Is this how Roger really sees things?

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10/21/2020 12:55 PM

From the Pulp column: http://pulpmx.com/2020/10/20/what-people-are-saying/

TOPIC: What is going on with the Troy Lee Designs/Red Bull KTM, now Gas Gas, team? What’s the problem over there?

INDUSTRY GUY: Honestly, it seems like it’s pass the buck a little bit. They don’t have the ability to do whatever they want. If they want to cut their subframe 12 millimeters, they can’t just do that. Everything runs through KTM, through Ian (Harrison), through Roger. When things don’t pan out, I think it’s Roger that is kind of like… Honestly, I would just say it starts from the top. It’s not Robert Jones. It’s Roger. He’s putting the brakes on a lot of things just based on how he feels. I firmly believe he wants orange to be one, white to be two, and red to be three, and that should not be the thinking with somebody in his shirt. That should not be the thinking.

RIDER: For instance, when they were going for Barcia, Roger and Ian were pushing for Savatgy. Gas Gas kept going, why? That was when Justin was winning a race. Everybody thought that, “Well, if they get Barcia, maybe Barcia beats us and it looks bad at KTM.” That’s Roger’s thinking. And he doesn’t want them to beat him. So Joey, he’s not threatened by Joey. So he was like, we’ll just put him over there. It was like, Gas Gas is doing okay, but they’re not great. So that was a big talking point.

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10/21/2020 1:00 PM

I'll be right back.
I have to go make some popcorn.

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I ripped a start from Egypt and I was happy about that.

10/21/2020 1:04 PM

Team pecking orders? Didn't work so well for stopping Husqvarna did it?

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10/21/2020 2:06 PM
Edited Date/Time: 10/21/2020 2:08 PM

I’ll give Roger Decoster the benefit of the doubt here.
It’s all just speculation anyway. He put KTM on the podium here in USA.

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10/21/2020 2:14 PM

Johnny Depp wrote:

Team pecking orders? Didn't work so well for stopping Husqvarna did it?

I'm thinking Title Sponsors have a part to play in that, too (Who -specifically- the riders are and how many riders there are on certain teams).

How many Factory Teams have 3 450 riders?
How many Factory Teams have 250 riders?

These answers change in 2021...for those that're are following the "musical chairs" of The Silly Season smile

My count has 1 Factory Team with 3 450 riders & 4 Factory Teams with 250 riders...in 2021.

Factory Team = Owned and operated by the Factory.

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I ripped a start from Egypt and I was happy about that.

10/21/2020 2:15 PM

If DeCoster is so afraid of KTM getting beat, why does he keep Musquin year after year?

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10/21/2020 2:17 PM

Glad this happened instead of some BS politics.

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10/21/2020 2:18 PM
Edited Date/Time: 10/21/2020 2:19 PM

I find it hard to believe Roger gives a flip as long the bike taking the checkered flag is under his/their tent. Its all his empire.

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10/21/2020 2:18 PM

sounds like budget. who remembers pre-roger, kelly smiths mechanic getting fired for changing suspension shims? (he has a suspenion co). I also heard in the roger suzuki days they would change a riders shock before a heat or main , and the rider was not too excited about that. maybe why some riders do better as privateers?

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10/21/2020 2:30 PM

When does Hewitt's NDA expire?

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10/21/2020 2:31 PM
Edited Date/Time: 10/21/2020 4:11 PM

Barcia is faster than Webb? That's news to me. Barcia is faster than Osborne? That, too, is news to me.

Roger's actions/motivations/abilities being questioned despite him, his teams, and his riders, winning one championship after another? That is most definitely NOT news to me, as it's been going on since he was on a twin-pipe CZ.

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10/21/2020 2:32 PM

ZOBITO wrote:

If DeCoster is so afraid of KTM getting beat, why does he keep Musquin year after year?

This -zero ROI with MM. LOL.

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10/21/2020 2:46 PM

Sounds like some low level guy that isn't invited to the KTM meetings and has no idea why decisions are being made.

And even if it is completely true, this is Roger's prerogative based on the professional judgement that KTM pays him for.

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10/21/2020 3:44 PM

If its the way Roger really sees things then I would do it that way, cant argue with success. cool

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10/21/2020 3:46 PM

ktmfun219 wrote:

This -zero ROI with MM. LOL.

Maybe MM25 is tax deductible?
wink

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10/21/2020 3:56 PM

TogaSet wrote:

I’ll give Roger Decoster the benefit of the doubt here.
It’s all just speculation anyway. He put KTM on the podium here in USA.

Yes I would second that.

DeCoster has lots of credibility and his track record speaks for itself. Every team he has taken over has turned in to a powerhouse. If someone else disagrees with him then just compare track records.

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10/21/2020 4:02 PM

Unless they make him run with flat tires, Barcia is going to kill it on the new GASGAS. Barcia is a huge win for KTM/GasGas ... IMO, of course. smile

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10/21/2020 4:18 PM

ZOBITO wrote:

If DeCoster is so afraid of KTM getting beat, why does he keep Musquin year after year?

ask him.

https://www.instagram.com/realrogerdecoster/?hl=en

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10/21/2020 4:27 PM

ZOBITO wrote:

If DeCoster is so afraid of KTM getting beat, why does he keep Musquin year after year?

ktmfun219 wrote:

This -zero ROI with MM. LOL.


