Interview - Eli Tomac "These guys are raising the bar above us Americans in motocross"

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9/5/2017 8:19am
VRR7 wrote:
Reed is Australian and came from the GP's - Last 20 years well from about 2000 and on ... AMA SX Since 2000 to present their...
Reed is Australian and came from the GP's -

Last 20 years well from about 2000 and on ...

AMA SX
Since 2000 to present their have been 9 non USA AMA champions versus 24 USA champions in AMA SX -

AMA MX
Since 1999 5 Non USA champions versus 14 USA in AMA MX ( Outdoors)

MXGP
Since 1999 there have be 2 USA MXGP world champion ( Nike Brown 99 and 2000 125cc) Last USA MXGP world champion was 17 years ago.
Last non USA AMA MX Champion 1 year ago - Ken Roczen 2016
Last non USA AMA SX Champion 2 year ago - Marvin Musquin 2015

Total all time 7
MX1 (250cc) Champions
USA has 3 world champions
Belgium 18
USSR 4
South Africa 2

MX2 (125)
Belgium 10
USA 3
South Africa 3

MX3 ( 500cc)
USA 1
Belgium 24
East Germany 3
UK 6

Statistics not IMO :-) Read it however you like .... For me stats do not tip in Favor of the USA but vice versa - USA does not go to MXGP and win but MXGP comes to AMA and wins by a larger percentage.

Maybe Jeremy was right SX only contract ?
early wrote:
Your whole post is flawed logic starting with the Reed statement. How many seasons did he race gps? 2 or 3? Vs his childhood in Australia...
Your whole post is flawed logic starting with the Reed statement. How many seasons did he race gps? 2 or 3? Vs his childhood in Australia and the past 15 or so years in the US.

Next is you statistics.
1. The US hasnt had a top rider race the GPs for a while season since Brad Lackey. (Parker, Brown, and Ryno were great but not top US talent)
2. Calculate championships per capita and your numbers will be more normalized where they should be.
I think what he's trying to say is that the AMA is the premier international series and that is why so many GP guys come here after they win GP titles and not vice versa. Smile
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9/5/2017 8:21am
Eli goes up against the world. He doesn't win. Suddenly all of American motocross is inferior to the Euros? No Baggett. No Anderson. No Webb. No...
Eli goes up against the world. He doesn't win. Suddenly all of American motocross is inferior to the Euros? No Baggett. No Anderson. No Webb. No ZO. No Bogle. No Martins. No Savatgy. No Dungey. (yea. I know. But he wasn't retired until a few months ago). Filling out the gate with a lot of guys few have heard of just to have the race? The guy that wound up 11th in our 250 series goes out and nails down a 1-1? Yeah. The sky is falling.

KCCO.
This right here. A top 10 guy in the states just delivered a major a beatdown to the entire 250 field, including Jonass, Seewer and the...
This right here. A top 10 guy in the states just delivered a major a beatdown to the entire 250 field, including Jonass, Seewer and the young prodigy Prado and no one seems to even mention it, it's almost like it didn't happen.

No offense to RJ, he's super fast, but to say that the AMA is sub par and has no young talent is just fucking idiotic.
That means RJ is the fastest 250f rider in the worldGrinningGrinningGrinningGrinning
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9/5/2017 8:36am
Eli goes up against the world. He doesn't win. Suddenly all of American motocross is inferior to the Euros? No Baggett. No Anderson. No Webb. No...
Eli goes up against the world. He doesn't win. Suddenly all of American motocross is inferior to the Euros? No Baggett. No Anderson. No Webb. No ZO. No Bogle. No Martins. No Savatgy. No Dungey. (yea. I know. But he wasn't retired until a few months ago). Filling out the gate with a lot of guys few have heard of just to have the race? The guy that wound up 11th in our 250 series goes out and nails down a 1-1? Yeah. The sky is falling.

KCCO.
This right here. A top 10 guy in the states just delivered a major a beatdown to the entire 250 field, including Jonass, Seewer and the...
This right here. A top 10 guy in the states just delivered a major a beatdown to the entire 250 field, including Jonass, Seewer and the young prodigy Prado and no one seems to even mention it, it's almost like it didn't happen.

