If Roczen or Tomac ever win the SX Championship, they will be the most experienced first time winner in history

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Right now, that record is held by Jeff Emig, who won the 97 SX Championship in his 6th full SX season on the big bikes. He had ridden some select races prior, but wasn’t a full time 250 SX rider until 92. Roczen and Tomac are entering their 7th full SX season on the big bike, as they were both rookies in 2014.

Since Emig, our first time winners have been:

Carmichael: 2001, 3rd season

Reed: 2004, 2nd season

Stewart: 2007, 3rd season

Dungey: 2010, 1st season

Villopoto: 2011, 3rd season

Anderson: 2018, 4th season

Webb: 2019, 3rd season

It’s extremely rare for anyone to win their first big bike SX Championship past their 5th season. Tomac and Roczen are obviously more than capable of doing so.
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Conversely, if they don't win, how much money has been spent on them , to not win?

Is it possible they never will?



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philG wrote:
Conversely, if they don't win, how much money has been spent on them , to not win?

Is it possible they never will?



Phil by the time rewind rolls around you and I can drink a shit load of beers and discuss it, just do me a favor and work on your boston accent beforehand
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TDeath21 wrote:
Right now, that record is held by Jeff Emig, who won the 97 SX Championship in his 6th full SX season on the big bikes. He...
Right now, that record is held by Jeff Emig, who won the 97 SX Championship in his 6th full SX season on the big bikes. He had ridden some select races prior, but wasn’t a full time 250 SX rider until 92. Roczen and Tomac are entering their 7th full SX season on the big bike, as they were both rookies in 2014.

Since Emig, our first time winners have been:

Carmichael: 2001, 3rd season

Reed: 2004, 2nd season

Stewart: 2007, 3rd season

Dungey: 2010, 1st season

Villopoto: 2011, 3rd season

Anderson: 2018, 4th season

Webb: 2019, 3rd season

It’s extremely rare for anyone to win their first big bike SX Championship past their 5th season. Tomac and Roczen are obviously more than capable of doing so.
Listen to the stats, neither one of them will win the championship. Cooper Webb won 7 races last year, I don't see what would stop him from doing that again and staying even more consistent.
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The window is certainly closing. Ill say tomac still looks like hes getting better. If you look at his race craft and consistency in each series from 2017 to 2019 outdoors its certainly improved. 19sx was a bad sample due to injury.
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TDeath21 wrote:
Right now, that record is held by Jeff Emig, who won the 97 SX Championship in his 6th full SX season on the big bikes. He...
Right now, that record is held by Jeff Emig, who won the 97 SX Championship in his 6th full SX season on the big bikes. He had ridden some select races prior, but wasn’t a full time 250 SX rider until 92. Roczen and Tomac are entering their 7th full SX season on the big bike, as they were both rookies in 2014.

Since Emig, our first time winners have been:

Carmichael: 2001, 3rd season

Reed: 2004, 2nd season

Stewart: 2007, 3rd season

Dungey: 2010, 1st season

Villopoto: 2011, 3rd season

Anderson: 2018, 4th season

Webb: 2019, 3rd season

It’s extremely rare for anyone to win their first big bike SX Championship past their 5th season. Tomac and Roczen are obviously more than capable of doing so.
tprice07 wrote:
Listen to the stats, neither one of them will win the championship. Cooper Webb won 7 races last year, I don't see what would stop him...
Listen to the stats, neither one of them will win the championship. Cooper Webb won 7 races last year, I don't see what would stop him from doing that again and staying even more consistent.
If KR94 would have listened to the stats of a pro athlete coming back from a potential career ending injury, he wouldn't have made a comeback & won races last yr. in MX. I'm a firm believer in you can't question a persons heart or determination. The right person can & will defy the odds..
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Didn't RV win races in his rookie year of 2009?
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TDeath21 wrote:
Right now, that record is held by Jeff Emig, who won the 97 SX Championship in his 6th full SX season on the big bikes. He...
Right now, that record is held by Jeff Emig, who won the 97 SX Championship in his 6th full SX season on the big bikes. He had ridden some select races prior, but wasn’t a full time 250 SX rider until 92. Roczen and Tomac are entering their 7th full SX season on the big bike, as they were both rookies in 2014.

Since Emig, our first time winners have been:

Carmichael: 2001, 3rd season

Reed: 2004, 2nd season

Stewart: 2007, 3rd season

Dungey: 2010, 1st season

Villopoto: 2011, 3rd season

Anderson: 2018, 4th season

Webb: 2019, 3rd season

It’s extremely rare for anyone to win their first big bike SX Championship past their 5th season. Tomac and Roczen are obviously more than capable of doing so.
A lot of racing happened before 2000. Jeff Ward has them beat.
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TDeath21 wrote:
Right now, that record is held by Jeff Emig, who won the 97 SX Championship in his 6th full SX season on the big bikes. He...
Right now, that record is held by Jeff Emig, who won the 97 SX Championship in his 6th full SX season on the big bikes. He had ridden some select races prior, but wasn’t a full time 250 SX rider until 92. Roczen and Tomac are entering their 7th full SX season on the big bike, as they were both rookies in 2014.

