If He Had A Couple More Laps...

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1/16/2017 10:50am
It used to bother me when someone would say, "all he needed was a couple of more laps". My reply would always be, "he had 20".

At least in San Diego, he had 4 more laps and the outcome stayed the same.

BTW, San Diego had two really good main events. I hope we have several more like this.
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1/16/2017 10:55am
I wish Dungey hadn't made the mistake on the last lap. It would have been interesting to see the outcome. The pace both of those guys were pushing was impressive.

With another lap in the 250 class, we also might have had another winner. Hill and Plessinger were quickly closing on McElrath.
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1/16/2017 11:11am
And look how the extra laps worked out for Davalos.
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1/16/2017 11:42am Edited Date/Time 1/16/2017 11:42am
Justin Hill would have probably won the 250 race if there had been one or two more laps. He was on the gas and had the momentum!

In Dungey's case, it would not have mattered.
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1/16/2017 11:47am
Hill was flyyyyin, 1 more and he woulda had it. No disrespect to Shane, he killed it.

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1/16/2017 11:49am
JSmith wrote:
Justin Hill would have probably won the 250 race if there had been one or two more laps. He was on the gas and had the...
Justin Hill would have probably won the 250 race if there had been one or two more laps. He was on the gas and had the momentum!

In Dungey's case, it would not have mattered.
Haha I guess you can predict what have happened huh?
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1/16/2017 11:51am
Pretty sure that's how it looked to just about all of us, no?
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1/16/2017 11:52am Edited Date/Time 1/16/2017 11:52am
GuyB wrote:
I wish Dungey hadn't made the mistake on the last lap. It would have been interesting to see the outcome. The pace both of those guys...
I wish Dungey hadn't made the mistake on the last lap. It would have been interesting to see the outcome. The pace both of those guys were pushing was impressive.

With another lap in the 250 class, we also might have had another winner. Hill and Plessinger were quickly closing on McElrath.
All they needed was 18 plus 1...
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1/16/2017 12:06pm Edited Date/Time 1/16/2017 2:51pm
byke wrote:
Pretty sure that's how it looked to just about all of us, no?
Catching and passing are two totally different things. You cannot accurately predict who would have won or lost with 1 more lap...there are unforeseen variables, do you understand that, yes?
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1/16/2017 12:09pm
I do, but why did you assume he was trying to make an accurate prediction? That's just what it looked like, no more, no less.
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1/16/2017 12:12pm
Maybe if Hill cut the triple than he could make the pass?
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1/16/2017 12:33pm
xr70 wrote:
Maybe if Hill cut the triple than he could make the pass?
Totally agree! He could have raced right around the triple and set himself up better for the corner to make a pass. Just like Shane did!
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1/16/2017 12:45pm
I really hope this weekend wasn't an aberration. All the Pulp guys thought it would make racing more boring and it had the opposite effect.
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1/16/2017 12:49pm Edited Date/Time 1/16/2017 1:06pm
It's hard to tell if the lead guy is slowing down because he now knows what it's going to take to beat you at the finish line OR is the guy in second really about to blow by him with a couple more laps.
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1/16/2017 12:49pm
JSmith wrote:
Justin Hill would have probably won the 250 race if there had been one or two more laps. He was on the gas and had the...
Justin Hill would have probably won the 250 race if there had been one or two more laps. He was on the gas and had the momentum!

In Dungey's case, it would not have mattered.
Hill needs to get a damn start. I'm really curious how these guys on top tier equipment can get such shit starts. Some of the guys don't just get mid pack starts, they start in last place. JMart was 20th after lap one. Did he wreck at some point?

I would have loved to see Dungey and Roczen go another lap or two. I think Dungey would have made it interesting. Dungey was learning Roczen's speed for too long. But it's an improvement over last week and I'll take that.
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1/16/2017 12:53pm Edited Date/Time 1/16/2017 12:59pm
Just examine the trend throughout the race. With Roczen and Dungey, the trend was that they were going to be a second apart until one of them got tired and/or made a mistake. With Hill and Plessinger, the trend was that they were closing in on McElrath. If unsure, check lap times to reveal the numerical trend.
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1/16/2017 12:57pm
Was so bummed that dungey OJd the middle triple in the middle rhythm which caused him not to triple out, he could have salvaged it too maybe but he made another mistake in the last rhythm when he double in sketchy and couldn't triple out. I'm a roczen fan but it was such a bummer not being able to see dungey go for it until the final corner.
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IWreckALot wrote:
Hill needs to get a damn start. I'm really curious how these guys on top tier equipment can get such shit starts. Some of the guys...
Hill needs to get a damn start. I'm really curious how these guys on top tier equipment can get such shit starts. Some of the guys don't just get mid pack starts, they start in last place. JMart was 20th after lap one. Did he wreck at some point?

I would have loved to see Dungey and Roczen go another lap or two. I think Dungey would have made it interesting. Dungey was learning Roczen's speed for too long. But it's an improvement over last week and I'll take that.
Hanny jumped the gun and hit the gate... ruining Martin's start
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1/16/2017 1:05pm
GuyB wrote:
I wish Dungey hadn't made the mistake on the last lap. It would have been interesting to see the outcome. The pace both of those guys...
I wish Dungey hadn't made the mistake on the last lap. It would have been interesting to see the outcome. The pace both of those guys were pushing was impressive.

