In a few years, most MX tracks will have...

Lightning78
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11/29/2011 1:04pm
mx216 wrote:
Why the hell do you need credit to buy a dirtbike? If you cant buy a recreational toy without borrowing money then you shouldnt be recreating...
Why the hell do you need credit to buy a dirtbike? If you cant buy a recreational toy without borrowing money then you shouldnt be recreating. Idiots spending money they dont have is whats got everything jacked up. And not everyone is irresponsible in that sense, but the way lenders were giving out loans was ridiculous. We'd have full on beginners come in the shop and if they got top tier on their credit they for sure bought pipes, bars, graphics, and extra gear like they were goin outta style on top of the the 8000 dollar bike and maxed that credit line out. Lol at no credit/bad credit lenders from the last few years, thanks guys.
mxb2 wrote:
Yea spending money on the mx industry is a bad thing , lol, Let people spend their money the way they want.
mx216 wrote:
Lol obviously missed the point. Im all about people spending "their" money. Not borrowing others. Going into debt for a dirtbike is stupid and if you...
Lol obviously missed the point. Im all about people spending "their" money. Not borrowing others. Going into debt for a dirtbike is stupid and if you say otherwise well, more than likely ur in debt for a dirtbike hahaha. Work hard save ur money and buy a bike when you got the cash. It also helps when you go to sell it after 2 years and you can only get 3500 and still owe 5500, if you paid outright you put 3500 right back in your pocket.
Sorry 216 your way off base..... Not many people have a discretionary amount of money like 8-10k to unload on a bike, even if you make decent money. If financing wasn't avail bike sales would be a shadow of what they are now. I've easily financed and paid off bikes, thinking anyone that doesn't have cash up front for a bike is short sided.
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11/29/2011 4:13pm
mxb2 wrote:
Yea spending money on the mx industry is a bad thing , lol, Let people spend their money the way they want.
mx216 wrote:
Lol obviously missed the point. Im all about people spending "their" money. Not borrowing others. Going into debt for a dirtbike is stupid and if you...
Lol obviously missed the point. Im all about people spending "their" money. Not borrowing others. Going into debt for a dirtbike is stupid and if you say otherwise well, more than likely ur in debt for a dirtbike hahaha. Work hard save ur money and buy a bike when you got the cash. It also helps when you go to sell it after 2 years and you can only get 3500 and still owe 5500, if you paid outright you put 3500 right back in your pocket.
Sorry 216 your way off base..... Not many people have a discretionary amount of money like 8-10k to unload on a bike, even if you make...
Sorry 216 your way off base..... Not many people have a discretionary amount of money like 8-10k to unload on a bike, even if you make decent money. If financing wasn't avail bike sales would be a shadow of what they are now. I've easily financed and paid off bikes, thinking anyone that doesn't have cash up front for a bike is short sided.
Fuck bike sales......bigger picture hombre
Live within your means. If that means you can't afford a bike, don't buy a bike.
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flyinb501 wrote:
"Buying a stupid used 2-strokes like others said on this thread, let me laugh out loud because your $1,500 - or even $2,500 - 2-strokes will...
"Buying a stupid used 2-strokes like others said on this thread, let me laugh out loud because your $1,500 - or even $2,500 - 2-strokes will cost you at least $1,500 before you can be competitively racing B class in your area. "

This is the biggest crock of BS I've heard in a very long time...
motoplook wrote:
biggest crock of BS yourself bro!

full top end,
cranks, gears, shock, fork, exhaust.....
Haha really? So every used 2 stroke requires a new top end, crank, gears, shock, forks, and exhaust? Okay buddy...

I picked up a bone stock 2000 YZ 125 a couple months ago for $1100, and all I had done was a suspension rebuild. The last time I went riding I was racing with, and beating several B riders on 250F's. At that level, rider skill is much more important than the bike. There are many used bikes out there in the $1500 - $2500 price range that are in great condition and good to go.
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Pretty hard to own any dirt bike and not spend money. Hell, that's half the fun.