No offense to RJ, he's super fast, but to say that the AMA is sub par and has no young talent is just fucking idiotic.
To say he delivered a major beat down on the entire 250 field would be a bit of an exaggeration. He got pushed extremely hard at the end of the second moto by a guy sitting 9th in the MX2 championship and Seewer came from 8th at the end of the first full lap to finish less than 2 seconds off the win. The top MX2 guys didn't really put it together on the day. Any chances Seewer/Jonass or Prado had of winning the overall were over after 10 feet of the first race. Hampshire rode very well, he was composed under pressure, and when he did make mistakes he reacted well, but on the whole, the quality of the MX2 class came out looking better than I thought it would. 2 GP regulars were on the podium and they didn't look out classed at all where they have in the past

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9/5/2017 8:54am Edited Date/Time 9/5/2017 8:56am
mxb2 wrote:
That means RJ is the fastest 250f rider in the worldGrinningGrinningGrinningGrinning
On a regular day Lawrence (who almost ran down RJ) is half a minute off of top guys and is in 9th place 370 points down on Jonass.
I remember you saying Eli didn`t go for it at Ironman because he had points lead to protect. I guess it doesn`t apply here, eh? lol
It`s just one of those days.
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9/5/2017 9:03am
mxb2 wrote:
That means RJ is the fastest 250f rider in the worldGrinningGrinningGrinningGrinning
kongols wrote:
On a regular day Lawrence (who almost ran down RJ) is half a minute off of top guys and is in 9th place 370 points down...
On a regular day Lawrence (who almost ran down RJ) is half a minute off of top guys and is in 9th place 370 points down on Jonass.
I remember you saying Eli didn`t go for it at Ironman because he had points lead to protect. I guess it doesn`t apply here, eh? lol
It`s just one of those days.
Guess you missed the sarcasm. Eli rode in title mode at Ironman, and got beat in Florida. He proved again he could be the top go guys. He would lap them on a real SX track. So would Marvin.
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9/5/2017 9:22am
VRR7 wrote:
Reed is Australian and came from the GP's - Last 20 years well from about 2000 and on ... AMA SX Since 2000 to present their...
Reed is Australian and came from the GP's -

Last 20 years well from about 2000 and on ...

AMA SX
Since 2000 to present their have been 9 non USA AMA champions versus 24 USA champions in AMA SX -

AMA MX
Since 1999 5 Non USA champions versus 14 USA in AMA MX ( Outdoors)

MXGP
Since 1999 there have be 2 USA MXGP world champion ( Nike Brown 99 and 2000 125cc) Last USA MXGP world champion was 17 years ago.
Last non USA AMA MX Champion 1 year ago - Ken Roczen 2016
Last non USA AMA SX Champion 2 year ago - Marvin Musquin 2015

Total all time 7
MX1 (250cc) Champions
USA has 3 world champions
Belgium 18
USSR 4
South Africa 2

MX2 (125)
Belgium 10
USA 3
South Africa 3

MX3 ( 500cc)
USA 1
Belgium 24
East Germany 3
UK 6

Statistics not IMO :-) Read it however you like .... For me stats do not tip in Favor of the USA but vice versa - USA does not go to MXGP and win but MXGP comes to AMA and wins by a larger percentage.

Maybe Jeremy was right SX only contract ?
Regarding Reed the original poster said we have no all time greats currently racing and said Reed and MC. Roczen is better than both of them were at MX even if he never races again. Reed came from Australia and only raced the GPs for one season to get to America as he couldn't go straight there on good equipment from Australia but he had zero intention of staying in the GPs he always wanted to do SX.

As far as your chart goes, since 2000 the SX title has been won only by Reed for a foreigner. East and West is half competition.

Nationals have been much better but still the talent that comes are world champions which I always mention. Reed and Langston always wanted to race here but needed the GPs as a spring board.

In the late 80's early 90's there were a ton of Americans winning the GPs and they were not AMA champions and every 'GP' rider that has won national titles here has been a world champion already and of course they can come here and compete for wins and titles they have already proven them selves to be the cream of the crop in the GPs. It is uncommon for Americans to go to the GPs unless its a last resort so stats will always be skewed in favor of GP champions and since 1989 at nearly 15 world champions have come stateside although hopefully more Americans go to the GPs in the future, if you dont love SX, go to Europe because it will be hard for someone to get a ride in the states without being excellent at both.

Also Mike Brown never won a world title, won plenty of races but no title. The last American to win the World Title was Moore I believe in 94.

