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on what size would it be? 75? 100?? It would have to be a four stroke in keeping with their mantra, but could they make it competative with the KTM but at or under the cost of the KTM50SX, which is no cheap thing?
The Honda NCF50 single OHC scooter engine, upright and chain driven is a great starting point perhaps with it's compact EFI system and reliable and cheap to run 2 valve layout at 4.9HP versus the KTM 8 point something. A little more opened up for close course could easily see it at 6HP. Perhaps a little more CC and a bit extra tuning would get it up to around 8 pretty easy but yes there would be a weight penalty.
Honda Fuel Injection System for Small Engines
Another entry level scenario would be just to keep the NCF50 EFI 4.9HP based engine, with a chassis similar to what KTM had a few years back with conventional damper rod Marzocchi forks, disc front and drum brake rear. A reliable and capable entry level 50cc that kids could ride all day for months on end yet still attack a jump without fear of snapping the frame or breaking wrists/ankles.could be upgraded with a kit that added say 75cc and a more aggressive cam and map, a rear disc kit, upgraded shock etc to be somewhat competative with the KTM50SX
Just interested in peoples thoughts. I've a 7yo who races BMX but also rides a CRF50 out to 88cc with stock exhaust as it's quiet for across from our house on vacant land where he rides it and super reliable and cheap to run/maintain compared to the KTM50, it's just a pile of shit handling machine for any kid trying to push themselves and this machine base. Options are limited and I got him off the PW50 before he broke it in two. He's also not quite tall enough for the next size machines. A 50SX senior would be ideal chassis wise. Maybe KTM can come up with a lower spec, decent handling, all day riding low maintenance and reliable but decent power output bike to fill this gap like they had with their mini trail back a few years? If I put my money on any company filling the void, it would have to be KTM.
The Honda NCF50 single OHC scooter engine, upright and chain driven is a great starting point perhaps with it's compact EFI system and reliable and cheap to run 2 valve layout at 4.9HP versus the KTM 8 point something. A little more opened up for close course could easily see it at 6HP. Perhaps a little more CC and a bit extra tuning would get it up to around 8 pretty easy but yes there would be a weight penalty.
Honda Fuel Injection System for Small Engines
Another entry level scenario would be just to keep the NCF50 EFI 4.9HP based engine, with a chassis similar to what KTM had a few years back with conventional damper rod Marzocchi forks, disc front and drum brake rear. A reliable and capable entry level 50cc that kids could ride all day for months on end yet still attack a jump without fear of snapping the frame or breaking wrists/ankles.could be upgraded with a kit that added say 75cc and a more aggressive cam and map, a rear disc kit, upgraded shock etc to be somewhat competative with the KTM50SX
Just interested in peoples thoughts. I've a 7yo who races BMX but also rides a CRF50 out to 88cc with stock exhaust as it's quiet for across from our house on vacant land where he rides it and super reliable and cheap to run/maintain compared to the KTM50, it's just a pile of shit handling machine for any kid trying to push themselves and this machine base. Options are limited and I got him off the PW50 before he broke it in two. He's also not quite tall enough for the next size machines. A 50SX senior would be ideal chassis wise. Maybe KTM can come up with a lower spec, decent handling, all day riding low maintenance and reliable but decent power output bike to fill this gap like they had with their mini trail back a few years? If I put my money on any company filling the void, it would have to be KTM.
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(directly from the production line anniversary rerun or something) they sold like hot cakes tho
Slightly off topic, but I'm not spending $4k for a 50sx...
Our sport doest need another high strung, high maintenance "entry level" machine.
It needs something a little updated from the pw 50.
A little stouter, for heavier and taller riders. With bulletproof engines, clutches, and suspension.
It needs to be at most, 7 hp, and it needs sanctioning and promoting organizations that will enforce strict stock rules.
Putting kids as young as 4 on machines with 9+ hp is idiocy.
What are these and where do you find them?
Thanks.
Basically the manufacturers hate to see my boy in the plus 50 class at Lorrettas getting 3rd in moto one on a 14 yr old yz125. Not part of their plan.
I would imagine there is a point where if unit sales dropped enough, they would have to start pushing two strokes again, but it would have to be way down there to the point where the mad money 4 stroke parts/service game was drying up. Take a long time for that to happen.
Im surprised yami still has a yz125 and yz 250.
http://www.ssrmotorsports.com/store/electric/srz800.php
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Put 10" wheels on one of these. We used to do that in Australia, if there were parity rules back then it would have made a great 50cc class bike.
Here's a shot of one. No problems with ground clearance. Good fun.
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