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11/29/2011 4:22pm
mxb2 wrote:
Yea spending money on the mx industry is a bad thing , lol, Let people spend their money the way they want.
mx216 wrote:
Lol obviously missed the point. Im all about people spending "their" money. Not borrowing others. Going into debt for a dirtbike is stupid and if you...
Lol obviously missed the point. Im all about people spending "their" money. Not borrowing others. Going into debt for a dirtbike is stupid and if you say otherwise well, more than likely ur in debt for a dirtbike hahaha. Work hard save ur money and buy a bike when you got the cash. It also helps when you go to sell it after 2 years and you can only get 3500 and still owe 5500, if you paid outright you put 3500 right back in your pocket.
Sorry 216 your way off base..... Not many people have a discretionary amount of money like 8-10k to unload on a bike, even if you make...
Sorry 216 your way off base..... Not many people have a discretionary amount of money like 8-10k to unload on a bike, even if you make decent money. If financing wasn't avail bike sales would be a shadow of what they are now. I've easily financed and paid off bikes, thinking anyone that doesn't have cash up front for a bike is short sided.
In my first paragraph i did state that not everybody is irresponsible when it comes to financing a bike. But at the same time so many people that werent in a position to spend that much let alone borrow money, got to borrow it. Spend your money how you want, but the whole problem with our economy comes from people spending money that is not theirs. Btw i dont make a lot of money, i work at a bike shop hahahaha. Just gotta be smart with what ya have. Props to everybody who can finance their stuff and actually pay for it. Ive seen too many people get a ton of stuff on credit when times were good and then just quit paying for it and hide the stuff, not good for the future for them but it also affects all of the people that try to get loans in the future also.
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11/29/2011 5:05pm
I have owned several 2 strokes and 4 strokes over the last few years and the four strokes have ripped my nuts off on my maintenance. I grenaded my 2009 RMZ450 and I was done after that. I will own another one day but not until my KTM250 is fully decked out and I finish my two vintage Kx's then I want a Service Honda 500, a Husky or TM 144, a 1996 and a 2000 CR250, A 1981 Maico 490, and last a 2003 0r 2004 YZ250. Then I might buy one. Smile
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You can't tell someone how to spend his/her own money. If you can't buy a new $8000 dirt bike then find a nice used one with low hours on it. I just saved over $3500 when I bought a slightly used 2010 250f bought new this year.
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11/29/2011 5:42pm Edited Date/Time 11/29/2011 5:56pm
Who cares!? Trust me I would love equal displacement, but you "men" will NEVER agree! Most of you of are internet tough guys and when something doesn't go your way, you cry and wine. So keep up the good work! Lets have the industry think that Vital MX is a nut house! But that's alright because we don't know who most of you are, so if so and so says something. Who cares? Most are internet geeks that think they know moto. But whatever, there has to be that level of idiocy somewhere, sucks it ruined such a good mx forum! So have a nice day!! Evil

ps. again this applies to most, not all.
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11/29/2011 8:33pm
Big Daddy - thanks for the link... Orange..... for you 2009 - 2010 Motorcycle Sales Totals 2009 Totals 2010 Totals Unit Change % Change Dual Sport...
Big Daddy - thanks for the link...

Orange..... for you

2009 - 2010 Motorcycle Sales Totals
2009 Totals 2010 Totals Unit Change % Change
Dual Sport 27,210 23,531 -3,679 -13.5%
Off Road 105,524 80,962 -24,562 -23.3%

2008 - 2009 Motorcycle Sales Totals
2008 Totals 2009 Totals Unit Change % Change
Dual Sport 45,250 27,210 -18,993 -39.9%
Off Road 146,779 105,524 -41,676 -28.1%

The credit crunch supports my position. Who can afford a 9-10K bike? I'm guess you can but the can'ts out number the cans...
Once again, you aren't listening. Here's some snippets of data for you so that you can see how off you are. And there's plenty more.

Lastly, you have ignored that total WW bikes sales are positive, not negative as you keep highlighting in one market. Not sure I can help you anymore.

You paint a gloomy picture as your business hasn't been able to figure out how to respond to dynamic market conditions and make a blanket (and retarded) statement about 2 strokes dominating MX tracks. ROFL. You are absolutely CLUELESS. I'd suggest going back to your accounting and finance teachers and asking them to fail you as you've embarrassed them by using ZERO logic (and limited data) whatsoever.

"Yamaha worldwide motorcycle sales rise

Powersports Business
Friday May 13, 2011

Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd. saw net sales rise 2.8 percent in its first quarter compared to the year-ago period to ¥318.6 billion ($3.94 billion) due to factors such as increased sales of motorcycles in emerging markets.

Net sales of overall Yamaha motorcycles was ¥219.7 billion ($2.7 billion), down 0.2 percent from the first quarter a year ago.

Total motorcycle sales were 1.69 million, compared to 1.61 million in the same quarter a year ago.

