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8/23/2013 2:31 AM

What would they be? Age groups? Capacities? Strokes? What ever. Give us the series asx required as you see it.

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8/23/2013 3:26 AM
Edited Date/Time: 8/23/2013 3:28 AM

125
250
500
Any stroke
Cannot turn pro until 18 with high school diploma or equivalent in hand.

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8/23/2013 3:53 AM

reded wrote:

125
250
500
Any stroke
Cannot turn pro until 18 with high school diploma or equivalent in hand.

^^^^^^ THIS!

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8/23/2013 4:07 AM

reded wrote:

125
250
500
Any stroke
Cannot turn pro until 18 with high school diploma or equivalent in hand.

cdm806 wrote:

^^^^^^ THIS!

This X2

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8/23/2013 4:19 AM

18 year old rule works for most I think, but perhaps they could work out a points system to move up? Cause some of them would be silly... Ie James, RC, Travis etc would have just been bored if they had to do from 16 to 18 as amateurs...

Classes....

125 -249 two stroke V 250 four stroke

250-open two stroke V 250-350 four stroke...

That way the 2 strokes need to develop a 125-249 engine and the four strokes a 250-350 engine...

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Cheers, Crush
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8/23/2013 4:30 AM

reded wrote:

125
250
500
Any stroke
Cannot turn pro until 18 with high school diploma or equivalent in hand.

The end.

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8/23/2013 4:45 AM

I love the high school rule but given that those years are very crucial developmental years, I think it would handicap the system. I would propose that the students continue to do homeschool but the AMA (yes the AMA would actually need to do something) needs to partner with some sort of school system that develops a curriculum rather than mommy and daddy. Racers that don't pass, are ineligible to race.

I've said several times, non industry sponsors are desparately needed in our sport. If I were racing, I'd be knocking on college/trade school's doors asking for tuition (after the racing career) in exchange for sponsorship deal. SX/MX definitely caters to the college and career demographic.

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8/23/2013 5:01 AM

Crush wrote:

18 year old rule works for most I think, but perhaps they could work out a points system to move up? Cause some of them would ...more

uh wasnt RC almost 18 at his first pro nat?

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8/23/2013 5:11 AM

reded wrote:

125
250
500
Any stroke
Cannot turn pro until 18 with high school diploma or equivalent in hand.

^This! Although I believe the 500 class negates the need for an open class.

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8/23/2013 5:23 AM
Edited Date/Time: 8/23/2013 5:24 AM

Same as it always was..... We got rid of the Open Class in 1993, so why are we racing 450cc?

CLASSES:
- 125cc two stroke
- 250cc two-stroke - the BEST platform ever developed / 250cc four-stroke

( Maybe adjust the 250cc four-stroke up to a 300cc, 325cc, if not competitive. When the double displacement rule was enacted, four-strokes were not the 'new" technology. ie. titanium valves, 5 valves, fuel injected, etc. )

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8/23/2013 5:35 AM

125cc Two Stroke

250 Four Stroke

Upto 450 Any Stroke class

Keep everyone happy!

No sure about the 18 yr and over rule, the kids will just spend just as much time off school getting ready for the big Amateur events anyway, just means that they will be racing them for a couple of extra years!

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8/23/2013 5:37 AM

1. A production 150 2-stroke/ 200 4-Stroke class w/ a $10,000 claim rule for riders age 16-18
2. 150 2 stroke/ 200 4 stroke pro class riders 18+ with no maximum age have to move up after 3 top-3 championship finishes
3. 250 2 stroke/ 350 4 stroke pro class open...full on works bike allowed.

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8/23/2013 5:39 AM

Crush wrote:

18 year old rule works for most I think, but perhaps they could work out a points system to move up? Cause some of them would ...more

thefactorypilot wrote:

uh wasnt RC almost 18 at his first pro nat?