With another lap in the 250 class, we also might have had another winner. Hill and Plessinger were quickly closing on McElrath.
GuyB, I think the mistake Dungey made was the outcome.
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1/16/2017 1:08pm
Awood wrote:
Was so bummed that dungey OJd the middle triple in the middle rhythm which caused him not to triple out, he could have salvaged it too...
Was so bummed that dungey OJd the middle triple in the middle rhythm which caused him not to triple out, he could have salvaged it too maybe but he made another mistake in the last rhythm when he double in sketchy and couldn't triple out. I'm a roczen fan but it was such a bummer not being able to see dungey go for it until the final corner.
Agreed. It would have been interesting to see how it played out.
1/16/2017 1:12pm
Means nothing in the results but probably helps the confidence so not entirely meaningless.
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1/16/2017 1:13pm
JSmith wrote:
Justin Hill would have probably won the 250 race if there had been one or two more laps. He was on the gas and had the...
Justin Hill would have probably won the 250 race if there had been one or two more laps. He was on the gas and had the momentum!

In Dungey's case, it would not have mattered.
BobPA wrote:
Haha I guess you can predict what have happened huh?
I stole Gallagher's crystal ball. I could see the future.
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1/16/2017 1:50pm
No doubt about it that Dungey was setting up Roczen for a pass, and I agree if it wasnt for the bobble it would of been interesting to see what the outcome would of been.

As for extra laps, Dungey didnt need them, he had a plan but couldnt quite execute it.
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A friend of mine and I both thought that Dungey waited too long before putting on the full pressure. Could it have been because he didn't know when the end of the race was coming until the white flag came out?

It's a lot easier to count laps than minutes when you're racing. I mean, I have trouble remembering if I'm on lap 3 or 4, but I bet the pros don't.
1/16/2017 2:53pm
That's what I saw. It didn't matter if it was 20, 24, or 30 laps - Dungey had a plan to attempt his pass on the last lap to keep Rozcen from having much of a chance to come back. He tried and it didn't work out. But I'm sure he feels better about his speed this week than last week.
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1/16/2017 3:00pm Edited Date/Time 1/16/2017 3:00pm
Zoom wrote:
It used to bother me when someone would say, "all he needed was a couple of more laps". My reply would always be, "he had 20"...
It used to bother me when someone would say, "all he needed was a couple of more laps". My reply would always be, "he had 20".

At least in San Diego, he had 4 more laps and the outcome stayed the same.

BTW, San Diego had two really good main events. I hope we have several more like this.
didn't you hear the news?

Dungey broke Roczen in SD. he's in his head bro
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1/16/2017 3:12pm Edited Date/Time 1/16/2017 3:13pm
Falcon wrote:
A friend of mine and I both thought that Dungey waited too long before putting on the full pressure. Could it have been because he didn't...
A friend of mine and I both thought that Dungey waited too long before putting on the full pressure. Could it have been because he didn't know when the end of the race was coming until the white flag came out?

It's a lot easier to count laps than minutes when you're racing. I mean, I have trouble remembering if I'm on lap 3 or 4, but I bet the pros don't.
Pretty sure time remaining is on the leader board near the finish line. Riders can glance at from a few different spots on the track.

Mechanic's also have it on the pit board.
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Falcon wrote:
A friend of mine and I both thought that Dungey waited too long before putting on the full pressure. Could it have been because he didn't...
A friend of mine and I both thought that Dungey waited too long before putting on the full pressure. Could it have been because he didn't know when the end of the race was coming until the white flag came out?

It's a lot easier to count laps than minutes when you're racing. I mean, I have trouble remembering if I'm on lap 3 or 4, but I bet the pros don't.
Zoom wrote:
Pretty sure time remaining is on the leader board near the finish line. Riders can glance at from a few different spots on the track. Mechanic's...
Pretty sure time remaining is on the leader board near the finish line. Riders can glance at from a few different spots on the track.

Mechanic's also have it on the pit board.
It's round two dudes. Take it easy.
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byke wrote:
And look how the extra laps worked out for Davalos.
Bummer for him, but come on...

I'd much rather have a longer, more eventful race than a shorter, uneventful race.
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kkawboy14 wrote:
It's hard to tell if the lead guy is slowing down because he now knows what it's going to take to beat you at the finish...
It's hard to tell if the lead guy is slowing down because he now knows what it's going to take to beat you at the finish line OR is the guy in second really about to blow by him with a couple more laps.
I know whenever I cross the line it looks like the guy behind is way faster, because I'm milking that gap for all it's worth these days.
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1/16/2017 4:41pm
Zoom wrote:
It used to bother me when someone would say, "all he needed was a couple of more laps". My reply would always be, "he had 20"...
It used to bother me when someone would say, "all he needed was a couple of more laps". My reply would always be, "he had 20".

At least in San Diego, he had 4 more laps and the outcome stayed the same.

BTW, San Diego had two really good main events. I hope we have several more like this.
too true. Dungey was within strike distance the whole race, all he did was pace him the entire race. cant wait this long to make a move

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