Sales in Europe decreased, but sales continued to climb in emerging markets in Asia as well as Central and South America. In North America, unit sales of motorcycles dropped to 16,000, from 17,000 in the year-ago quarter. Unit sales in Europe also were down to 44,000, from 54,000 a year ago.

In the marine business segment, net sales rose 17.9 percent year-to-year to ¥50.6 billion ($626.3 million) due to recovered demand for personal outboard motors and watercraft in North America.

In the power product business segment, wholesale of ATVs in North America increased, and net sales role 7.1 percent year-to-year to ¥21.7 billion ($268.6 million). "

"BMW reported a 13.1% increase in worldwide motorcycle sales revenue over the first quarter ended March 31, 2011.

The German manufacturer reported sales revenue of 397 million euros (US$589.9 million) over the quarter, an increase from the 351 million euros (US$521.7 million) from the same quarter in 2010. Despite the increase in sales, profit before tax from BMW Motorrad matched last year’s total of 30 million euros (US$44.6 million).

BMW sold 25,049 motorcycles over the first quarter, an 11.4% increase from the first quarter of 2010. The total includes 23,109 BMW motorcycles (up 10.9% from 2010’s 20,840 units) and 1,940 from its Husqvarna subsidiary (an 18.4% increase from the 1,639 Husqvarna motorcycles sold in the first quarter of 2010).

European motorcycle sales were up 6.5% from last year at 17,260 units, but that was mostly due to a 36.8% increase in sales in Germany (4,395 units). Unit sales were otherwise down in BMW’s main European markets, Spain (1,439 units; -8.3%), Great Britain (1,643 untis; -34.3%), Italy (4,432 units; -4.9%) and France (1,913 units; -7.4%). U.S. sales were also down 4.8% at 2,319 units from 2,436 units in 2010.

For the remainder of 2011, BMW foresees increased motorcycle sales despite an overall worldwide market that is expected to remain steady at 2010’s levels. "
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It's going to be 30 degrees or less for the next 5 months here. Taking that into consideration let me say our new in a box 2008 CRF450 has nearly 200 hours on it. (New $4750 otd). Day one Ron Hamp head, valves, springs, piston, and porting. Pump Gas. Sorry but that is moto on the cheap. It cost $950 but I sold new stock head for $350. After 3 years I have spent more on gasoline going to tracks than I have on the bike itself. Fuck bike prices. They are cheap. Why are you cool with everything else?
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11/29/2011 9:01pm Edited Date/Time 11/29/2011 9:03pm
Big Daddy - thanks for the link... Orange..... for you 2009 - 2010 Motorcycle Sales Totals 2009 Totals 2010 Totals Unit Change % Change Dual Sport...
Big Daddy - thanks for the link...

Orange..... for you

2009 - 2010 Motorcycle Sales Totals
2009 Totals 2010 Totals Unit Change % Change
Dual Sport 27,210 23,531 -3,679 -13.5%
Off Road 105,524 80,962 -24,562 -23.3%

2008 - 2009 Motorcycle Sales Totals
2008 Totals 2009 Totals Unit Change % Change
Dual Sport 45,250 27,210 -18,993 -39.9%
Off Road 146,779 105,524 -41,676 -28.1%

The credit crunch supports my position. Who can afford a 9-10K bike? I'm guess you can but the can'ts out number the cans...
Once again, you aren't listening. Here's some snippets of data for you so that you can see how off you are. And there's plenty more. Lastly...
Once again, you aren't listening. Here's some snippets of data for you so that you can see how off you are. And there's plenty more.

Lastly, you have ignored that total WW bikes sales are positive, not negative as you keep highlighting in one market. Not sure I can help you anymore.

You paint a gloomy picture as your business hasn't been able to figure out how to respond to dynamic market conditions and make a blanket (and retarded) statement about 2 strokes dominating MX tracks. ROFL. You are absolutely CLUELESS. I'd suggest going back to your accounting and finance teachers and asking them to fail you as you've embarrassed them by using ZERO logic (and limited data) whatsoever.

"Yamaha worldwide motorcycle sales rise

Powersports Business
Friday May 13, 2011

Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd. saw net sales rise 2.8 percent in its first quarter compared to the year-ago period to ¥318.6 billion ($3.94 billion) due to factors such as increased sales of motorcycles in emerging markets.

Net sales of overall Yamaha motorcycles was ¥219.7 billion ($2.7 billion), down 0.2 percent from the first quarter a year ago.

Total motorcycle sales were 1.69 million, compared to 1.61 million in the same quarter a year ago.

