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Not trying to get any of you to change from running quieter bikes. This story illustrates the mentality of those that just have to be dicks.
Last time I checked, mountain bikes were fairly quiet.
From the LA Times
Rangers to dismantle illegal mountain biking course in Orange County park
February 17, 2010 | 11:13 am
Orange County park rangers, conservationists and volunteers will join forces Saturday to dismantle an illegal mountain bike course built in an off-limits forest area.
The elaborate network of wooden bridges, jumps, illegal trails and sandbag-reinforced switchbacks was built on about an acre of land in Limestone Canyon and Whiting Ranch Wilderness Park, apparently by avid mountain bikers, officials said.
Mountain bikers have built illegal trails in many Orange County parks, said Senior Park Ranger Vicky Malton, who added she had never seen such structures built in this particular park before.
The course was discovered last fall when interns with the Irvine Ranch Conservancy were working to reintroduce prickly pear cacti to the forest after the 2007 Santiago fire and stumbled upon it.
The trail builders destroyed native plants and threatened the habitat of the nesting cactus wren, Malton said. Without enough plants to hold down hillsides, the barren trails raised the risk of erosion. Efforts to “re-brush” the area, or place natural debris and sometimes plant vegetation over the illegal trails, were being sabotaged, she said.
“They keep clearing the same trails or making new ones,” Malton said. “It’s a constant battle.”
Efforts to dismantle the course had to be put on hold during recent rainstorms, said David Raetz, deputy director for the Irvine Ranch Conservancy, adding that he hoped the larger mountain biking community would support the effort to keep certain areas of the park free of human intrusion.
“We live in such an urban area that it’s even more important to leave the natural areas the way they are so they can survive,” Raetz said. “They have to be in balance. … We don’t want to love it to death by continuing to overuse it.”
-- Amina Khan
Last time I checked, mountain bikes were fairly quiet.
From the LA Times
Rangers to dismantle illegal mountain biking course in Orange County park
February 17, 2010 | 11:13 am
Orange County park rangers, conservationists and volunteers will join forces Saturday to dismantle an illegal mountain bike course built in an off-limits forest area.
The elaborate network of wooden bridges, jumps, illegal trails and sandbag-reinforced switchbacks was built on about an acre of land in Limestone Canyon and Whiting Ranch Wilderness Park, apparently by avid mountain bikers, officials said.
Mountain bikers have built illegal trails in many Orange County parks, said Senior Park Ranger Vicky Malton, who added she had never seen such structures built in this particular park before.
The course was discovered last fall when interns with the Irvine Ranch Conservancy were working to reintroduce prickly pear cacti to the forest after the 2007 Santiago fire and stumbled upon it.
The trail builders destroyed native plants and threatened the habitat of the nesting cactus wren, Malton said. Without enough plants to hold down hillsides, the barren trails raised the risk of erosion. Efforts to “re-brush” the area, or place natural debris and sometimes plant vegetation over the illegal trails, were being sabotaged, she said.
“They keep clearing the same trails or making new ones,” Malton said. “It’s a constant battle.”
Efforts to dismantle the course had to be put on hold during recent rainstorms, said David Raetz, deputy director for the Irvine Ranch Conservancy, adding that he hoped the larger mountain biking community would support the effort to keep certain areas of the park free of human intrusion.
“We live in such an urban area that it’s even more important to leave the natural areas the way they are so they can survive,” Raetz said. “They have to be in balance. … We don’t want to love it to death by continuing to overuse it.”
-- Amina Khan
No sound doesn't have anything to do with the reason we've lost so many riding areas since the four strokes came back.....sure it's just a coincidence.
This story just demonstrates the few screw it up for the majority....instead of these nimrods building in an off limit area why didn't they go through the right channels to see about working with OC Parks to build one in a legitimate area.
We've had a skate park in Hermosa Beach for about ten years now that is the result of some young teenagers drawing up plans and submitting them to City Council.
Again I am just using this to illustrate that there are a lot of people out there that are fighting what they feel is a good fight, we have to fight our fight. The sound issues is a tool that they use but not ultimately the reason. Thus the reason for my preface at the top. Honestly its not bait. Just notification that the Mountain Bikers are dealing with the same issues. Again in my honest opinion, these people would complain about hikers. If they were ninja hikers they would complain they farted in the forest. If it wasn't farting it would be their bad breath. There really is no way to make some people happy.
"Without enough plants to hold down hillsides, the barren trails raised the risk of erosion..."
“We live in such an urban area that it’s even more important to leave the natural areas the way they are so they can survive,” Raetz said. “They have to be in balance. … We don’t want to love it to death by continuing to overuse it.”
This statement shows that they aren't dealing in reality, Raetz says there has to be balance in the usage of the natrual areas, but her idea of balance is to never use the area for anything. Any use of the area would lead to loving it to death. He makes no sense just like all these wacked out tree lickers, so why the heck would you try to passify them by making your bike a few decibles quieter. Its insane trying to passify a whack job.
The Shop
I support many off road efforts like NOHVCC, Orba, and BRC and sound is not their primary focus.
If you want to slam me please get your facts straight first.
Tiki-It's all good. You hit the nail on the head that you can't make everybody happy....but we can work to give them one less reason to not like us by keeping the noise down. Even if we were silent some will still have a problem but to me this doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing everything we can to be as quiet as possible. Not saying I'm right just stating my opinion.
WTF, over?
Wait till they find an arrowhead or a bone. You wont even be able to look at the place anymore.
Just so it's clear.
Park Rules
Bike Trails
None of us have ever ridden off a trail at all. Brilliant! We are all legal in every aspect.
Man I wish I could be like some of you. What a bunch of lying hypocrites.
In all seriousness...sound is real issue for some private tracks I attend...a lone 450 around dinner time is pretty darn loud!
Pit Row
The fact is these guys should be able to ride there, they aren't hurting anyone or anything. Oh Im sorry a wren might have to make a nest in another tree. Your riding area is next and its not because of sound, sound is only a tool so stand up and stop playing their game.
Back in the 70s you could ride just about anywhere and be as loud as you wanted, what changed from then till now. Lawyers and tree lickers, Oh and we lost our back bone.
By the way, Yes, I'm legal in every aspect. You would have a hard time finding anything I do illegal. Now, have I always been, for sure no. I've been lucky not to get in trouble for doing bad things in the past. You know what is different about me though? I learned with my age. I am wiser and proud to say I don't do anything illegal. I carry a handgun legally, thus passed all FBI and state checks. I drive the speed limit. I abide by rules. And I personally can't say I have ever ridden where I wasn't suppose to, but that was a rule by my father. When I ruined the farmers land, I accepted that I F'ed up.
I know for a fact, when I go to a government forest, they do have postings that say, no bicycles off posted areas, or something of that order. So is that everyones argument? They didn't know they were illegal? Really???
We can also see that these posted bicycle riding facilities means, bikers know what is legal and what isn't.
http://www.ocparks.com/...=BicyclingBikeTrails
There is a core of people that just hate for the sake of hating. They'll jump on any reason to try and control others.
But, beyond that, there is the farmer or rancher who has his fence cut and folks riding illegally. There is the neighborhood that doesn't want dirt bikes railing down their alleys. There's the folks near a track that never waters and dust is a huge problem as well as noise.
Many reasons. If we are in the wrong, we need to accept that and do something about it.
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