MC going SX only helped one thing though, you start your list at 99 because Albertyn won the title and before that you would have to go to 91 when JMB won. Albertyn came here in 95 after winning three straight world titles but was left in the dust more often than not by Emig and MC with Larocco beating him alot in 1995 and Henry in 98 only winning two races from 95 through 98. When MC went SX only in 99 the door cracked open for Albee and when Emig went too far down the rabbit hole the title became wide open and Albertyn had his chance and took it like the champ he is. So MC going SX only certainly helped Albee.
9/5/2017 9:39am
Mike Brown won 3 GP's


here is a good view of US riders and results in MXGP

Thirty-four American riders have won Grand Prix’s since Jim Pomeroy took their first at the Spanish GP in 1973. A large portion of those winning the USGP when it visited American soil, but many have found their success on the tough European circuits or in places like Japan, Indonesia and Venezuela.

Villopoto and Thomas Covington joined 10 other American riders to have won a single GP, those being Zach Osborne, Rodney Smith, Chuck Sun, Micky Dymond, Jimmy Ellis, Mike Guerra, Donny Hansen, Ken Howerton, Eric Kehoe, and Marty Moates.

The list of American riders with two GP wins are Ron Lechien, David Bailey, Mark Barnett, Danny Chandler, Bob Hannah, Mike Healey, Mike Kiedrowski, while Mike Brown, Broc Glover, Johnny O’mara, Jim Pomeroy and Marty Smith won three each.

Three American riders have won four GP’s each, those being Ricky Johnson, Jeff Stanton and Tallon Vohland, while Danny Laporte and Billy Liles won six GPs apiece.

The first ever American motocross world champion Brad Lackey won nine GPs, former 125cc world champion Bobby Moore won 12 GPs and multiple world champion Trampas Parker won 13 GPs. The winningest American rider in the Grand Prix series is another multiple world motocross champion in the late Donny Schmit. Schmit won 15 GP’s in his career in Europe.
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9/5/2017 9:53am
Mike Brown won 3 GP's here is a good view of US riders and results in MXGP Thirty-four American riders have won Grand Prix’s since Jim...
Mike Brown won 3 GP's


here is a good view of US riders and results in MXGP

Thirty-four American riders have won Grand Prix’s since Jim Pomeroy took their first at the Spanish GP in 1973. A large portion of those winning the USGP when it visited American soil, but many have found their success on the tough European circuits or in places like Japan, Indonesia and Venezuela.

Villopoto and Thomas Covington joined 10 other American riders to have won a single GP, those being Zach Osborne, Rodney Smith, Chuck Sun, Micky Dymond, Jimmy Ellis, Mike Guerra, Donny Hansen, Ken Howerton, Eric Kehoe, and Marty Moates.

The list of American riders with two GP wins are Ron Lechien, David Bailey, Mark Barnett, Danny Chandler, Bob Hannah, Mike Healey, Mike Kiedrowski, while Mike Brown, Broc Glover, Johnny O’mara, Jim Pomeroy and Marty Smith won three each.

Three American riders have won four GP’s each, those being Ricky Johnson, Jeff Stanton and Tallon Vohland, while Danny Laporte and Billy Liles won six GPs apiece.

The first ever American motocross world champion Brad Lackey won nine GPs, former 125cc world champion Bobby Moore won 12 GPs and multiple world champion Trampas Parker won 13 GPs. The winningest American rider in the Grand Prix series is another multiple world motocross champion in the late Donny Schmit. Schmit won 15 GP’s in his career in Europe.
Seems a couple years old but a cool list, Updated for Americans as of this weekend.
Tomac - 2 GP wins
Covington - 2 GP wins
Webb - 1 GP win
Nelson - 1 GP win
Hampshire - 1 GP win
9/5/2017 10:02am
Mike Brown won 3 GP's here is a good view of US riders and results in MXGP Thirty-four American riders have won Grand Prix’s since Jim...
Mike Brown won 3 GP's


here is a good view of US riders and results in MXGP

Thirty-four American riders have won Grand Prix’s since Jim Pomeroy took their first at the Spanish GP in 1973. A large portion of those winning the USGP when it visited American soil, but many have found their success on the tough European circuits or in places like Japan, Indonesia and Venezuela.

