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tek14 wrote:
Cant wait new season start and see Musquin Webb riding together as team!
freebroctickle wrote:
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to...
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to Barcia. No idea why DeCoster would throw that kind of wrench in the works, considering the massive $$$ the team has invested in Musquin.
Musquin will never win a 450 title.
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tek14 wrote:
Cant wait new season start and see Musquin Webb riding together as team!
freebroctickle wrote:
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to...
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to Barcia. No idea why DeCoster would throw that kind of wrench in the works, considering the massive $$$ the team has invested in Musquin.
Coop was an animal on the 250. Maybe his time Will come on the 450!
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freebroctickle 8/25/2018 3:07pm
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tek14 wrote:
Cant wait new season start and see Musquin Webb riding together as team!
freebroctickle wrote:
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to...
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to Barcia. No idea why DeCoster would throw that kind of wrench in the works, considering the massive $$$ the team has invested in Musquin.
eGGz wrote:
Musquin will never win a 450 title.
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ktmfun219 8/25/2018 3:13pm
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tek14 wrote:
Cant wait new season start and see Musquin Webb riding together as team!
freebroctickle wrote:
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to...
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to Barcia. No idea why DeCoster would throw that kind of wrench in the works, considering the massive $$$ the team has invested in Musquin.
Interesting comment on investments,,,,,,,, Musquin since 2011 in US has earned one 2015 east coast 250 SX title.

My private employer board of directors would have terminated this arrangement prior to 8 years of overhead expenditures,


I am just sayin.
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freebroctickle 8/25/2018 3:20pm
8/25/2018 3:20pm Edited Date/Time 8/25/2018 3:22pm
ktmfun219 wrote:
Interesting comment on investments,,,,,,,, Musquin since 2011 in US has earned one 2015 east coast 250 SX title. My private employer board of directors would have...
Interesting comment on investments,,,,,,,, Musquin since 2011 in US has earned one 2015 east coast 250 SX title.

My private employer board of directors would have terminated this arrangement prior to 8 years of overhead expenditures,


I am just sayin.
That doesn't mean the investment hasn't been made, and shouldn't be protected. Other than Tomac, Musquin's the only guy who can *consistently* win races and/or get a podium finish. Webb barely rounds out the top ten, most days.
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tek14 wrote:
Cant wait new season start and see Musquin Webb riding together as team!
freebroctickle wrote:
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to...
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to Barcia. No idea why DeCoster would throw that kind of wrench in the works, considering the massive $$$ the team has invested in Musquin.
ktmfun219 wrote:
Interesting comment on investments,,,,,,,, Musquin since 2011 in US has earned one 2015 east coast 250 SX title. My private employer board of directors would have...
Interesting comment on investments,,,,,,,, Musquin since 2011 in US has earned one 2015 east coast 250 SX title.

My private employer board of directors would have terminated this arrangement prior to 8 years of overhead expenditures,


I am just sayin.
And outbid who for a better rider? Sometimes what you got is the best you can do.
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eGGz 8/25/2018 3:39pm
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freebroctickle wrote:
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to...
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to Barcia. No idea why DeCoster would throw that kind of wrench in the works, considering the massive $$$ the team has invested in Musquin.
eGGz wrote:
Musquin will never win a 450 title.
freebroctickle wrote:
Will Webb?
That remains to be seen. I think he has more of a chance than Musquin. But that is just because Musquin can't deliver.
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ktmfun219 8/25/2018 3:40pm
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ktmfun219 wrote:
Interesting comment on investments,,,,,,,, Musquin since 2011 in US has earned one 2015 east coast 250 SX title. My private employer board of directors would have...
Interesting comment on investments,,,,,,,, Musquin since 2011 in US has earned one 2015 east coast 250 SX title.

My private employer board of directors would have terminated this arrangement prior to 8 years of overhead expenditures,


I am just sayin.
freebroctickle wrote:
That doesn't mean the investment hasn't been made, and shouldn't be protected. Other than Tomac, Musquin's the only guy who can *consistently* win races and/or get...
That doesn't mean the investment hasn't been made, and shouldn't be protected. Other than Tomac, Musquin's the only guy who can *consistently* win races and/or get a podium finish. Webb barely rounds out the top ten, most days.
Point understood yet disagree on available upstart riders available. I am glad its not my money as ROI on 1 of 8 winning titles really is not acceptable. I would cut my losses. Appreciate your comments and viewpoint sir.
Look forward to 2019 and this great sport.
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freebroctickle 8/25/2018 3:41pm
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freebroctickle wrote:
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to...
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to Barcia. No idea why DeCoster would throw that kind of wrench in the works, considering the massive $$$ the team has invested in Musquin.
ktmfun219 wrote:
Interesting comment on investments,,,,,,,, Musquin since 2011 in US has earned one 2015 east coast 250 SX title. My private employer board of directors would have...
Interesting comment on investments,,,,,,,, Musquin since 2011 in US has earned one 2015 east coast 250 SX title.

