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1/26/2012 5:27am
I believe we are all getting robbed for our money. If they can make a two stroke with new technology faster cheaper and more reliable why don't they just give it to us.
in both NZ and Aussie where the rules have been changed only a very few can make a 250 2t run with the top 250F's,
The Shop
DC has already taken a step forward and in the right direction.
racers are pretty even with the parity.
tracks and rider habits make a paticular 250 better then another.
pro level.
well they say it's not "fair" but really no matter what, it's not what the sponsors sell. so the point is mute. you won't see 2 strokes in pro racing with the way it is now, and really who cares, as long as we have a place for them, for the bulk of the riders, thats all we need.
it's business.
last year when NO one bought the bikes, they simply raised the parts prices up 50-60%, so they will make what they can how they can. Its funny how so many bow down to the "plan" and then defend it, say it's helicopters what ever.
The simple fact was they couldn't "polish" the 2 stroke anymore, they couldn't make it
"cool", so they re-invented another type of bike to sell. Marketing 101.
They make more money on a thumper, and they will continue to until someone starts busting out a cheaper, reliable, rideable machine with a good support of parts. Chinese will do it, just will take some time. We need an entry bike for young adults that is affordable, durable, and less then minimal maintanance needed.......
We are losing our sport one rebuild at a time, one crash at a time. Of course us "old" folks don't know what we are talking about and well we just aren't up with the times.
I want to see electrics and soon, it really will be another facet of our sport to help bring back riders.
just another smoker thread........
Four strokes fucked this sport in many different ways.
If you 2-stroke heads want them back on the market and in pro racing make a stink to the OEMs, not us. We as a forum can't and don't do anything but bitch to each other in our own little micro-world. These threads mean nothing in any sort of constructive big picture. No big 4 OEM CEO is going to look at this forum and take this crap seriously, sorry.
bobbym
They'll pull their factory team and support, take their ball and go home. (this might be but)
Where would they "go"?
bobbym
If you want an example of where they'll "go" if you piss them off look at AMA road racing. You see any factory support there besides Suzuki? Honda pulled out COMPLETELY. They supply zero support to any rider on that grid. If you burn your bridge OEMs will leave.
I did my part last Friday by purchasing a new 2010 KTM 250sx... My local dealer is scrambling to get their hands on every 2 stroke 125/250 they can because they are selling, even at full retail, while the 4 stroke models sit stagnant.
The people buying new dirt bikes typically buy new ones every 1 to 2 years. Dirt bikes get beat-up pretty quick, skilled riders feel a need to replace them frequently (2 stroke or 4 stroke). The arguement that 2 strokes weren't selling anymore isn't valid.
There's plenty of technology that can still be put into 2 strokes. EFI, Electric Start, Direct Injection - basically all the current advancements in 4 strokes can also apply to 2 strokes. So they haven't reached their technology ceiling.
4 strokes took over because the AMA allowed them to be double the displacement of a 2 stroke. Yamaha realized they could make a very competitive 4 stroke using that rule & it was only encouraged because 4 strokes burn cleaner than current 2 strokes.
The competitive power is one thing, but few realized how much more tractable the power would be which has given the 4 strokes a huge advantage. I say make them equal displacements, it will make for much more exciting racing.
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