Villopoto and Thomas Covington joined 10 other American riders to have won a single GP, those being Zach Osborne, Rodney Smith, Chuck Sun, Micky Dymond, Jimmy Ellis, Mike Guerra, Donny Hansen, Ken Howerton, Eric Kehoe, and Marty Moates.

The list of American riders with two GP wins are Ron Lechien, David Bailey, Mark Barnett, Danny Chandler, Bob Hannah, Mike Healey, Mike Kiedrowski, while Mike Brown, Broc Glover, Johnny O’mara, Jim Pomeroy and Marty Smith won three each.

Three American riders have won four GP’s each, those being Ricky Johnson, Jeff Stanton and Tallon Vohland, while Danny Laporte and Billy Liles won six GPs apiece.

The first ever American motocross world champion Brad Lackey won nine GPs, former 125cc world champion Bobby Moore won 12 GPs and multiple world champion Trampas Parker won 13 GPs. The winningest American rider in the Grand Prix series is another multiple world motocross champion in the late Donny Schmit. Schmit won 15 GP’s in his career in Europe.
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Seems a couple years old but a cool list, Updated for Americans as of this weekend. Tomac - 2 GP wins Covington - 2 GP wins...
Seems a couple years old but a cool list, Updated for Americans as of this weekend.
Tomac - 2 GP wins
Covington - 2 GP wins
Webb - 1 GP win
Nelson - 1 GP win
Hampshire - 1 GP win
yeah its a list from 2015 , but gives a nice view on american history in MXGP and USGP's
9/5/2017 10:16am
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To say he delivered a major beat down on the entire 250 field would be a bit of an exaggeration. He got pushed extremely hard at...
To say he delivered a major beat down on the entire 250 field would be a bit of an exaggeration. He got pushed extremely hard at the end of the second moto by a guy sitting 9th in the MX2 championship and Seewer came from 8th at the end of the first full lap to finish less than 2 seconds off the win. The top MX2 guys didn't really put it together on the day. Any chances Seewer/Jonass or Prado had of winning the overall were over after 10 feet of the first race. Hampshire rode very well, he was composed under pressure, and when he did make mistakes he reacted well, but on the whole, the quality of the MX2 class came out looking better than I thought it would. 2 GP regulars were on the podium and they didn't look out classed at all where they have in the past
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9/5/2017 11:00am
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Implement a 23yr old rule and you will severely diminish the 250 class and put riders out of work early. There are not enough rides for...
Implement a 23yr old rule and you will severely diminish the 250 class and put riders out of work early. There are not enough rides for all the top riders thus you get the Fredrick Noren's living the dream out of a van. More programs to build the base are what's needed with more cost effective racing at the grass roots level (aka. 150 class racing). True moto aficionados will endure spending a saturday/sunday at a track but the convenience of supercross endures to the casual fan. You have to admit sitting in a comfortable seat with accessible snack and beverages while watching your favorite team/brand/riders is pretty great.
Your post is very valid. Racing at the top level is expensive and there are just not enough fans or TV money to make it a profitable business for non factory teams. If you booted all these kids out of the 250 class at 23, the competition wouldn't be as deep as it is now and the 450 class would be about the same. There just aren't enough teams to field all those graduating into the 450 class via age or talent.

If MX drew a bigger TV audience or a bigger live audience the money would be there. MX racing is much harder to follow and the riders get strung out and the racing isn't close a lot of the time. SX is easier to watch live, and is much more of a show than MX. I like them both but a casual/newbie fan may get bored with MX faster than SX.

We as MX/SX fans need to find a way to bring in casual/new fans if you want to grow the sport. Casual fans turn into rabid fans and the more rabid fans you have the more $$ comes into the sport. If people demand great TV coverage and are willing to pay for great coverage, the TV deals get bigger and the $$$ flows. Look at any ball sport, their TV deals are stupid huge. How do we get to that level or near that level? Do we need better stars? Bigger Jumps? More PR/Advertising, prime time slots on network TV? Or are we just always going to be a fringe sport loved by many, just not enough to make it mainstream. Do you even want MX/SX to be mainstream? I think MX/SX is doing pretty good, this year the 450 talent pool is down a bit, but it will rebound. The TV coverage is pretty decent now, could be better, but at least we get nearly all the races close to live now. I think it will survive just fine. Herlings isn't going to ruin American MX/SX any more than Tomac will ruin MXGP.

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