My private employer board of directors would have terminated this arrangement prior to 8 years of overhead expenditures,


I am just sayin.
plowboy wrote:
And outbid who for a better rider? Sometimes what you got is the best you can do.
Exactly. Other than Tomac, I seriously cannot think of a better 450 rider to have as a #1 guy right now. Tomac had a KILLER season, and for Musquin to even be able to bring it to the final race at all was no small feat.
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Zocrik wrote:
What happened between Reed and Nicoletti right after the finish? Almost looked like Reed was aiming for him and cut him off to have a few...
What happened between Reed and Nicoletti right after the finish? Almost looked like Reed was aiming for him and cut him off to have a few words?
Looked to me more like Phil wanted to high five or fist bump and Reed almost slid in to him trying to get there at the last second
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mister2dt 8/25/2018 3:46pm
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ktmfun219 wrote:
Interesting comment on investments,,,,,,,, Musquin since 2011 in US has earned one 2015 east coast 250 SX title. My private employer board of directors would have...
Interesting comment on investments,,,,,,,, Musquin since 2011 in US has earned one 2015 east coast 250 SX title.

My private employer board of directors would have terminated this arrangement prior to 8 years of overhead expenditures,


I am just sayin.
plowboy wrote:
And outbid who for a better rider? Sometimes what you got is the best you can do.
freebroctickle wrote:
Exactly. Other than Tomac, I seriously cannot think of a better 450 rider to have as a #1 guy right now. Tomac had a KILLER season...
Exactly. Other than Tomac, I seriously cannot think of a better 450 rider to have as a #1 guy right now. Tomac had a KILLER season, and for Musquin to even be able to bring it to the final race at all was no small feat.
Without a bike technical dnf, it wouldnt have gone to the last round.
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crusty_xx 8/25/2018 3:51pm
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tek14 wrote:
Cant wait new season start and see Musquin Webb riding together as team!
freebroctickle wrote:
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to...
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to Barcia. No idea why DeCoster would throw that kind of wrench in the works, considering the massive $$$ the team has invested in Musquin.
eGGz wrote:
Musquin will never win a 450 title.
lol
The last 3 championships he contended for he finished 2nd - everytime with less than a 20 points gap.

Let any of the 3 champions have one DNF and he's the champ. And he will be the same next year, or even better
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ktmfun219 8/25/2018 3:54pm
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plowboy wrote:
And outbid who for a better rider? Sometimes what you got is the best you can do.
freebroctickle wrote:
Exactly. Other than Tomac, I seriously cannot think of a better 450 rider to have as a #1 guy right now. Tomac had a KILLER season...
Exactly. Other than Tomac, I seriously cannot think of a better 450 rider to have as a #1 guy right now. Tomac had a KILLER season, and for Musquin to even be able to bring it to the final race at all was no small feat.
mister2dt wrote:
Without a bike technical dnf, it wouldnt have gone to the last round.
Yup. Over a week ago.
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zehn 8/25/2018 3:58pm
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freebroctickle wrote:
Exactly. Other than Tomac, I seriously cannot think of a better 450 rider to have as a #1 guy right now. Tomac had a KILLER season...
Exactly. Other than Tomac, I seriously cannot think of a better 450 rider to have as a #1 guy right now. Tomac had a KILLER season, and for Musquin to even be able to bring it to the final race at all was no small feat.
Anderson?
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eGGz wrote:
Musquin will never win a 450 title.
freebroctickle wrote:
Will Webb?
eGGz wrote:
That remains to be seen. I think he has more of a chance than Musquin. But that is just because Musquin can't deliver.
I think Musquin is the most likely besides Tomac to win the SX championship. If it weren't for his dislocated shoulder, he probably would have been champ this year. (I know everyone had their own issues, but Marv was on top of a lot of lists coming into SX)
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ATKpilot99 8/25/2018 4:02pm
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freebroctickle wrote:
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to...
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to Barcia. No idea why DeCoster would throw that kind of wrench in the works, considering the massive $$$ the team has invested in Musquin.
eGGz wrote:
Musquin will never win a 450 title.
crusty_xx wrote:
lol The last 3 championships he contended for he finished 2nd - everytime with less than a 20 points gap. Let any of the 3 champions...
lol
The last 3 championships he contended for he finished 2nd - everytime with less than a 20 points gap.

Let any of the 3 champions have one DNF and he's the champ. And he will be the same next year, or even better
As long as Tomac is there and if Roczen continues to improve he won't win one.
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zehn 8/25/2018 4:07pm
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crusty_xx wrote:
lol The last 3 championships he contended for he finished 2nd - everytime with less than a 20 points gap. Let any of the 3 champions...
lol
The last 3 championships he contended for he finished 2nd - everytime with less than a 20 points gap.