Sales in Europe decreased, but sales continued to climb in emerging markets in Asia as well as Central and South America. In North America, unit sales of motorcycles dropped to 16,000, from 17,000 in the year-ago quarter. Unit sales in Europe also were down to 44,000, from 54,000 a year ago.

In the marine business segment, net sales rose 17.9 percent year-to-year to ¥50.6 billion ($626.3 million) due to recovered demand for personal outboard motors and watercraft in North America.

In the power product business segment, wholesale of ATVs in North America increased, and net sales role 7.1 percent year-to-year to ¥21.7 billion ($268.6 million). "

"BMW reported a 13.1% increase in worldwide motorcycle sales revenue over the first quarter ended March 31, 2011.

The German manufacturer reported sales revenue of 397 million euros (US$589.9 million) over the quarter, an increase from the 351 million euros (US$521.7 million) from the same quarter in 2010. Despite the increase in sales, profit before tax from BMW Motorrad matched last year’s total of 30 million euros (US$44.6 million).

BMW sold 25,049 motorcycles over the first quarter, an 11.4% increase from the first quarter of 2010. The total includes 23,109 BMW motorcycles (up 10.9% from 2010’s 20,840 units) and 1,940 from its Husqvarna subsidiary (an 18.4% increase from the 1,639 Husqvarna motorcycles sold in the first quarter of 2010).

European motorcycle sales were up 6.5% from last year at 17,260 units, but that was mostly due to a 36.8% increase in sales in Germany (4,395 units). Unit sales were otherwise down in BMW’s main European markets, Spain (1,439 units; -8.3%), Great Britain (1,643 untis; -34.3%), Italy (4,432 units; -4.9%) and France (1,913 units; -7.4%). U.S. sales were also down 4.8% at 2,319 units from 2,436 units in 2010.

For the remainder of 2011, BMW foresees increased motorcycle sales despite an overall worldwide market that is expected to remain steady at 2010’s levels. "
I have heard that while US pro's like Stewart and T-Hahn have secretly hated the YZF450, it is huge in emerging markets like China and Vietnam! That must be driving Yamaha's overall volume up (and not small displacement street bikes) worldwide, right?
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I don't really want to enter this pissing match again, but I'd put another factor out there that makes it hard: places to ride. There's really...
I don't really want to enter this pissing match again, but I'd put another factor out there that makes it hard: places to ride. There's really but one or two (legal) places to ride in New Jersey: Englishtown and Atco, two race tracks. That's fine for me, but how can I bring my friends and show them the sport I love? The tracks are fun but gnarly - there is no place for a beginner, no place for trail riding. The jumps are big and people now routinely die. That might be OK for many of us here on Vital, but most normal people think we're nucking futs. And we might be. But, I think it's clear that if you don't have places to ride, that there will be less growth in the sport.
This is true. We need more riding areas!!!!
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Mstock wrote:
It's going to be 30 degrees or less for the next 5 months here. Taking that into consideration let me say our new in a box...
It's going to be 30 degrees or less for the next 5 months here. Taking that into consideration let me say our new in a box 2008 CRF450 has nearly 200 hours on it. (New $4750 otd). Day one Ron Hamp head, valves, springs, piston, and porting. Pump Gas. Sorry but that is moto on the cheap. It cost $950 but I sold new stock head for $350. After 3 years I have spent more on gasoline going to tracks than I have on the bike itself. Fuck bike prices. They are cheap. Why are you cool with everything else?
If/When I have the funds for a thumper, before it ever hits the dirt (be it a new or used bike) I will be sending it to Ron or Gorr for their 4-stroke rebuild service.

I'm against 4-strokes...except the yz250f...a reliable 250F is something to marvel at, even if it is down a few horse power!
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11/29/2011 9:31pm
Big Daddy - thanks for the link... Orange..... for you 2009 - 2010 Motorcycle Sales Totals 2009 Totals 2010 Totals Unit Change % Change Dual Sport...
Big Daddy - thanks for the link...

Orange..... for you

2009 - 2010 Motorcycle Sales Totals
2009 Totals 2010 Totals Unit Change % Change
Dual Sport 27,210 23,531 -3,679 -13.5%
Off Road 105,524 80,962 -24,562 -23.3%

2008 - 2009 Motorcycle Sales Totals
2008 Totals 2009 Totals Unit Change % Change
Dual Sport 45,250 27,210 -18,993 -39.9%
Off Road 146,779 105,524 -41,676 -28.1%

The credit crunch supports my position. Who can afford a 9-10K bike? I'm guess you can but the can'ts out number the cans...
Once again, you aren't listening. Here's some snippets of data for you so that you can see how off you are. And there's plenty more. Lastly...
Once again, you aren't listening. Here's some snippets of data for you so that you can see how off you are. And there's plenty more.

