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Donny O'Slow O'Hara
1/19/2014 7:10pm
1/19/2014 7:10pm
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1/20/2014 11:03am
I'm one of Ryan's biggest fans, and along with a lot of his critics, I wish he was more aggressive at times, but last night I really didn't like what saw Ryan doing in regards to putting guys on the ground, himself included when he tried to take RV out at the finish. I think there is a very fine line between aggressive passes and aggressive take out passes.
The passes that Jason Anderson and Cole Seeley put on each other in the first two rounds, I thought were awesome, I just like it when a guy can throw a hard pass on a guy and not put the guy on the ground or in cheap seat or send him to Hospital.
That was the thing I liked the most about Jeremy McGrath, was how well he could throw a pass on a guy, and barely touch him in process.
When I see someone put the guy he's passing on the ground during a hard block pass, it just seems cheap to me, about the only way I can handle it is, if the rider getting put to the ground, has done a bunch of crappy block passes to the guy dishing it back to him, like Tomac did to Wilson awhile back, and again I really like Wilson, but I didn't like the take out passes he was giving to Tomac, and when Tomac threw it back to Wilson and put him on the ground, I felt like he got what he deserved, but at the same time, I felt bad and hypocritical about it, because Wilson ended up getting pretty seriously hurt and was not able to defend his outdoor title.
And I guess that's the point of my rant, I like to see good hard racing, with lots of great passes, but without out guys taking each other out and putting guys on the ground and possibly hurting them.
Anyway I'm sure there is going to be a lot of you guys that will disagree with me on this, so lets hear what you have to say on this subject.
The passes that Jason Anderson and Cole Seeley put on each other in the first two rounds, I thought were awesome, I just like it when a guy can throw a hard pass on a guy and not put the guy on the ground or in cheap seat or send him to Hospital.
That was the thing I liked the most about Jeremy McGrath, was how well he could throw a pass on a guy, and barely touch him in process.
When I see someone put the guy he's passing on the ground during a hard block pass, it just seems cheap to me, about the only way I can handle it is, if the rider getting put to the ground, has done a bunch of crappy block passes to the guy dishing it back to him, like Tomac did to Wilson awhile back, and again I really like Wilson, but I didn't like the take out passes he was giving to Tomac, and when Tomac threw it back to Wilson and put him on the ground, I felt like he got what he deserved, but at the same time, I felt bad and hypocritical about it, because Wilson ended up getting pretty seriously hurt and was not able to defend his outdoor title.
And I guess that's the point of my rant, I like to see good hard racing, with lots of great passes, but without out guys taking each other out and putting guys on the ground and possibly hurting them.
Anyway I'm sure there is going to be a lot of you guys that will disagree with me on this, so lets hear what you have to say on this subject.
When you haven't had much practice, you're not very good.
Watching Ryan hit people was kinda of awkward, and I felt a little ashamed afterwards.
Regarding Tickle, it was just a gap and he went for it. Tickle did not look out like Barcia did when Roczen did a pass on him. Therefore he fell unfortunately. Hill, that was just a last corner, last lap scenario and he didn't even crash. The same scenario happened with Villopoto but they did crash. It was not his intention to take Villopoto out, he just wanted to get in aggresive so he could pass him. When Wilson tried to overtake Tomac, it was his goal to take Tomac out instead of just passing him. In my opinion that is the border.
The Shop
Second of all. Oh. My. Gosh. You people are impossible to please! He's not aggressive enough. He then puts in 3 block passes (one unsuccessful) and now it's too much. What do you want?!
What the hell?
RV caused that last crash just as much as RD did...RV came out of that turn squirrelly and looked out of control and Dungey just tried to occupy the same space. Admittedly, it looked very much like an amateurish crash, not unlike Reed and Stewart in Atlanta in what..2011?
Another race or two will see if the new, more aggressive Dungey is going to hurt him or help him. I said last week he didnt need to be more aggressive, just more pro-active with his blocking. I hope and pray that his aggressiveness doesnt cause him to wreck and cost him an entire season......
I like him better as a vulture where he waits for the race to come to him and if someone takes themselves out ahead, he is there to collect the benefits. He is safe that way, smart that way and more damn consistent that way.
He did take it too far and was acting like a tool. He will be dealt with next week
Pit Row
It's not a mater of pleasing or bitching or complaining about what Dungey did, it just me as a Dungey fan not feeling good or proud of what he did, and wanting to know if anyone else felt the same way about.
Also trying to figure out why he went so far the other way from his normal way of passing, I'm sure he is getting a lot of people telling him to be more aggressive, which again I'm all for that, I just didn't like seeing him putting people on the ground, it makes me think of guys like Vince Friese when I see that kind of stuff, and in the end it just seems to escalated till someone ends up getting hurt, which is what I don't like to see.
And again Mcgrath is a perfect example of a racer that I admired, that I don't ever remember him taking out or putting people on the ground as he passed them.
Yeah, both the "takeouts" made me cringe a little. The Tickle one wasn't too bad, but his looking back like "Did I do that?" was. And the Villopoto one...I'm sure he was having second thoughts as the impact drew nearer, but he can't take it back now. Gets RV back for St. Louis '10, though, I guess. (Or did RV's wreck later on get him back? What did we decide?)
Also classic - right after the Dungey/Tickle thing:
Ralph: "For those who think Dungey isn't aggressive, that changed that theory."
Ricky (after regaining his speech ability, still in total shock, you can hear it in his voice): "...yeah."
https://youtu.be/XLk6PmmkkHY
If you didn't notice, they're in a fight for the championship and seperated by 1 point. In this case, the one that finished before the other would take the lead in points over the other. I think it was very important to RD to make that pass, unfortunately it didn't work out like the previous 2, and worse he took out RV and himself at the same time. I don't think that was his intention.
Speaking of payback... Anyone see that pass KRoc put on Barcia? I think you guys wasted 5 or 6 pages last week discussing Barcia's move on #94 last week in PHX. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Hill shouldn't have been looking back he should have been looking ahead to the finish line.
If he pulls any shit like that next week RV will take him out
Did I forget to mention after 3 rounds I'm leading my Fantasy MX league?
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