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As for the ratings I was talking about: pretty sure that info is in the owners manual...I'll go check on-line...
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KRAYNIAL
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Posted April 15, 2019 (edited)
FYI, there is no motorcycle manufacturer on the planet that has approved the used of Rotella T4 or T6 in their motorcycles. There is a reason for this.......
Use any A.P.I., SH/SG, JASO MA rated oils (shared motor clutch) or MB rated (motor side only) of the suggested viscosity in your owners manual.
You have three basic oil choices:
1. Un-grouped (unknown absolute origin of the petroleum oil) like Rotella regular
2. Group 3 oils (ultra refined petroleum oil) like Mobil-1 domestic, Rotella T6, etc. These are not actual synthetic oils, even though it says 'synthetic' on the label. That's because the oil lobby got the definition changed in 2011. They handle heat cycles better than Group 1/2 oils
3. Group 4 oils (actual synthetic oil, and it will say 'ester' somewhere on the label). These oils handle heat cycles typically 10x better than the above oils. Oils like Motul 300T, Motul 7000, Mobil-1 "European Formula", Golden Spectro SX4, Amsoil, BelRay EXS, etc.
There is no difference in 'lubrication' of any of the above oils, more or less, UNTIL the first heat cycle. Then the problems start. The oil breaks down and stops doing it's job. When will this happen ? Well, you can go to the Amsoil website and they will show you which oils do what (but they won't show Shell, as they do not want to be sued.....). Rule of thumb is group 3 oils can do 5 heat cycles before they are done. Group 4 can do over 20, and up to 100 depending on conditions.
If you ride HARD, and beat the crap out of your motor, Group 4 oils will typically prevent damage due to oil breakdown. Every Dakar Team, Every Baja team, every F1 team uses Group 4 and Group 5 oils for this reason.
If you don't ride hard and abuse your motor and clutch, then you just plain don't need it.
Regardless, change your oil OFTEN, like every 10-15 hours. DIRT is the big enemy, not oil brand. Even the very best oil in the world is useless in a dirtbike that has been ridden for 20 hours. It's too dirty to be of any use but to wear out your motor.
Bottom line: it's cheaper for me to run conventional than run high dollar synthetic and change at he same interval.
I run a lot of the cool-guy oils & my filters get changed pretty damn often; but, I -TRY- to -NOT- change my oil too often...that's just a waste. My engine just hit 100 hours; so, I guess I'll find out!
Some of these 1 gallon or 5 litre bottles I've seen at WalMart and other inexpensive options DO meet the requirements and they save money.
That's a good thing.
Also, guys that go riding at the track for a day and then toss out their oil and filter? Well, that ain't how I do it. The last time I changed my oil filter after "1 ride"? Well, that was after the "2-Day Mystery 250" in Nevada...which I rode on my SXF!
That's what you got?
Classic
"There's ALL SORTS of good oil to be had out there. Some costs more than others."
That's what's being discussed here.
Now, if you go and look at a KTM manual from just a few years ago? Well, it's recommending oil you can buy at WalMart. So, there's always that.
Pit Row
Seems like I pay about $8/quart for Maxima ProPlus.
Is it a big savings to use something else?
I'm changing oil every 10 and oil/filter every 20. 168 hours on my KTM 500 and never even adjusted the valves.
Some guy said he had 500 hours on his 350 with the original engine never opened!
Oil brand he used was rotella and that is the oil I have been using as well for over 15 years with great success T6.
Yes I know they changed it with less Zinc, but have not noticed anything different.
I change my oil on my 16 350XCFW every 10 hrs and use the SS reusable Tusk filter.
140 hrs on stock engine.
Motorcycle formulation oils includes additives so transmission and clutch do not grind the oil breaking down molecular construction
When someone blows up a 4 stroke I always ask them what oil they were running. For some reason they always decline to answer. Wonder why?
Hammer
Hammer
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