If this is the future....

just James
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1/22/2018 7:20am
I was looking forward to it, but like I said earlier, I did not end up liking it. Will be interesting to see if it is any better on a different track.
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1/22/2018 7:31am
the format was awesome in person.

i think they should toss in a 125 class with 2 moto’s.

the crowd would love hearing those bikes in the stadiums.
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1/22/2018 7:37am
I liked it and I unlike Matthes liked the varied main lengths. I think most are just thrown off by the newness of it.
1/22/2018 7:48am
6 races, 3 hours
Hour 1 - 16 minutes of racing
Hour 2 - 24 minutes of racing
Hour 3 - 29 minutes of racing

Throw the 450 LCQ in the first hour and the rest isn't that bad .

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1/22/2018 7:54am
Found it interesting after watching the 250/450 press conferences after the race the 250's seemed to like/be ok with the format. Tomac and Anderson bitched and complained about it.
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1/22/2018 7:58am
Keep it unique, special if you will. 3 rounds a year is perfect. Change an East/West 250 showdown to this format as well. More gate drops, more minutes should equate to more points too for these rounds. Double the total points available for these rounds and pay points per moto.

I like the variety. Maybe mix in a couple 2 moto format races too with more minutes per and points paid for each.
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1/22/2018 8:10am
Thought it was fantastic. Showed the endurance guys that STARTS are part of the race. You want a better finish get a better start. Was good to see good starters get some SHINE time. Getting 3rd or 4th from a bad start IS salvaging a race.

To think Feld needs to come to Vital for ideas when DC has already spoke up with some solid advice. Dude is sharp and on the ball.

Would be cool to see an E bike main event tossed into program to eliminate dead time. I would think Hill and Durham would be into that and possibly luring some guys into becoming E bike specialist.
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sam hain wrote:
Found it interesting after watching the 250/450 press conferences after the race the 250's seemed to like/be ok with the format. Tomac and Anderson bitched and...
Found it interesting after watching the 250/450 press conferences after the race the 250's seemed to like/be ok with the format. Tomac and Anderson bitched and complained about it.
Roczen didn't like it. I suspect they were told to not complain.
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1/22/2018 8:33am
Crush wrote:
If you have access to the full show, go back and watch the event from 2nd Motos on. Timeline is much tighter and more entertaining.
Noticed the improvement during the broadcast! Virtually nothing happened in first hour or so.

Heres another complaint. What is this Triple Crown Champion crap? I didn't know they'd cooked that up. A 3 race 'champion'?!?! Champion of what?

I suspect this will evolve into more races next year. There's only 3 this year cuz its a trial. Then what?

Lets see...its Monster Energy SX....Monster Energy Cup. Hmmmm.....
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1/22/2018 8:37am
I still think they should park the tractors once the night program starts. So what if the tracks beat up, at least some different lines would develop. Not to mention the time it takes. Run a moto, interview the winner, line up the next class and drop the gate. It doesn't need to be 3 hours. Wouldn't a 2 hour tv show attract more viewers ? The biggest complaint we hear is too much downtime. So we might only get to see the same commercials 6 times instead of 9, is that a deal breaker ?
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1/22/2018 8:42am Edited Date/Time 1/22/2018 9:03am
Mit12 wrote:
I enjoy watching SX “live” more than any other form of racing. This format has way to much down time. If this format is going to...
I enjoy watching SX “live” more than any other form of racing. This format has way to much down time. If this format is going to be the new thing, I will be forced to DVR the race and watch it using fast forward to get through the hour of commercials. The racing is great but the show is boring.
^^^ This. I was at the stadiums but left after the 2nd main as there was just too much wasted time. Went to get nachos but they even started to close those down around the end of the 2nd main. Facing another 45 minute wait I decided to miss the traffic and head home to watch the end. Got home to start watching it from the beginning and the amount of commercial/nonsense time was painful even with fast forward. The racing itsel was great with a little added intensity. In the normal stadium format the night builds in intensity to the main events. In this format there is an attempt to build audience intensity for each race. I think they will find that once the novelty of the format passes that the overall evening might remain a little flat as it will be difficult to maintain that level of audience excitement over 3 hours with all the down time. IMHO, for this new format to succeed they are going to have to find something to fill the down time besides the KTM jr challenge and about 40 minutes of commercials.

However, if they were to go to 3 “mains” of equal length maybe 12 minutes for the 450s and 10 minutes for the 250s and perhaps start the evening with the lCQs I think they’d have a much better program. The first short mains are too biased to the start, the last longer mains about the same as what normally exists. The mid length mains allow enough time for a good rider with a bad start to make up some ground.