Lastly, you have ignored that total WW bikes sales are positive, not negative as you keep highlighting in one market. Not sure I can help you anymore.

You paint a gloomy picture as your business hasn't been able to figure out how to respond to dynamic market conditions and make a blanket (and retarded) statement about 2 strokes dominating MX tracks. ROFL. You are absolutely CLUELESS. I'd suggest going back to your accounting and finance teachers and asking them to fail you as you've embarrassed them by using ZERO logic (and limited data) whatsoever.

"Yamaha worldwide motorcycle sales rise

Powersports Business
Friday May 13, 2011

Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd. saw net sales rise 2.8 percent in its first quarter compared to the year-ago period to ¥318.6 billion ($3.94 billion) due to factors such as increased sales of motorcycles in emerging markets.

Net sales of overall Yamaha motorcycles was ¥219.7 billion ($2.7 billion), down 0.2 percent from the first quarter a year ago.

Total motorcycle sales were 1.69 million, compared to 1.61 million in the same quarter a year ago.

Sales in Europe decreased, but sales continued to climb in emerging markets in Asia as well as Central and South America. In North America, unit sales of motorcycles dropped to 16,000, from 17,000 in the year-ago quarter. Unit sales in Europe also were down to 44,000, from 54,000 a year ago.

In the marine business segment, net sales rose 17.9 percent year-to-year to ¥50.6 billion ($626.3 million) due to recovered demand for personal outboard motors and watercraft in North America.

In the power product business segment, wholesale of ATVs in North America increased, and net sales role 7.1 percent year-to-year to ¥21.7 billion ($268.6 million). "

"BMW reported a 13.1% increase in worldwide motorcycle sales revenue over the first quarter ended March 31, 2011.

The German manufacturer reported sales revenue of 397 million euros (US$589.9 million) over the quarter, an increase from the 351 million euros (US$521.7 million) from the same quarter in 2010. Despite the increase in sales, profit before tax from BMW Motorrad matched last year’s total of 30 million euros (US$44.6 million).

BMW sold 25,049 motorcycles over the first quarter, an 11.4% increase from the first quarter of 2010. The total includes 23,109 BMW motorcycles (up 10.9% from 2010’s 20,840 units) and 1,940 from its Husqvarna subsidiary (an 18.4% increase from the 1,639 Husqvarna motorcycles sold in the first quarter of 2010).

European motorcycle sales were up 6.5% from last year at 17,260 units, but that was mostly due to a 36.8% increase in sales in Germany (4,395 units). Unit sales were otherwise down in BMW’s main European markets, Spain (1,439 units; -8.3%), Great Britain (1,643 untis; -34.3%), Italy (4,432 units; -4.9%) and France (1,913 units; -7.4%). U.S. sales were also down 4.8% at 2,319 units from 2,436 units in 2010.

For the remainder of 2011, BMW foresees increased motorcycle sales despite an overall worldwide market that is expected to remain steady at 2010’s levels. "
Jesse318NW wrote:
I have heard that while US pro's like Stewart and T-Hahn have secretly hated the YZF450, it is huge in emerging markets like China and Vietnam...
I have heard that while US pro's like Stewart and T-Hahn have secretly hated the YZF450, it is huge in emerging markets like China and Vietnam! That must be driving Yamaha's overall volume up (and not small displacement street bikes) worldwide, right?
Powersports Business Thursday April 29, 2010 Although North American sales remain down, Honda Motor Co. reported a 30 percent rise in its worldwide motorcycle division sales for its recent quarter.

Worldwide, Honda sold 2.6 million units in its fourth quarter, with sale increases coming in Japan, Asia and its “other regions.”

Honda’s sales in North America, however, were off 37.5 percent for its motorcycle division, which includes motorcycles, ATVs and PWC. Unit sales for motorcycles alone in North America decreased 49 percent from the year-ago quarter.
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Powersports Business Thursday April 29, 2010 Although North American sales remain down, [b]Honda Motor Co. reported a 30 percent rise in its worldwide motorcycle division sales...
Powersports Business Thursday April 29, 2010 Although North American sales remain down, Honda Motor Co. reported a 30 percent rise in its worldwide motorcycle division sales for its recent quarter.

Worldwide, Honda sold 2.6 million units in its fourth quarter, with sale increases coming in Japan, Asia and its “other regions.”