Since Emig, our first time winners have been:

Carmichael: 2001, 3rd season

Reed: 2004, 2nd season

Stewart: 2007, 3rd season

Dungey: 2010, 1st season

Villopoto: 2011, 3rd season

Anderson: 2018, 4th season

Webb: 2019, 3rd season

It’s extremely rare for anyone to win their first big bike SX Championship past their 5th season. Tomac and Roczen are obviously more than capable of doing so.
UpTiTe wrote:
A lot of racing happened before 2000. Jeff Ward has them beat.
They hadn’t offered a smaller bike class as a stepping stone yet had they? A bit different for sure and definitely messes with the numbers. But yes you are technically correct as I believe he won it in his 7th big bike SX season.
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Only 2 riders have won the Supercross Championship when they were older than 26; Jeremy McGrath at 28 and Pierre Karsmakers at 27. Tomac is 27 and Roczen is 25. Karsmakers doesn't really count because things were too different back then. For Tomac, the odds (and statistics) are against him, he may have missed his window. For Roczen, it's do or die time.

https://racerxonline.com/2016/11/30/the-list-oldest-sx-title-winners
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“It is extremely rare”


You act like humans have been racing dirt bikes since the Stone Age
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Brayton won his first SX race nearly 10 years older than these stats posted above. It wasn’t a championship but I don’t think these stats are hard and fast rules like some of you are treating them.
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I get that Roczen or Tomac winning would go against history but, I think this is a little different situation. Roczen is up to speed with his health problems behind him and Tomac looks to be as fast as ever. If Tomac gets off to a good start, (he currently doesn't have any injuries plus his bike is already setup from last year) I believe everyone will be chasing these two.
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snackfedbear wrote:
“It is extremely rare”


You act like humans have been racing dirt bikes since the Stone Age
Not only that ET is only 27 yrs. old which is still young IMHO. He is more than capable of winning many races with his raw speed when he needs to turn it up a notch. I see a more mature rider if anything & believe he will pull from his past 2 yrs. of SX experience. He could have already been a 2 time champ if it wouldn’t have been for some mental errors.
My money is on KR or ET to win the SX title this year. They’re both hungry & have the skills / speed to get it done.
Either way it’s shaping up to be a really good SX season for us as fans.
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Not only that ET is only 27 yrs. old which is still young IMHO. He is more than capable of winning many races with his raw...
Not only that ET is only 27 yrs. old which is still young IMHO. He is more than capable of winning many races with his raw speed when he needs to turn it up a notch. I see a more mature rider if anything & believe he will pull from his past 2 yrs. of SX experience. He could have already been a 2 time champ if it wouldn’t have been for some mental errors.
My money is on KR or ET to win the SX title this year. They’re both hungry & have the skills / speed to get it done.
Either way it’s shaping up to be a really good SX season for us as fans.
I’m hoping for a championship battle like the national season when they were on 250s. That was probably one of the best championship battles I’ve seen. I wanna say it was 2012.
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Mugeneco 1/4/2020 9:10am
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PVB wrote:
Only 2 riders have won the Supercross Championship when they were older than 26; Jeremy McGrath at 28 and Pierre Karsmakers at 27. Tomac is 27...
Only 2 riders have won the Supercross Championship when they were older than 26; Jeremy McGrath at 28 and Pierre Karsmakers at 27. Tomac is 27 and Roczen is 25. Karsmakers doesn't really count because things were too different back then. For Tomac, the odds (and statistics) are against him, he may have missed his window. For Roczen, it's do or die time.

https://racerxonline.com/2016/11/30/the-list-oldest-sx-title-winners
Dungey was 27 when he won his last SX title ? your list need an update , its from 2016

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PVB wrote:
Only 2 riders have won the Supercross Championship when they were older than 26; Jeremy McGrath at 28 and Pierre Karsmakers at 27. Tomac is 27...
Only 2 riders have won the Supercross Championship when they were older than 26; Jeremy McGrath at 28 and Pierre Karsmakers at 27. Tomac is 27 and Roczen is 25. Karsmakers doesn't really count because things were too different back then. For Tomac, the odds (and statistics) are against him, he may have missed his window. For Roczen, it's do or die time.

https://racerxonline.com/2016/11/30/the-list-oldest-sx-title-winners
Mugeneco wrote:
Dungey was 27 when he won his last SX title ? your list need an update , its from 2016
Great point, I stand corrected. Maybe ET can pull it off still.
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PVB wrote:
Only 2 riders have won the Supercross Championship when they were older than 26; Jeremy McGrath at 28 and Pierre Karsmakers at 27. Tomac is 27...
Only 2 riders have won the Supercross Championship when they were older than 26; Jeremy McGrath at 28 and Pierre Karsmakers at 27. Tomac is 27 and Roczen is 25. Karsmakers doesn't really count because things were too different back then. For Tomac, the odds (and statistics) are against him, he may have missed his window. For Roczen, it's do or die time.

https://racerxonline.com/2016/11/30/the-list-oldest-sx-title-winners
Damn this makes me feel old. At 25 I feel young as ever. It really makes me think that maybe these guys are getting pushed too hard in their amateur careers, and then by the time some of them have the wisdom to actually succeed as a champion their body is too beat to make it a reality.
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