Overall, I’d give the actual races 2 thumbs up but the night in general just a lukewarm reception. Just some thoughts ....
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1/22/2018 8:45am
I didnt like the format. Between the racing and freezing it was a not good. It got boring and lacked excitement by the end. First time in 37 years i couldnt wait for the last race to be done.
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1/22/2018 8:47am
People who watched on T.V = Hated it

People who were in person = some liked it

I fucking loved it, got to see the top dawgs race 3 times instead of a just a got damn heat race and then there main event.

people who are talking about the LCQ... Which was ran during the day like the old great times of day qualifiers.
The 450 lcq was a snooze fest... Chad Reed ran away with it... literally gapped the field like MC and was gone.
250cc lcq was good, was a ibcorp show, until a pileup in the small whoop section after the triple.. took one of them out..No way was he going to make up all those positions in 5mins..That race was close, and one guy got stuffed last turn for the other dude to qualify.

If you were there, and they waited until night to have the lcq you would've had a time gap from like 3pm - 7pm....

Personally i loved the format, the sprint races first moto.. then it gradually gets longer... idk about you goons in here, but that is hard.. to be at your best then have to increase the length each time you race.. I also like the fact that the riders are not completely fucked if they have a crash and can redeem themselves....if you crash out, you can get back to pits get your bike fixed... get a shot of toridol and be ready to battle again, like the warrior spirit this sport is.... Instead of crashing out and being complete hosed until the following week.

Also fyi the T.V. Director sucked ass for the tv viewers.. there were alot of battles and passes going on... for instance in moto #2... seely was on tomacs ass until he made a mistake... on the opposite side of the track bagget was making some moves.. literally almost simultaneously.... so the racing was intense and good, just probably not what you saw on tv..

btw i also like crash compilations as well hahah
1/22/2018 8:55am
I wasn't a fan of the format. It's too hard to keep track of points and positions between the three races. It makes it difficult to get into the racing when you don't know if a pass will effect the overall or not. I wouldn't be opposed to trying something similar to the outdoor format with two main events of 15 min for the 450's and 10's for the 250's. Two main events would make it much easier to keep track of points ans stay engaged in the racing. Another thing I noticed when Anderson ran down and passed Tomac it should have been something exciting and it really wasn't It didn't effect the overall at all. On a side note it would be cool to see data from the last few seasons and see how the points/standing would have been effected if they awarded points for the fastest qualifier and holeshots.
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1/22/2018 9:22am
This all goes back to last years wine fest about points. Vital wanted a way to close up the championship because “certain riders” dug a hole and couldn’t easily get out off it... vital was very adimant that the fastest shouldn’t be handicapped by one bad race.

A new format is presented that created imo great racing all night and can potentially shake up the championship but now this format isn’t fair to those who aren’t strong starters I.e fan favorites

Maybe those who aren’t strong starters should work on that skill?

Am I in the ballpark with my thinking?

Personally I would rather watch every race matter instead of watching someone lay up in 5th place to qualify for the main, everyone is racing balls out for 3 main/motos. How can that be a bad thing?
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1/22/2018 9:25am
Oh we also need to extend heat races now.. it’s not fair if the fan favorite doesn’t get a good start.
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1/22/2018 9:28am Edited Date/Time 1/22/2018 9:28am
6 motos with the top guys in each one....I loved it.

No offense to the privateers but I have no interest in tuning in to watch the 23-40 talent pool. I enjoy seeing them in person in daytime qualifiers but not on TV
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1/22/2018 9:39am
I'll tell you what I think of it.... right after this commercial break.
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1/22/2018 9:43am
I liked the format but it did have its problems. Why group the races then have a super long break? Why not space theracing so no break is more than 7-10 minutes between racing? This needs to be done for the normal programming too. It seems like forever between heats and lcqs.

I like the different length mains, but now i think the normal races should be 30+1. I think if they did this on a regular basis the riders would be better able to strategize and compete.

Personally I don't have a problem with changing the format of supercross races because it is a manufactured form of racing anyway since the track is built and destroyed in 1 week. I think they could sprinkle in another format or 2. I would love to see the following.
5 traditional but 30+1
4 triple crown
5 2x20+1
3 knockouts (take 15 per heat to semis, 11 per semi to main, main is 20+1)
1/22/2018 9:57am
Very well said. Your observation "... main event where the superstar checks out and wins by 10+ seconds and after lap 2 or 3 the winner...
Very well said. Your observation "... main event where the superstar checks out and wins by 10+ seconds and after lap 2 or 3 the winner is already decided..." is exactly why Supercross is so boring for most people. I loved the format last night. All riders had to run hard for the entire race, had to be consistent, very little downtime.
rob162 wrote:
You can not use the excuse of it bores thexfans when millions of people tune into nascar indy f1 and LMP. Those races are the epitome...
You can not use the excuse of it bores thexfans when millions of people tune into nascar indy f1 and LMP. Those races are the epitome of boring and watching paint dry type of racing ( save for tracks like Bristol, Talladega ect.) An they have tons of more veiwers then we do.

