Idea for "The Line"

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4/22/2018 6:04 AM

Instead of having subjective ways of gauging block passes why not just make a standard and be done with it.

Anything foot pegs and behind is "clean" and forward of foot pegs needs to be reviewed by officials....

Ex.1 Rider A (block pass / torpedoed/ kamikazed etc) Rider B. Contact was made between Rider B's front wheel and Rider A's swingarm (theoretically Rider A already had the line) pass is clean.

Ex.2 Rider A (block pass / torpedoed/ kamikazed etc) Rider B. Contact was made between Rider B's front wheel and Rider A's front wheel (theoretically this would only happen when one rider is cutting across track) pass is questionable and needs to be reviewed further.

Disclaimer I'm sure there are hundreds of exceptions to these examples. But just an idea to have a concrete way of judging passes instead of emotionally/subjectively doing it.

Also Disclaimer. I saw zero issues with last night's pass and I do not consider running perpendicular to the track going the "wrong direction". smart direction or fastest direction? No, but definitely not wrong.

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4/22/2018 6:06 AM

Gosh it’s part of the sport. That’s racing. They’re racing for money. Everyone’s butt hurt about it. We don’t need another rule for idiots to interpret.

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4/22/2018 6:52 AM

nealb129 wrote:

Instead of having subjective ways of gauging block passes why not just make a standard and be done with it.

Anything foot pegs and behind is "clean" and forward of foot pegs needs to be reviewed by officials....

Ex.1 Rider A (block pass / torpedoed/ kamikazed etc) Rider B. Contact was made between Rider B's front wheel and Rider A's swingarm (theoretically Rider A already had the line) pass is clean.

Ex.2 Rider A (block pass / torpedoed/ kamikazed etc) Rider B. Contact was made between Rider B's front wheel and Rider A's front wheel (theoretically this would only happen when one rider is cutting across track) pass is questionable and needs to be reviewed further.

Disclaimer I'm sure there are hundreds of exceptions to these examples. But just an idea to have a concrete way of judging passes instead of emotionally/subjectively doing it.

Also Disclaimer. I saw zero issues with last night's pass and I do not consider running perpendicular to the track going the "wrong direction". smart direction or fastest direction? No, but definitely not wrong.

How do you "block" pass someone from behind the footpegs of the rider you're trying to pass? That sounds more like hitting someone. Marv was able to get in front of Eli, hence he was able to block him (50% will say the way he got in front wasn't right...)

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4/22/2018 7:05 AM

Yea once you get your wheel in front of another rider you have the line...even if you cut across to get there. Eli knows that and all of you in here know that. Stop being so butthurt over it a legit race move that's been around for a long time. It was a block pass and an aggressive one.

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4/22/2018 7:15 AM

dcg141 wrote:

Yea once you get your wheel in front of another rider you have the line...even if you cut across to get there. Eli knows that and all of you in here know that. Stop being so butthurt over it a legit race move that's been around for a long time. It was a block pass and an aggressive one.

Wait a minute buddy... that almost sounds like racing

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4/22/2018 7:24 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/22/2018 7:49 AM

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4/22/2018 7:37 AM

Last week so many jumped on the "loosing interest" thread and complained about how boring SX is. Here we are a few days later talking about reducing the drama by coming up with rules for passing. unsure

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4/22/2018 9:03 AM

There are two fundamental flaws with supercross: (1.) The tracks are constrained to the square footage available inside a stadium, which, given today's evolved racing engines, means they are better suited to the power of a 125 than a 450, and (2.) The promoters, to prosper, have to attract a large crowd from a small area, which means prioritizing people who are merely looking to witness something thrilling and dangerous over people who actually know about the sport. When you mix these two ingredients together, you end up with what we have now: the OPPOSITE of a good idea - in every way except monetarily. Supercross, if nothing else, is wildly lucrative for those racers who can actually win races. Thus, year in and year out, we've got far, far, too many injuries from racers either pushing over the edge or "crossing the line" and taking out a competitor out to secure a profitable victory. Why did Marvin take Eli out? Because doing it made him a lot of money. Why was Eli pissed? Because it COST him a lot of money. Would either of these guys even have lined up if they could have gotten the winner's check and NOT raced? My guess is - absolutely. These days, once any of these guys is financially set - they bail. Meanwhile, in Europe, they're staying true to the core priorities of a sport they invented more than half a century ago. Antonio Carol is financially set - and then some - and yet there he is, loving every minute of it. Who's getting it right and who's getting it wrong? C'mon - it ain't even close. Take the money out of Supercross, and all you'd have is a strange pile of dirt in a place it doesn't belong.

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4/22/2018 9:19 AM

Objective factors:
Does the passing rider have a wheel on getting passed rider?
Could the passed rider have checked up and avoided contact?
Does the passing rider crash?
Subjective factors:
Is the pass for a meaningful position? (ie, Osborne, last lap for a championship vs Tomac on Webb in a heat)
Is the action retaliation?

Marv’s pass was fine was fine in my book.

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4/22/2018 9:23 AM

There already is a standard for block passing, A good one: you make the pass and stay upright, A bad one: you don’t make the pass and/or stay upright. MM was a good one...just.

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4/22/2018 9:33 AM

First rider to claim real estate in front of either bike wins. Period

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4/22/2018 9:43 AM

Phantom 661 wrote:

Last week so many jumped on the "loosing interest" thread and complained about how boring SX is. Here we are a few days later talking about reducing the drama by coming up with rules for passing. unsure

Baha everyone is “loosing”their got damn minds! tongue

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4/22/2018 10:27 AM

You should never have to make that kind of contact for a block pass. It’s a bitch move to make that much contact. You’re throwing yourself and the other rider into an unnecessarily dangerous situation because of your lack of speed/ability to actually pass someone straight up or just needing to ride them high (which is a real block pass btw).

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