Honda’s sales in North America, however, were off 37.5 percent for its motorcycle division, which includes motorcycles, ATVs and PWC. Unit sales for motorcycles alone in North America decreased 49 percent from the year-ago quarter.
Following the back-and-forth between you and EastFlorida, it looks like there is confusion between what he was talking about with US market size for dirtbikes (not the industry's classification of motorcycles and divisions therein) and your point on market share in global markets. For example, if you look at anything relating to motorcyles over the last few years, you'll see a point where moped sales spiked dramatically as consumers responded to their distaste in high gas prices (which heavily skews the "motorcycle" industry performance you keep making associations with dirtbikes on). Also, while I'm a huge proponent of truth in numbers--data and economics alone is not telling of the whole picture as it relates to the topic this thread started on... comprehensive analysis will uncover the "key drivers" or indicators of what the world of motocross and dirtbike recreation is really doing.
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"Im so tired of hearing how expensive 4 strokes are. Im sure air cooled, twin shock, drum brakes are less expensive too. I love my 4 stroke. Its like having a single cylinder Indy car motor. I also think a 4 stroke sounds BAD ASS and not like a chain saw. "


hahahahahaha. i love the internet.
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Hando wrote:
SoCal is a different beast and there are wealthy enclaves still there..the rest of this country is going down the shitter, FAST!! Matthes...where art tho?? People...
SoCal is a different beast and there are wealthy enclaves still there..the rest of this country is going down the shitter, FAST!!

Matthes...where art tho??


People aren't anti 4-stroke...they are anti-RAPE. If 4-strokes were more economical to own I wouldnt shed a tear over 2-strokes because they'd make the sport better and more available to people.

America is @ 30% unemployment..who the fuck can afford to drop 10K on a bike thats just going to get trashed in the dirt??

The MFG's need to figure out how to make the 4-strokes have the longevity of streetbikes or lower costs significantly to maintain them.

I've seen f4i's with a ton of track miles on them keep tickng and ticking..mean while a 250F is a $8000 time bomb.
Trauma wrote:
The US is not at 30% unemployment. It's more like 10%, still high.
Actual real unemployment including those that have exhausted benifits and/or are no longer looking for work because there are so few options in their field is much higher than 10%.

But you keep on belieiving whatever you want to in Australia.
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Hando wrote:
SoCal is a different beast and there are wealthy enclaves still there..the rest of this country is going down the shitter, FAST!! Matthes...where art tho?? People...
SoCal is a different beast and there are wealthy enclaves still there..the rest of this country is going down the shitter, FAST!!

Matthes...where art tho??


People aren't anti 4-stroke...they are anti-RAPE. If 4-strokes were more economical to own I wouldnt shed a tear over 2-strokes because they'd make the sport better and more available to people.

America is @ 30% unemployment..who the fuck can afford to drop 10K on a bike thats just going to get trashed in the dirt??

The MFG's need to figure out how to make the 4-strokes have the longevity of streetbikes or lower costs significantly to maintain them.

I've seen f4i's with a ton of track miles on them keep tickng and ticking..mean while a 250F is a $8000 time bomb.
Trauma wrote:
The US is not at 30% unemployment. It's more like 10%, still high.
JustMX wrote:
Actual real unemployment including those that have exhausted benifits and/or are no longer looking for work because there are so few options in their field is...
Actual real unemployment including those that have exhausted benifits and/or are no longer looking for work because there are so few options in their field is much higher than 10%.

But you keep on belieiving whatever you want to in Australia.
Bureau of Labor Statistics
U1-U6 unemployment is 16.2%= 25.3 million out of work as of July 2011
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11/30/2011 10:24am
In a few years most tracks will have a lot less riders. The trend will continue as it has the last ten years. There will be 25% or more of the current tracks out of business.
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11/30/2011 10:27am Edited Date/Time 11/30/2011 10:33am
The Japanese Mfg's aren't going to retool and invest in their MX line, because in ten years this sport will be dead. Non-existent (at least in the US). Honda and the others are trying to maximize profits in the segment with the wealthier consumers before the segment dries up completely. The US is too litigious for the sport to survive. There will not be enough riding areas left to support the offroad industry. Mark my words.

The only dirt bike manufacturers will be European (and Chinese), Small cottage industry manufacturers who will supply the small off road scene across the rest of the World.

You really think we can survive, with mountain biking even coming under fire?

Maybe a few electric playbikes sold to people wealthy enough to own property that hasn't been regulated out of use.

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