Honestly what i feel our sport lacks to keep veiwers is the one thing we can never change. Is career longevity.
Did you ever go to to a NASCAR race in the 60's/early 70's? They seldom used caution flags. If somebody spun and could continue, there was no caution. I was at the Bristol race in 73, when Cale Yarborough led 500 laps and ended up winning by almost 3 laps. Boring as hell. Now, they invent reasons for caution flags to regroup the front cars. Not real racing, but it does make for exciting finishes when they regroup the field (almost every race) with less than 10 laps left. Imagine a Supercross race reset with 3 laps left .... horrible for the racers, but would be a lot more entertaining to watch.
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1/22/2018 1:11pm
KennyT wrote:
6 motos with the top guys in each one....I loved it. No offense to the privateers but I have no interest in tuning in to watch...
6 motos with the top guys in each one....I loved it.

No offense to the privateers but I have no interest in tuning in to watch the 23-40 talent pool. I enjoy seeing them in person in daytime qualifiers but not on TV
Yeah, I enjoy watching time qualifying too. A concern I'd have if the series changed completely to this format is that it would probably shrink the rider pool. How many riders would go through the effort and expense to show up if all they got to participate in would be 2 timed qualifying sessions with little or no possibility of actually racing before the night crowds. Might have a negative effect on future rider development.
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put the LCQs in the night program so that the privateers get some air time and are involved in the evening program. Find something else to do during so much of the down time and I think it would be alright. I would prefer 2 longer races over 3 of varying lengths for the mains though.
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From Racer X

Question for all three: supercross tried a change tonight. Can you imagine doing a whole series with that format? Maybe would two races be better, do you think?

Tomac: I think the field would struggle to make it throughout the whole season. I think you’d probably see more injuries. When you add two extra starts and that much pressure and everyone on the line, there’s quite a bit more risk involved. I think that in a whole season wouldn't be a good thing.

Anderson: Way too hectic for 18 rounds of that. No way. It’s kind of scary, honestly. One start a night with all the top guys is one thing. Tonight, doing three starts with everyone, it is pretty crazy. Those first laps, if you’re not one or two, you don’t know if you’re going to hit the triple, or if you’re going to double it. It’s pretty scary, but at the same time it’s probably a little bit more action for the fans, but for us it is hectic doing three starts.

Seely: Also, I took a look at practice times and it was like a second between, I think, Jason was first and Dean was 14th. So, one second separated all the way back, and not behind him was the cut for who had to go to the LCQ. It definitely makes for an exciting night for sure, but it’s very unforgiving.
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1/22/2018 3:16pm
I liked it better than I thought I would. I thought the racing was much more intense. I did go to A1 and like that format live. Not sure I would want to see the triple crown format live though. DVR it, start watching about 8:30 and its all good.
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1/22/2018 3:22pm Edited Date/Time 1/22/2018 3:24pm
I enjoyed the racing. It was a different format and I thought it was fun watching everyone sprint it out. Yes there were added commercial breaks, but that is what fishing forums and Instagram are for.....If they improve the tracks with more passing opportunities the next two races, it could be awesome!

450 Podium: Tomac, Seely, Anderson
250 Podium: Savatgy, Mcelrath, Craig

So, did the format really ruin the racing? I mean each podium had ZERO surprises at the end of the night.
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1/22/2018 4:02pm Edited Date/Time 1/22/2018 4:04pm
Indy mxer wrote:
Very well said!! I loved it but It could use some tweaks. Much better than a 20 lap snooze fest. Seeing the LCQ's would be cool...
Very well said!!
I loved it but It could use some tweaks. Much better than a 20 lap snooze fest.
Seeing the LCQ's would be cool though.

Sports have to evolve or they get stale and die out.
The NFL is always looking for ways to improve their product. Even though their ratings are huge and dwarf everything else.
Even MLB, which is always resistant to change, is looking for ways to make the games faster and more exciting.

I'm also a longtime NASCAR fan. I heard the same bitching from closed minded fans about the chase and stage racing.
But it's worked. The racing has never been better or more intense. Drivers are racing their asses off for points and to get in the chase.
Still they're fighting to get better ratings.
Tuning yes, such dramatic changes? Nah. I think it's kinda funny because that is such an American wah of thinking. Look at soccer for a different example.