I will bring some popcorn too so fortunately you don't work as team manager or in a marketing department wink

Musquin with his Dungey-like clean cut and nice style is selling, and selling well globally ; France is quite like the california of europe in term of market, we have the most tracks too, come to a race and you will see an orange wave.

Yes no 450 title but there is only 1 winner and being top 20 in the all-time points, with 7 top 3 in championship standings (almost 8 with this year for a few points), whereas he is in 450 since 2016 only is not too shabby either.

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Career-Stats-Most-Supercross-Motocross-Points,1378641

https://vault.racerxonline.com/rider/marvin-musquin/points
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10/21/2020 4:34 PM

TLD was the factory KTM 250 team for years, and failed to deliver a single title. How many titles did Red Bull KTM and Rockstar Husky pulled in the same timeframe?

Seems logical they'd get bumped to third tier.

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10/21/2020 4:45 PM

When it comes to the race bikes- there has to be some level of control. You can’t just have some mechanic cutting the subframe 12mm..etc....Their race bikes undergo extensive R&D and allowing mechanics to make random mods is unacceptable..

Guessing Roger knows what he is doing..far more than anyone in this forum..

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10/21/2020 4:59 PM

RbR wrote:

Unless they make him run with flat tires, Barcia is going to kill it on the new GASGAS. Barcia is a huge win for KTM/GasGas ... IMO, of course. smile

I am not going to disagree with you as I dont have a crystal ball to gaze into the future, but interested in why you think he will kill it on the Gas Gas given he hasnt killed it (and by that I mean SX/MX titles, as I am sure you do too) on any other brand except when on 250's.

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10/21/2020 5:13 PM

You could get Roger's take directly. Simply hang out at the Starbucks on Ortega Highway early in the morning and ask him yourself lol

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10/21/2020 5:28 PM

I've always been under the impression most factory riders had sub frames and any thing on the bike cut chopped shortened or lowered to complement their needs. Footpeg mounts was a big thing as well as subframes. KTM should listen to their ridets needs. Doesn't the MXGP riiders race one off frames.

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10/21/2020 5:32 PM

RbR wrote:

Unless they make him run with flat tires, Barcia is going to kill it on the new GASGAS. Barcia is a huge win for KTM/GasGas ... IMO, of course. smile

kiwifan wrote:

I am not going to disagree with you as I dont have a crystal ball to gaze into the future, but interested in why you think he will kill it on the Gas Gas given he hasnt killed it (and by that I mean SX/MX titles, as I am sure you do too) on any other brand except when on 250's.

I dont have a crystal ball either but Roger D. is known for seeing what results didnt show with riders (ex: Dungey, Webb, and now Vohland?) IMO Barcia did kill it this year but to me a title doesnt determine whether they killed it or not and the smile on his face and how fast he had something else lined up for next year makes me think im not alone.

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10/21/2020 5:48 PM

Roger gets a lot of credit for things he didn’t do or had very little to do with. I’ll also say, that once he is done with you, you’re pretty much trash to him. He’s ruined more than one riders career.

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10/21/2020 6:12 PM

UpTiTe wrote:

Roger gets a lot of credit for things he didn’t do or had very little to do with. I’ll also say, that once he is done with you, you’re pretty much trash to him. He’s ruined more than one riders career.

This thread is garbage from top to bottom in my opinion. But who's career has Roger ruined?

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10/21/2020 6:17 PM

UpTiTe wrote:

Roger gets a lot of credit for things he didn’t do or had very little to do with. I’ll also say, that once he is done with you, you’re pretty much trash to him. He’s ruined more than one riders career.

Are you referring to the credit he got for winning championships as Hondas team manager or when he won as Suzukis teak manager? Or maybe youre referring to the 14 MXDNs in a row he won as manager of team USA? Or do you mean when he started the KTM USA race team from scratch, developed the 450 for KTM and then won their first ever SX race then went on to win multiple championships and counting?

Because surely you arent denying him credit for the multiple world championships he won as a racer.

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10/21/2020 6:18 PM

Skuzzy29 wrote:

From the Pulp column: http://pulpmx.com/2020/10/20/what-people-are-saying/

TOPIC: What is going on with the Troy Lee Designs/Red Bull KTM, now Gas Gas, team? What’s the problem over there?

INDUSTRY GUY: Honestly, it seems like it’s pass the buck a little bit. They don’t have the ability to do whatever they want. If they want to cut their subframe 12 millimeters, they can’t just do that. Everything runs through KTM, through Ian (Harrison), through Roger. When things don’t pan out, I think it’s Roger that is kind of like… Honestly, I would just say it starts from the top. It’s not Robert Jones. It’s Roger. He’s putting the brakes on a lot of things just based on how he feels. I firmly believe he wants orange to be one, white to be two, and red to be three, and that should not be the thinking with somebody in his shirt. That should not be the thinking.

RIDER: For instance, when they were going for Barcia, Roger and Ian were pushing for Savatgy. Gas Gas kept going, why? That was when Justin was winning a race. Everybody thought that, “Well, if they get Barcia, maybe Barcia beats us and it looks bad at KTM.” That’s Roger’s thinking. And he doesn’t want them to beat him. So Joey, he’s not threatened by Joey. So he was like, we’ll just put him over there. It was like, Gas Gas is doing okay, but they’re not great. So that was a big talking point.

I'm not a big fan of these sources making inflammatory statements about the people they are willing to call out, yet hide behind anonymity.

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