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Hello everyone, my first time posting here and I hope I'm in the correct forum.
I am looking for information or for someone to point me in the right direction, since forums bring the moto community together I thought it best to start here.
I am in the beginning phases of planning and prototyping a new product I hope will enhance the experience of moto performance and ownership. The biggest problem I am having is replication. I don't want to have to buy, measure, and replicate the individual parts for each year of each manufacturer as this is not cost or time efficient. I know there is a way to purchase schematics from OEM's, I just don't know how to go about it or where to get started. For example, I know for graphic companies they can purchase the diagrams of the plastics so they can make graphics that fit. Can anyone help with how to go about this? (Not for graphics, more performance). I have exhausted the google bar out on various boolean search attempts trying to figure this out. Any (constructive) input is appreciated, Thanks!
I am looking for information or for someone to point me in the right direction, since forums bring the moto community together I thought it best to start here.
I am in the beginning phases of planning and prototyping a new product I hope will enhance the experience of moto performance and ownership. The biggest problem I am having is replication. I don't want to have to buy, measure, and replicate the individual parts for each year of each manufacturer as this is not cost or time efficient. I know there is a way to purchase schematics from OEM's, I just don't know how to go about it or where to get started. For example, I know for graphic companies they can purchase the diagrams of the plastics so they can make graphics that fit. Can anyone help with how to go about this? (Not for graphics, more performance). I have exhausted the google bar out on various boolean search attempts trying to figure this out. Any (constructive) input is appreciated, Thanks!
you have to have some kind of background...you sound like you have no clue what you are talking about.
people make parts in a variety of methods, but moslty through actually physically having the motorcycles to fit and prototype the parts.
what kind of things do you want to make. how high of quality are they, whats your background, what are the resources available to you?
and no manufacture has technical renderings and other information readily available for distribution. graphic vectors and things like that are no big deal, but Honda isn't going to send you over cad renderings and "blueprints" cause you ask nicely.
A lot of guys in the industry (automotive as well) beg, borrow and steal (or pay) bikes to use for prototyping. the lower level exhaust guys are always scrambling to find the new years models so they can get their stuff up for sale quickly.
The Shop
I have seen aftermarket companies offer free parts for use of a new model bike or car to check fitment of components like exhausts or intake kits.
I certainly did not think Honda or any OEM would "hand over" blueprints. However I feel like there is a way to purchase information?
I have talked to a guy I race with locally that makes graphics. He mentioned that he can get vectors (thank you for the word I was looking for) for all of the bikes, unfortunately I do not have contact with him anymore. I know performance is a totally different aspect and companies will not give up trade secrets, however I was curious if that applies to all categories of performance. For example, when Twin air, Uni, No-toil are designing a new air filter, do they acquire (beg,borrow, pay) the new models so they can measure the every aspect of the air box, or can they pay the factories for the information? Maybe they do but how am I to know unless the question gets asked. I could assume, but that makes me an ass, especially if there is an easier way available.
My background is in fabrication, mostly from a automotive level however my passion is in moto. I also have access to cad although I have limited experience with it (but know people who do have experience). My moto experience is of a personal nature, I have very little ties with the "industry" but do have ties from a local standpoint. I know shop owners, local pros, and track makers. Testing the product is my issue that I will tackle further down the road.
Resources is another topic and something I have already researched. I have sourced materials. What is needed now is a blueprint to make a prototype. I have taken measurements from bikes that I own, but obviously lack those that I do not own. I don't expect ANYTHING for free, side from perhaps some advice or direction.
Innovation can come from anywhere, it just may take a stronger effort to succeed.
If you have a local track maybe try to find some people willing to let you use their bike to get measurements and or test the product when you get to that stage. Who knows maybe a few guys with different bikes would be willing to help you out.
The idea was to get some better direction, and I can say that I think the direction is more clear now. I appreciate all the information from everyone.
I was able to find an older thread with a similar question that had some useful information as well. http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Engineering-Data-for-Dirt… for those that are interested.
If you are manufacturing a product that I'll be selling in my accessory catalog, I can get the CAD data for you. It's a long process involving a non-disclosure agreement, but possible.
If you just want my company's designs for your own betterment, sorry.
It's probably like that everywhre, regardless of whether or not you are willing to pay.
Pit Row
you have to have some kind of background...you sound like you have no clue what you are talking about.
You must work for someone else.....and not have the grit to move something from idea into fruition.
Anybody can do anything if they want it bad enough, just because you tend to 'settle' because things appear too hard or complicated, doesn't mean our friend RTW has to as well.
There is always a way - the question is, is it worth it based on the needs of the market - and maybe find the ying-to-your-yang, if this industry isn't your strength, (stick to yours) and find someone who has the skills and resources you don't - but the shared passion or vision.
Nobody will give you the info
I just don't see the business case.
For the OP, it probably depends on what you are wanting to make. If it's going to be a load bearing part, then you're also going to need to know the material and figure out loads that will be felt by the piece, or risk the prototype breaking when you test it. But like others have said, I would think your best and cheapest option is to measure the parts from individual bikes, maybe offer some sort of small incentive to get people to allow you to measure theirs or something like that. Whatever you choose good luck, and hope all works out for you.
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