Personally I'm not a fan of it. Guess I'm more to the conservative side when it come to most sports, and specially motocross that is closest to my heart. Felt too much like a circus as some already has stated. I'm also one of those who wants more motocross and less supercross
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1/22/2018 4:44pm
brocster wrote:
Thought it was fantastic. Showed the endurance guys that STARTS are part of the race. You want a better finish get a better start. Was good...
Thought it was fantastic. Showed the endurance guys that STARTS are part of the race. You want a better finish get a better start. Was good to see good starters get some SHINE time. Getting 3rd or 4th from a bad start IS salvaging a race.

To think Feld needs to come to Vital for ideas when DC has already spoke up with some solid advice. Dude is sharp and on the ball.

Would be cool to see an E bike main event tossed into program to eliminate dead time. I would think Hill and Durham would be into that and possibly luring some guys into becoming E bike specialist.
An Alta sponsored 2 moto format to fill in the gaps would be awesome!

I am sure they could find 6-10 pro level riders (or "former" pro riders) willing to give Alta a try. I would think Alta would be willing to put up some bikes and purse money for the exposure.

We all know e-bikes are coming in one form or another, so this would be a good "test" and let people see that e-bikes could be competitive and put on a show. And if it was former "pro" riders they would have enough experience to handle a true SX track (unlike 125cc riders who would have had very limited SX experience and could turn into a crash fest).

It would mean Feld would have to cut out a few commercial breaks, but if Alta is putting in some cash that could off set the commercial revenue lost (I would guess?).

But who wouldn't rather see an e-bike exhibition race than the same commercials 6 times in a row?
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KennyT wrote:
6 motos with the top guys in each one....I loved it. No offense to the privateers but I have no interest in tuning in to watch...
6 motos with the top guys in each one....I loved it.

No offense to the privateers but I have no interest in tuning in to watch the 23-40 talent pool. I enjoy seeing them in person in daytime qualifiers but not on TV
dkg wrote:
Yeah, I enjoy watching time qualifying too. A concern I'd have if the series changed completely to this format is that it would probably shrink the...
Yeah, I enjoy watching time qualifying too. A concern I'd have if the series changed completely to this format is that it would probably shrink the rider pool. How many riders would go through the effort and expense to show up if all they got to participate in would be 2 timed qualifying sessions with little or no possibility of actually racing before the night crowds. Might have a negative effect on future rider development.
I completely agree that it may affect the privateers desire to head to a SX. However that is where the AX series comes into play. I have ridden long enough to know that the last place qualifier is a extremely talented rider. But look st the times between those riders and the top dogs. They are so far apart it is ridiculous. Maybe those riders aren’t ready for prime time SX
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1/22/2018 5:52pm
Spydee wrote:
I'll tell you what I think of it.... right after this commercial break.
LaughingLaughingLaughing Hahahaha
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1/22/2018 6:42pm Edited Date/Time 1/22/2018 6:43pm
brocster wrote:
Thought it was fantastic. Showed the endurance guys that STARTS are part of the race. You want a better finish get a better start. Was good...
Thought it was fantastic. Showed the endurance guys that STARTS are part of the race. You want a better finish get a better start. Was good to see good starters get some SHINE time. Getting 3rd or 4th from a bad start IS salvaging a race.

To think Feld needs to come to Vital for ideas when DC has already spoke up with some solid advice. Dude is sharp and on the ball.

Would be cool to see an E bike main event tossed into program to eliminate dead time. I would think Hill and Durham would be into that and possibly luring some guys into becoming E bike specialist.
AZ35 wrote:
An Alta sponsored 2 moto format to fill in the gaps would be awesome! I am sure they could find 6-10 pro level riders (or "former"...
An Alta sponsored 2 moto format to fill in the gaps would be awesome!

I am sure they could find 6-10 pro level riders (or "former" pro riders) willing to give Alta a try. I would think Alta would be willing to put up some bikes and purse money for the exposure.

We all know e-bikes are coming in one form or another, so this would be a good "test" and let people see that e-bikes could be competitive and put on a show. And if it was former "pro" riders they would have enough experience to handle a true SX track (unlike 125cc riders who would have had very limited SX experience and could turn into a crash fest).

It would mean Feld would have to cut out a few commercial breaks, but if Alta is putting in some cash that could off set the commercial revenue lost (I would guess?).

But who wouldn't rather see an e-bike exhibition race than the same commercials 6 times in a row?
Alta can win against anything out there, a separate class is an insult.

And I am out on DC's idea of LCQ's in the big show. There is no need for them, just take the top 22 and move on. Stop making me watch the slow guys.

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