Don't think so... although i'm recalling this off a memory of an MXA caption of him kicking ass as a 17 year old in his first full year...

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Cheers, Crush
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8/23/2013 5:50 AM
Edited Date/Time: 8/23/2013 5:58 AM

Come on lads! Carmichael was born in November '79 and turned pro in '96 (raced Steel City). Let your High School edumacation do the math.tongue

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8/23/2013 6:10 AM

If the 18 rule doesnt work for you, make them pass an entrance exam to get a pro license

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8/23/2013 6:32 AM

EZZA 95B wrote:

Come on lads! Carmichael was born in November '79 and turned pro in '96 (raced Steel City). Let your High School edumacation ...more

I still had to count on my fingers! haha tho I may be slightly pissed

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8/23/2013 6:36 AM

Up to 250cc any stroke. Open any stroke. Leave the age rule alone.

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8/23/2013 6:38 AM

EZZA 95B wrote:

Come on lads! Carmichael was born in November '79 and turned pro in '96 (raced Steel City). Let your High School edumacation ...more

Crush wrote:

I still had to count on my fingers! haha tho I may be slightly pissed

No worries, I've had a few brews too. Cheers.w00t

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8/23/2013 6:54 AM

It won't happen but make the Japanese OEMs manufacture more models like KTM does or get further behind:

SX

175cc limit

350cc limit

Outdoor

175cc limit

350cc limit

Open (no limits up or down)

Run the 350cc class and the Open class half of the rounds each like they used to or run all three classes. Of course running all three classes won't work unless they can expand the TV time.

KTM's variety of bikes and displacement seems to work well. Bottom line is dollars but KTM seems to be making the dollars with their approach, and they aren't BNG models either.

The hop-up shops would benefit too for those interested.

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8/23/2013 7:03 AM
Edited Date/Time: 8/23/2013 7:04 AM

240 and under any stroke, limited to pipe and suspension mods (no A-kits).

250 and up any stroke, stock frame and engine cases, otherwise mod it!

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8/23/2013 7:20 AM

Feeder class 2stroke up to 135cc and 4stroke p to 205cc
Premier class 2stroke up to 255cc and 4stroke up to 360cc
Tomac, RV, and Stewart has shown us that the small bikes
have enough power. I think we need to down size the bikes.
I don't think bringing the 450s to 360cc will see a change in lap
times 1 bit. But might show some closer racing.
Also, the feeder class, the riders should not be doing all the
same obstacles and lap times as the premier class.
I think the bikes have just gotten so good that your choices
are more gnarly obstacles which we will see more career ending
injuries or reign in the power.
TM

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8/23/2013 7:24 AM
Edited Date/Time: 8/23/2013 7:24 AM

I like how they use petition with drag racers to say they are qualified to go pro or move to the next level. Then you have the racers qualifying if the racer is ready to run pro.

So what this means is an amateur would have to get 3 signatures from other pros to say he or she is ready to race pro.

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8/23/2013 7:27 AM
Edited Date/Time: 8/23/2013 7:34 AM

reded wrote:

125
250
500
Any stroke
Cannot turn pro until 18 with high school diploma or equivalent in hand.

Of course it helps if one is able to count to Eleventeen and sign their name with anything other than an X. They should read this before turning pro and turn up with a 2 stroke.wink Photo

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8/23/2013 8:36 AM

125 class. In the pro ranks it would be a claimer class, and it would be for a single 20 minute +2 moto.
250 class.
Open class, up to 500cc's.

Once you move to the 250 or open class, a HS diploma or GED is required.
Each mfg can have a true works bike every 5 years. Otherwise stock frame and cases.

125- 180 lb min
250- 200 lb min
open- 220 lb min

Strict noise rules.
Unleaded fuel, but with the same limits as pump gas (current rules are more stringent than the govt limit- technically you could be out of spec by running pump gas).