Let any of the 3 champions have one DNF and he's the champ. And he will be the same next year, or even better
Almost like Tomac didn’t have a couple DNFs this year ?
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freebroctickle 8/25/2018 4:10pm
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freebroctickle wrote:
Exactly. Other than Tomac, I seriously cannot think of a better 450 rider to have as a #1 guy right now. Tomac had a KILLER season...
Exactly. Other than Tomac, I seriously cannot think of a better 450 rider to have as a #1 guy right now. Tomac had a KILLER season, and for Musquin to even be able to bring it to the final race at all was no small feat.
zehn wrote:
Anderson?
All around, though? Anderson hasn't yet shown that he can translate SX success into MX wins. Tomac and Musquin are reliable, proven winners across both series.

Not saying this can't and won't change, but this is how things sit right now.
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Zocrik wrote:
What happened between Reed and Nicoletti right after the finish? Almost looked like Reed was aiming for him and cut him off to have a few...
What happened between Reed and Nicoletti right after the finish? Almost looked like Reed was aiming for him and cut him off to have a few words?
mister2dt wrote:
Looked to me more like Phil wanted to high five or fist bump and Reed almost slid in to him trying to get there at the...
Looked to me more like Phil wanted to high five or fist bump and Reed almost slid in to him trying to get there at the last second
Yeah, that's probably the most reasonable explanation. Thanks for clearing it up!
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Looked like Reedy may have had some words with Filthy Phil right after the 2nd moto? Anyone catch that, or was it just a bad video angle as they were exiting the track?
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eGGz 8/25/2018 4:27pm
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freebroctickle wrote:
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to...
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to Barcia. No idea why DeCoster would throw that kind of wrench in the works, considering the massive $$$ the team has invested in Musquin.
eGGz wrote:
Musquin will never win a 450 title.
crusty_xx wrote:
lol The last 3 championships he contended for he finished 2nd - everytime with less than a 20 points gap. Let any of the 3 champions...
lol
The last 3 championships he contended for he finished 2nd - everytime with less than a 20 points gap.

Let any of the 3 champions have one DNF and he's the champ. And he will be the same next year, or even better
Musquin will never win a 450 title.
That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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eGGz wrote:
Musquin will never win a 450 title.
That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
He will try his best he will try his best he will try his best he will try his best he will try his best he will try his best he will try his best he will try his best he will try his best he will try his best he will try his best. Sorry, I couldn't resist, lol. I give props to MM, he did try his best.
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crusty_xx 8/25/2018 5:10pm
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eGGz wrote:
Musquin will never win a 450 title.
crusty_xx wrote:
lol The last 3 championships he contended for he finished 2nd - everytime with less than a 20 points gap. Let any of the 3 champions...
lol
The last 3 championships he contended for he finished 2nd - everytime with less than a 20 points gap.

Let any of the 3 champions have one DNF and he's the champ. And he will be the same next year, or even better
eGGz wrote:
Musquin will never win a 450 title.
That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
I like his chances for 2019 SX. He came 9 points short this year despite missing a race and racing one main injured

On the other hand I wouldn't be surprised either to see tomac clinch that title before Vegas.
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DPR250R 8/25/2018 5:53pm
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zehn wrote:
Almost like Tomac didn’t have a couple DNFs this year ?
and last year.
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freebroctickle wrote:
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to...
...Yeah, something tells me Webb is not going to roll over and play the "second guy" card any more willingly to Musquin than he has to Barcia. No idea why DeCoster would throw that kind of wrench in the works, considering the massive $$$ the team has invested in Musquin.
eGGz wrote:
Musquin will never win a 450 title.
crusty_xx wrote:
lol The last 3 championships he contended for he finished 2nd - everytime with less than a 20 points gap. Let any of the 3 champions...
lol
The last 3 championships he contended for he finished 2nd - everytime with less than a 20 points gap.

Let any of the 3 champions have one DNF and he's the champ. And he will be the same next year, or even better
Or,instead of waiting for the other guy to DNF,maybe he could just win some of the races that he leads before he implodes.
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ktmfun219 wrote:
Interesting comment on investments,,,,,,,, Musquin since 2011 in US has earned one 2015 east coast 250 SX title. My private employer board of directors would have...
Interesting comment on investments,,,,,,,, Musquin since 2011 in US has earned one 2015 east coast 250 SX title.

My private employer board of directors would have terminated this arrangement prior to 8 years of overhead expenditures,


I am just sayin.
"just sayin"?

nope its

"not knowing"

thats just a fact..Whistling
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Another great year in the books. Reed was the cherry on top. Man I love moto!

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