So , from that summary.....he has 2 championships in 6 years.....going for his 7th season on the big bikes , and 10 years as a pro.

2 championships in 6 years is 33% win.........which means his stock has plummeted even further.....it used to be a 50% chance he would at least finish the season.

Either......I hope he does good this year. He got a couple vets who are gonna be on the gas....and a bunch of young guys out to prove something.

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12/2/2010 8:26 PM

And if he makes it to Vegas he still might crash out remember 2003!!!
But if at A1 if he kills everyone, how suprised would you be?

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12/2/2010 8:46 PM
Edited Date/Time: 12/2/2010 8:54 PM

Prince1 wrote:

And if he makes it to Vegas he still might crash out remember 2003!!!
But if at A1 if he kills everyone, how suprised would ...more

Yes I remember 2003,very well,that was at the shoot-out.
I think he crashed over the finish line jump and snapped his collar bone in 2 places.
He still however won the SX championship that year (125 West),he won every race except A1 which i think he got 2nd at (Preston won that night).James won the championship that year by 59 points.

Something also happened in 2005 also,he scored no points in Vegas,that one slips my mind.I do know he won the previous week in Houston though.

Edit: Just looked up results,shows a DNf for Heat race 2 that night,DNS for the rest of the night for him.

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12/4/2010 8:00 AM

TripleFive wrote:

James never has lost a race because of his speed...

You mean, AFTER RC retired. That word "never" was kind of your undoing there. Oh, and what about Unadilla 2010? Again, "never" being problematic.

If you get technical though, every race he lost due to crashes is a speed issue. You can't be speedy while laying on the ground. The laptimes don't lie.

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