I would actually prefer to have just a 125 and 250 class, but that puts larger riders (Peick, Mookie, etc) at a disadvantage, even on a 250 2-stroke. Additionally, I can certainly see the benefit of having 450-500cc bikes available to the general consumer for things like reliability, hill climbs, 275+ pound riders, etc.). The majority of weekend riders are physically bigger than the pro's, and that bears considering.

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8/23/2013 8:45 AM
Edited Date/Time: 8/23/2013 8:48 AM

SUPERCROSS -2 & 4 stroke
125cc East & West
250cc Big Boys.

NATIONAL -2 & 4 stroke
250cc
450cc

If KTM can build all of these bikes why can't everyone else?
These combinations would put the track back into the SX racing and increase rider safety some, and allow the riders to use more than 2 gears.
They would also open up the 2 stroke market again saving some people tons of money to come back and race.
Outdoors would be perfect for the big thumps, and give the lites guys a chance to wring out a 250cc in prep to transfer up to the big boy class when they get to that point. It will never happen cause it makes too much sense.
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8/23/2013 9:18 AM

Pro at 18
SUPERCROSS
250-2 or 4 stroke
500 2 or 4 stroke

MOTOCROSS
150 2 stroke 16-18 boys/ all age girls
250 2 or 4 stroke
500 2 or 4 stroke

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8/23/2013 9:41 AM

Unfortunately there is not room for a three class system with the emphasis being on tv these days. Ultimaltely I'd like to see 125, 250, and open. With the tv coverage limits I would settle for 125, and 250. Strokes or no strokes I don't care. Age limit 18 with a legit diploma.
The 125 class not being a part of modern mx is just a big glaring hole in our sport. It's just not right to think a kid coming off a supermini is supposed to hop on a eight thousand dollar, 40 horsepower, 225 pound machine! What the hell is everybody thinking?
So the 125 is a great bridge, but it's more than that. What was better than watching top pros like Barnett, Glover, Hannah, Ward, Henry etc. riding a bike for all it was worth? Pinned wide open, having to use smart lines and charging every second of the race, that was the best racing of all.

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8/23/2013 9:58 AM

165cc 2 stroke and 200cc 4 stroke
300cc 2 stroke and 350cc 4 stroke

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8/23/2013 10:37 AM

reded wrote:

125
250
500
Any stroke
Cannot turn pro until 18 with high school diploma or equivalent in hand.

^^This -- because simple is good. No displacement handicaps for 2 vs 4-strokes. The 125s would be nothing but smokers; the 250s would be a mix; and the open class bikes would probably still be predominately 4 strokes. What's wrong with letting the market sort itself out without meddling with displacement?

I'd only replace the "500" with "open". Let them run literally anything. Diesel, turbine, rubber bands, sport bike engines,...

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8/23/2013 10:46 AM

I think waiting until year 18 to turn Pro would backfire, just more time in the Amateurs (making the transition to Pro even harder, look at Jason Anderson) and doing the same ineffective "home school" curriculum for a little longer.

If it were up to me, you can turn Pro at age 16, BUT, you must have a GED or have Graduated with a High School diploma early. In most States, you can take the GED test at age 16, with special provisions. Why not expect a little more from these guys academically? If they don't turn Pro or don't make it as a Pro (which many or most don't), then they're slightly ahead of the curve when it comes to academics, so they're aren't destined to sweep up shavings at motorcycle shops or flip burgers for the rest of their lives should the motocross dream not come into fruition.

As far as classes:

150cc Two Stroke Farm League/ Pro Entry Level class, Outdoors only (mandatory half season straight out of Loretta's, acquiring a certain amount of points before eligible for 250cc or 450cc Premier class Outdoors or Supercross)

250cc Class, Outdoors and Supercross (cc for cc with two/ four strokes). Two Outdoor Championships and you move on to the premier class, just like Regional Supercross.

450cc class, 450cc four strokes and for the daring, 500cc two strokes as well. Premiere class.

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